Spiderman vs Iron Fist

Originally posted by red sabre
not in a fight? dude are you now trying to tell me that no one can knock out iron fist because he moves with the punch as you claim?

No, I'm trying to say Pete can't do it reliably with a single blow. Anyone significantly faster or with significantly more striking power is a different story.

and now seriously lets go with your claim that he rolls with the punch and bla bla bla

You know this isn't my claim, right? This is a canonical part of the character. Practically every other fight he's had mentions at some point that an attack would have really hurt him had he not rolled with it. It's literally part of his skill set and he's done it against faster and stronger opponents.

if we already agree that spider man is indeed faster than him that means he WILL tag him fully because he is faster and that means his punch will be faster than danny reaction time

Pete is slightly faster than Danny. That means he reacts slightly faster than Danny reacts; he moves slightly faster than Danny moves. It does NOT follow from these premises that he moves faster than Danny reacts.

This is why I think formal logic should be required in every high school curriculum. Anyway, Pete isn't blitzing Danny, which is what you're describing.

so now danny can tank spider man hits all day long?

No, he can tank the punches you described, the ones that break concrete and whatnot, all day long. Those aren't Pete's best, which is why it was weird that you tried to make it sound impressive.

The rest of this spirals into a rant, you don't seem to see how analogies work, and your logic gets worse. So I'll cut it off here.

Also, I think it's fun that you can entertain yourself. But I think it's revealing that the red sabre who agrees with me is also the better speller.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
No, I'm trying to say Pete can't do it reliably with a single blow. Anyone significantly faster or with significantly more striking power is a different story.

You know this isn't my claim, right? This is a canonical part of the character. Practically every other fight he's had mentions at some point that an attack would have really hurt him had he not rolled with it. It's literally part of his skill set and he's done it against faster and stronger opponents.

Pete is slightly faster than Danny. That means he reacts slightly faster than Danny reacts; he moves slightly faster than Danny moves. It does NOT follow from these premises that he moves faster than Danny reacts.

This is why I think formal logic should be required in every high school curriculum. Anyway, Pete isn't blitzing Danny, which is what you're describing.

No, he can tank the punches you described, the ones that break concrete and whatnot, all day long. Those aren't Pete's best, which is why it was weird that you tried to make it sound impressive.

The rest of this spirals into a rant, you don't seem to see how analogies work, and your logic gets worse. So I'll cut it off here.

pete is fast enough to tag iron fist judging by feats and hits hard enough to knock him out judging by feats, saying spider man will take him punches all day long is just laughable

so once again going by your statements its something iron fist does all the time and basically no one aisde of super dooper pooper heroes cant knock him out? even if we use this as i already pointed out spider man will land a solid hit on him based on spider man being faster than him, also as i stated before its as valid as me presenting spider man avoiding hits with his spider sense and super human speed and then come and claim hey if he done it to characters A and B he is also going to do it to danny which is much more reasonable than vice versa because of the speed advantage + spider sense

he moves faster than danny and reacts faster than danny as they are the same , they are the movement itself in combat, spider man speedblitzing a group of super heroes is both speed feat and reaction time since both of them are his movement speed either if its counter or attack or what ever thats his speed, you can try and break it into as much categories as you would like but the fact remains the same, spider man is superior to iron fist in speed and dont bring me the slightly crap because we got spider man on panel speedblitzing people with super human speed and outmatching them in the speed department, until you post me iron fist doing anything like that spider man is not slightly above iron fist in speed but in a whole different league

pete is faster than iron fist and his shots will be landed sooner and the shots iron fist will try to land on him will be avoided and countered based on spider sense and superior speed feats

i was trying to say that even punches like that are enough for danny, however if we go and look at his more serious punches pete was able to bust iron mans armor with a punch and effect class 100 bricks , his punch will KO danny if danny is lucky if he is unlucky he gets a busted skull

my logic works perfectly combined with feats to back me up, you on the other hand do nothing but use childish remarks instead of proving your points which you cant prove in the first place because they dont exist, so you resurt to all kind of A hole remarks like some child

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Also, I think it's fun that you can entertain yourself. But I think it's revealing that the red sabre who agrees with me is also the better speller.

yeah its great how i showed you that i could represent iron fist much better than you and counter my own argument and then do it again for the other side

while i am not the best speller around here english is not my native language and isnt spoken in my country its a language i had to learn on my own would love to see you do the same with some other language and discuss on the levels i do with english at least

Originally posted by red sabre

he moves faster than danny and reacts faster than danny as they are the same

No, they're not.

Originally posted by red sabre

i was trying to say that even punches like that are enough for danny, however if we go and look at his more serious punches pete was able to bust iron mans armor with a punch and effect class 100 bricks , his punch will KO danny if danny is lucky if he is unlucky he gets a busted skull

Except Iron Fist won't just stand there and take it. You're acting like Spidey is so much faster than Danny, that he won't even be able to avoid, block, or roll with his attacks.

And fyi, Danny damaged War Machines armor without using an amped Iron Fist.

Originally posted by cdtm
Except Iron Fist won't just stand there and take it. You're acting like Spidey is so much faster than Danny, that he won't even be able to avoid, block, or roll with his attacks.

And fyi, Danny damaged War Machines armor without using an amped Iron Fist.

he doesnt have to be much faster than danny in order to at leasy place a clean shot on him, if anything you claim danny is faster than spider man because using your logic if spider man is able to touch the surface of iron fist body and iron fist immediately roll or avoid that punch that means his body movement is faster than that hit spider man was executing which is just false, even if they were at same speed still spider man would be able to place a clean shot at iron fist, your claim isnt backed up by anything aside of your iron fist bias and as i said already spider man got the feats to suggest he can speedblitz danny and i posted them already, saying danny this and that wont change anything, saying danny cant be hit by spider man because you think so again doesnt mean much.

Originally posted by red sabre
i..using your logic if spider man is able to touch the surface of iron fist body and iron fist immediately roll or avoid that punch that means his body movement is faster

No, it doesn't. There's more economy of motion to reacting to a punch than throwing one, obviously.

Originally posted by cdtm
No, it doesn't. There's more economy of motion to reacting to a punch than throwing one, obviously.

my point is valid, if iron fist missed a punch and is able to react to the one thrown at him with his entire body that means he is actually faster

No, it doesn't.

you know i am right 🙂

Afraid not. ^_^

Good defense isn't only about body speed. Even a large, relatively slower man can slip or roll with a punch from a quicker man if he has good training and sharp reflexes.

You don't need to be as fast as a thrown baseball, to hit the ball, do you? Or to avoid being beaned by one?

Originally posted by cdtm
Afraid not. ^_^

Good defense isn't only about body speed. Even a large, relatively slower man can slip or roll with a punch from a quicker man if he has good training and sharp reflexes.

You don't need to be as fast as a thrown baseball, to hit the ball, do you? Or to avoid being beaned by one?

you cant compare a baseball and this thing, a baseball comming at you from a fair distance and you prepare for it watching at the direction its thrown at you and already see the ball in straight line comming towards you from a distance thats already irrelevant, we are talking about 2 guys trading blows one guy is using an opening and slide in a punch which cant hit the other guy because even with the fact he just missed that punch he is able to react in half of the time the punch is thrown at and just roll with it with his whole body movement, that means he is actually faster than the puncher himself which cant be in this case

spider-man is faster than danny. Just look at his speed feat in the gauntlet against alyosha kravinoff with a sniper gun at close range.

No.

why not?

edit: wait my bad, its grim hunt

I don't want to.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't want to.

Found this little gem in my Heroes for Hire reading:

This is why any speed advantage Spidey has won't matter much. Area attacks, and he can take the ground right out from under him.

And this also isn't the first, or only time, Danny's used his Iron Fist to attack someone indirectly.

Spider-man can do the same trick. But frankly I don't see it working on either of them, both are too fast to fall victim to a collapsing floor. And Spider-man can run on walls and has webbing. Not to mention we're talking about a guy who can dodge an explosion after the bomb goes off and at point blanc range.