Skaar vs. Thunderstrike

Thunderstrike manages to do a hail mary Mace bash and knocks out Mangog as they both fall into a spatial rift that Thor, grunny and TS had open during their fight against Mangog.

I think TS has the strength potential to knock out Skaar as well as the durability to take hits seeing as he had shrugged off and recovered and even ignored some hits from Mangog when Mangog pounded him into the ground and also attempted to crush him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ktaMrBK0Sp4/TbtQL2zpXeI/AAAAAAAAANQ/AQkHX4E6plA/s640/thunderstrike5a.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rVpoYO72sPY/TbtQMI5ac4I/AAAAAAAAANU/UthnTNMh6Ds/s640/thunderstrike5b.jpg

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Originally posted by Nietzschean
Thunderstrike manages to do a hail mary Mace bash and knocks out Mangog as they both fall into a spatial rift that Thor, grunny and TS had open during their fight against Mangog.

I think TS has the strength potential to knock out Skaar as well as the durability to take hits seeing as he had shrugged off and recovered and even ignored some hits from Mangog when Mangog pounded him into the ground and also attempted to crush him.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ktaMrBK0Sp4/TbtQL2zpXeI/AAAAAAAAANQ/AQkHX4E6plA/s640/thunderstrike5a.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rVpoYO72sPY/TbtQMI5ac4I/AAAAAAAAANU/UthnTNMh6Ds/s640/thunderstrike5b.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-kD_wK4E3C2w/TbtQMoYpIiI/AAAAAAAAANY/Au152kaIwzI/s640/thunderstrike5c.jpg

And you in no way believe that Mangog could have jobbed in Thunderstrike 5? All I can say is that time will tell, and if we see him get rocked by the Wrecker, Mr. Hyde, Tiger Shark or someone else in that power class, then job due to plot is what he did.

Originally posted by Stoic
And you in no way believe that Mangog could have jobbed in Thunderstrike 5? All I can say is that time will tell, and if we see him get rocked by the Wrecker, Mr. Hyde, Tiger Shark or someone else in that power class, then job due to plot is what he did.

Mangog didnt Job at all.. he took hits and kept coming at them all including the avengers..
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_07.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_08.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_09.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_11.jpg

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Mangog didnt Job at all.. he took hits and kept coming at them all including the avengers..

Originally posted by Damborgson
Tbf though he had already been beat on quite a bit. Brought to his knees by Thor, heavily stunned by Iroman...This mangog didnt seem to be anything like Jugens' version who was laughing off the Antiforce. (from outside anyway)

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8443/ts14p.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7491/ts15.jpg

I'm just trying to solidify Thunderstrikes power class in certain kmc'ers minds.
But, in the series we saw Kevin mace Bash At least 2x's b4 Ironman powered up and shut down the city with his uniblast and still Mangog kept coming..

So we know Kevin can take hits from a fresh Mangog..

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_14.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_15.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_16.jpg

@Nietzschean
cheers
Go TS Go! 🙂

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Originally posted by Nietzschean
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8443/ts14p.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7491/ts15.jpg

I'm just trying to solidify Thunderstrikes power class in certain kmc'ers minds.
But, in the series we saw Kevin mace Bash At least 2x's b4 Ironman powered up and shut down the city with his uniblast and still Mangog kept coming..

So we know Kevin can take hits from a fresh Mangog..

http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_14.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_15.jpg
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/tstrike_05_16.jpg

Of course. But I think the both of us can agree that Thor is>>> This new Thunder strike right? I'm of the opinion that Jurgens Mangog is >> Current.

Thor vs Mangog a third time, from Thor vol. 2 #23:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog20v223.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

Thor vs Mangog rematch, from Thor vol. 2 #24:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog24v224.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog25.jpg
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog28v225.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog29.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog30.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog31.jpg [/B][/QUOTE]

To be actually KO'D by that shot at the end isn't by any means something that would have happened to the mangog above. Or to be so easily hurt by Thor. While current Mangog is still a powerhouse, he's not what he used to be. And to say he is would imply a high amount of jobbing from him.

Originally posted by zopzop
@Nietzschean
cheers
Go TS Go! 🙂

Man so that's Eric's son? Eric is dead? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO 🙁

Originally posted by Damborgson
Of course. But I think the both of us can agree that Thor is>>> This new Thunder strike right? I'm of the opinion that Jurgens Mangog is >> Current.

To be actually KO'D by that shot at the end isn't by any means something that would have happened to the mangog above. Or to be so easily hurt by Thor. While current Mangog is still a powerhouse, he's not what he used to be. And to say he is would imply a high amount of jobbing from him.

Of course i think Thor>>Strike. Strike is slightly below Thor in physical power and lacks experience and weapon knowledge.

My whole point is that he is still near equal to Thor's power class and shouldnt be dismissed especially when facing Skaar.

I personally dont see much of a difference between Mangog vs Thor and in this series, b/c Mangog was still shrugging off majority of hits mostly just flinching same as when he fought Thor solo..

The only difference is that this time Mangog wasnt facing one Thor which he temp bfr into a rubble mount but, Two High Class Asgardian being backed by a third mid lvl asgardian and the avengers who kept the heat up on Mangog..

I think if Mangog fought Thor and Thunderstrike by himself he would get worked on with their team work especially if it was Eric.

by the way did i see Mangog lift mjolnir and place it in Thor's belt in the scan wear he hangs Thor up? O_o

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Of course i think Thor>>Strike. Strike is slightly below Thor in physical power and lacks experience and weapon knowledge.

My whole point is that he is still near equal to Thor's power class and shouldnt be dismissed especially when facing Skaar.

I personally dont see much of a difference between Mangog vs Thor and in this series, b/c Mangog was still shrugging off majority of hits mostly just flinching same as when he fought Thor solo..

The only difference is that this time Mangog wasnt facing one Thor which he temp bfr into a rubble mount but, Two High Class Asgardian being backed by a third mid lvl asgardian and the avengers who kept the heat up on Mangog..

I think if Mangog fought Thor and Thunderstrike by himself he would get worked on with their team work especially if it was Eric.

by the way did i see Mangog lift mjolnir and place it in Thor's belt in the scan wear he hangs Thor up? O_o

I need to see more of T-Strike before cementing my opinion, but I think Skaar would take him, if he went at him the way that he went at the Hulk. Perhaps I was hasty when I said that he could take him handily, but I do think he would take him. Time will tell all though.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Rhino is a jobber. Getting beat by him is pretty bad.

He's a big time jobber, but stats wise he "should" be able to hold his own with mid to upper mid tier bricks.

To a point he doesn't because of CIS, but there's PIS involved too..

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Of course i think Thor>>Strike. Strike is slightly below Thor in physical power and lacks experience and weapon knowledge.

My whole point is that he is still near equal to Thor's power class and shouldnt be dismissed especially when facing Skaar.

I personally dont see much of a difference between Mangog vs Thor and in this series, b/c Mangog was still shrugging off majority of hits mostly just flinching same as when he fought Thor solo..

The only difference is that this time Mangog wasnt facing one Thor which he temp bfr into a rubble mount but, Two High Class Asgardian being backed by a third mid lvl asgardian and the avengers who kept the heat up on Mangog..

I think if Mangog fought Thor and Thunderstrike by himself he would get worked on with their team work especially if it was Eric.

by the way did i see Mangog lift mjolnir and place it in Thor's belt in the scan wear he hangs Thor up? O_o

Well here is the fight between Mangog and Thor

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_07.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_08.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_09.jpg
http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g340/Fernando072295/tstrike_05_10.jpg

Being downed by lightning even momentarily isn't a good showing for Mangog. Not when in his earlier fights he took the antiforce from behind and was hardly stunned. He was cut by wolverine and stabbed by that Asgardian. Thats just not right. Or something I would see happening to Jurgens Mangog.

I agree but only with current Mangog. Jurgens Mangog was hitting hard enough to treat Thor like a rag doll.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog20v223.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

^He had Thor dead to rights. Thor wasn't even able to faxe him with anything besides the bolt.

Even if current Mangog wasn't really concentrated on Thor at the moment, being stunned and brought down like that for long enough that Thor and Kevin had a conversation isn't a something that would happen to Jurgens Mangog.

TO ME its fairly obvious that Mangog is no longer at the same level he was. Whether it be jobbing or whatever reason.

Um I actually never noticed that. 😑 Thats....huh. I just dont see how Mangog can be worthy lol.

Originally posted by cdtm
He's a big time jobber, but stats wise he "should" be able to hold his own with mid to upper mid tier bricks.

To a point he doesn't because of CIS, but there's PIS involved too..

Originally posted by Stoic
I need to see more of T-Strike before cementing my opinion, but I think Skaar would take him, if he went at him the way that he went at the Hulk. Perhaps I was hasty when I said that he could take him handily, but I do think he would take him. Time will tell all though.

i actually think Skaar would beat Kevin 7/10 b/c Kevin isnt really a fighter and while he has had scraps in school with bullies, Skaar was on sakaar trying to survive.

Kevin just lacks too much experience and feats to have him winning especially if Skaar using his sword. O_o"

but, I do think Kevin would make skaar work for his wins and not fold like a lawn chair, the kid is too bull headed and brave to let that happen.

Originally posted by Damborgson
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this is how i see it, Thor brings down a ton of lightning and Mangog stands there ranting not b/c he is slowed down by the lightning but b/c he just doesnt care and doesnt notice it.

the Mace Bash arent that bad Kevin is hitting him as hard as he can with all his strength both hands a leap and a prayer putting his weight behind it. I dont think it takes anything away from Mangog who was ignoring their previous blows with one or two hands while trying not to take a direct hit from Mangog.

I mean if Thor has to flight blitz to knock him down and exchange quick dialogue , great for Mangog. we seen in previous fights that a jump kick to the face from Thor did get Mangog's attention and a flight blitz to the gut should also do something.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
I just think u are focusing too much on the art and collateral damage they caused in their old fight and not all fights need to be drawn at that level to show how powerful the opponents are.

this is how i see it, Thor brings down a ton of lightning and Mangog stands there ranting not b/c he is slowed down by the lightning but b/c he just doesnt care and doesnt notice it.

the Mace Bash arent that bad Kevin is hitting him as hard as he can with all his strength both hands a leap and a prayer putting his weight behind it. I dont think it takes anything away from Mangog who was ignoring their previous blows with one or two hands while trying not to take a direct hit from Mangog.

I mean if Thor has to flight blitz to knock him down and exchange quick dialogue , great for Mangog. we seen in previous fights that a jump kick to the face from Thor did get Mangog's attention and a flight blitz to the gut should also do something.

No, I'm basing it off the damage done to Thor and how Mangog resisted the attacks better than he did against Thunderstrike who is fairly weaker than Thor. He KO'd Mangog with one shot. Collateral damage is nice but for the most part not what matters.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog28v225.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog29.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog30.jpg

Thor got in a MINIMUM of 3 all out shots. 1 of which caught Mangog off guard. Even if we factor in the damage he took from the others, it still wouldn't have been enough to constitute a KO. It was jobbing. mangog was cut and stabbed by wolverine and that Asgardian also. Unless there was some special propert to the blade then that shouldn't have happened. And Wolverine cutting him most certainly shouldn't have happened. Thor didn't just knock him over or something. He stunned him for a long period of time. Sure Mangog recovered, but considering what he has taken before and recovered even quicker:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog22.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsMangog23.jpg

^ That would imply jobbing by Mangog again.

I'm not downplaying Thor. A bull rush should have still been enough to Knock him over or something. But Mangog was hurt. He needed a good amount of time to recover and while he was down Thor even stood on his head...(which was awesome)

To me that issue was not so much a showing of Thunderstrikes power as much as it was a ver obvious showing of Mangog jobbing. Not downplaying Thunderstrikes power either but you have to agree....that was not an average for what Mangog has taken.

Originally posted by zopzop
A ha! So there was context to that showing. Thank you Nietzschean!

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/1842610-thunderstrike_5.jpg

Originally posted by Nietzschean
this is how the new ts mini ended

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/1842610-thunderstrike_5.jpg

Originally posted by Damborgson
did they fight again? Or did it just leave in cool cliffhanger image lol?

i dont know to me it wasnt much of a jobbing.. since to me a hail marry all out jumping mace smash is different than the a swinging bat swing.. u seem to be too focused on how u want Mangog represented in the fight rather than the power class he was shown to be at.

I think u be pissed if u saw how Marvel represented Mangog in a what if with eric Masterson and the avengers fighting him if u have issues with him in this story.

I have no problem with Wolverine or Grunny piercing it. it's wolverine shtick and grunny had a sharp magic asgardian sword which is probably adamantium.

has Mangog faced piercing damage in the past?

Originally posted by Nietzschean
i actually think Skaar would beat Kevin 7/10 b/c Kevin isnt really a fighter and while he has had scraps in school with bullies, Skaar was on sakaar trying to survive.

Kevin just lacks too much experience and feats to have him winning especially if Skaar using his sword. O_o"

but, I do think Kevin would make skaar work for his wins and not fold like a lawn chair, the kid is too bull headed and brave to let that happen.

I agree with this. Kevin is no paper weight.