HOTM Hulk vs 8th Day Juggernaut

Originally posted by Stoic
Wait you must have hit your head, because that wasn't the point of my prior post. Get back to me when you feel capable of exhibiting a semblance of understanding.

As usual all your "points" are nothing except ridicolous reaching for things that clearely are not there. Except maybe in your fantasy world. Have fun.

Originally posted by Stoic
Your opinion runs contrary to the events seen during the WW Hulk saga, when the Hulk unaided by Celestial tech clearly slowed a full powered Juggernaut down far faster than War Hulk did.

No he didn`t. Juggs pushed WW Hulkie Boy back from a standstill and was gaining momentum.

So do you believe that without the tentacle that War would have not been capable of lifting the Juggernaut who weighs far less than a continent and tossing him to Australia?

I asked if it stated whether the tech aided in negating the enchantment, because although I own the book, I am not currently at the address in Montreal where it actually is. I've also not read the story since it was first published. So pfft.

You have to admit that it would be kind of illogical to think that a guy that can shift the weight of a continent would have any trouble at all lifting an 800 pound guy. Maybe it's just me though.

Originally posted by Mshinu
As usual all your "points" are nothing except ridicolous reaching for things that clearely are not there. Except maybe in your fantasy world. Have fun.

No he didn`t. Juggs pushed WW Hulkie Boy back from a standstill and was gaining momentum.

Are you here to criticize my posts or debate your point? If its the prior shut up.

Originally posted by Stoic
So do you believe that without the tentacle that War would have not been capable of lifting the Juggernaut who weighs far less than a continent and tossing him to Australia?

I asked if it stated whether the tech aided in negating the enchantment, because although I own the book, I am not currently at the address in Montreal where it actually is. I've also not read the story since it was first published. So pfft.

You have to admit that it would be kind of illogical to think that a guy that can shift the weight of a continent would have any trouble at all lifting an 800 pound guy. Maybe it's just me though.

Illogical, yes. But its comics. Saying that, didn't Skaar hurl Juggy into space? AFAIK, the enchantment only helps when the Juggernaut is moving - an unstoppable force. Presumably Cytorrak doesn't take such things like gravity into account lol.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you here to criticize my posts or debate your point? If its the prior shut up.

Then try to read the comic you actually own. The glow of celestial tech surrounds the sword before Hulk is about to swing and according to him, behead Juggernaut. The same glow spreads from Hulk`s torso (implants) and reaches his feet at the excact time Juggernaut is stopped. Just look at the scan posted earlier for pete`s sake. How about using a little bit of common sense and reach a reasonable conclusion as to what happened for once?

Instead of.. you know.. HulkHulkHulkHulk!

IMO, barring some exotic properties of a weapon, normal weapons should not be able to hurt Juggy.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Illogical, yes. But its comics. Saying that, didn't Skaar hurl Juggy into space? AFAIK, the enchantment only helps when the Juggernaut is moving - an unstoppable force. Presumably Cytorrak doesn't take such things like gravity into account lol.

Juggernaut was still moving forward when Skaar launched him into space though. irrelevant but true.

War in my opinion was inferior to WW Hulk who was inferior to to the WB Hulk of HOTM. When Thor fought 8th Day Cain he was nearly able to knock him over, but Cain was just able to resist it, which shows that he was capable of feeling pain, and even being stopped. He simply did not meet with enough force to drive that point home.

I'm trying to think of a non PIS moment that a full powered Juggernaut was lifted up. i can't, but I don't believe it to be impossible. By the way Wiki states that Onslaught when defeated was considered to be a full blown Celestial type being. Was it PIS when Onslaught beat the Juggernaut into a quivering mess?

Originally posted by Mshinu
Then try to read the comic you actually own. The glow of celestial tech surrounds the sword before Hulk is about to swing and according to him, behead Juggernaut. The same glow spreads from Hulk`s torso (implants) and reaches his feet at the excact time Juggernaut is stopped. Just look at the scan posted earlier for pete`s sake. How about using a little bit of common sense and reach a reasonable conclusion as to what happened for once?

Instead of.. you know.. HulkHulkHulkHulk!

A green glow, the same green glow that emanated from the Hulk during HOTM if I am not mistaken, and at the end of WW Hulk he was glowing as well. Could this have been gamma/solar energy?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

IMO, barring some exotic properties of a weapon, normal weapons should not be able to hurt Juggy.

In your scan the Hulk says "His Power" he did not say the Celestial power.

Originally posted by Stoic
A green glow, the same green glow that emanated from the Hulk during HOTM if I am not mistaken, and at the end of WW Hulk he was glowing as well. Could this have been gamma/solar energy?

Nah, I don't think so, because it only surrounded the blade.

In your scan the Hulk says "His Power" he did not say the Celestial power.

Originally posted by Stoic
A green glow, the same green glow that emanated from the Hulk during HOTM if I am not mistaken, and at the end of WW Hulk he was glowing as well. Could this have been gamma/solar energy?

Since it was shown spreading from the implants to his feet and later glowing selectively from the sword, that is not likely at all is it? Especially since Apoc commented on the sucess of the celestial tech just after on the same page.

In attidion glow has a distinctive pattern of light green and dark green blobs that puts it apart, not the same that has been shown by Hulkie Boy without tech at any rate.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah, I don't think so, because it only surrounded the blade.

True, he does say that - but no different than when Juggy refers to 'his' power, rather than Cytorrak.

The Celestial implants were just that implants that allowed the Hulk to more efficiently use his power. If not Arch Angel would have been able to reach ridiculous levels of strength that he never could before. What Horseman of Apoc. ever had the strength of the Hulk? Not one.

As far as we can tell the sword was powered by gamma radiation, hence the green glow. I don't think that you are willing to concede so you continue to say no to the most logical explanation. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling that I am getting here. The book doesn't go into how the tech fully worked, and that just means that I could be right, or you could be.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Since it was shown spreading from the implants to his feet and later glowing selectively from the sword, that is not likely at all is it? Especially since Apoc commented on the sucess of the celestial tech just after on the same page.

In attidion glow has a distinctive pattern of light green and dark green blobs that puts it apart, not the same that has been shown by Hulkie Boy without tech at any rate.

You're reaching, and as I stated above, this is simply a matter of opinion. The book never states anything on how the tech worked on any level concrete enough for you to hold such an adamant stance. It is my assumption, that the tech helped the Hulk to focus the power that he already had, and if he had no power than it would not work for him. The appendages were plugged into the Hulk, but in no way did i ever get the impression that they were pumping him full of some magical energy like Bane is pumped full of venom, but just the opposite, he was powering the tech, that cut off his inhibitions to just let loose.

This is going nowhere fast. I have an opinion, and others including you have yours, but the killer here, is that no one can fully prove their points because of the lack of evidence.

Originally posted by Mshinu
As usual all your "points" are nothing except ridicolous reaching for things that clearely are not there. Except maybe in your fantasy world. Have fun.

No he didn`t. Juggs pushed WW Hulkie Boy back from a standstill and was gaining momentum.

No he didn't? WTF! Look at the scans, and say that again.

Originally posted by Stoic
No he didn't? WTF! Look at the scans, and say that again.

Been over this before. They lock up and Juggs starts pushing Hulkie boy back from a standstill. In other words using strength at first since the enchantment is not in effect, then gaining momentum. You can see it from the way the feet move, Juggs moving foreward and Hulkie Boy being pushed back. Also backed up by writer statements that left no dount as to if they were standing still and that Cain overpowered him using strength. It can only look different trough fanboy glasses.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're reaching, and as I stated above, this is simply a matter of opinion. The book never states anything on how the tech worked on any level concrete enough for you to hold such an adamant stance. It is my assumption, that the tech helped the Hulk to focus the power that he already had, and if he had no power than it would not work for him. The appendages were plugged into the Hulk, but in no way did i ever get the impression that they were pumping him full of some magical energy like Bane is pumped full of venom, but just the opposite, he was powering the tech, that cut off his inhibitions to just let loose.

This is going nowhere fast. I have an opinion, and others including you have yours, but the killer here, is that no one can fully prove their points because of the lack of evidence.

Not a matter of opinion at all. An effect from the implants (clearly shown originating from the implant area, spreading from the torso to the feet at the exact moment) allowed Hulkie Boy to stop Juggernaut. You try to muddy the waters with other hulks being "superior" but your BS is still just BS.

War would behead Juggy with an ordinary sword right? 🙂

Hulk wins, at this level he is still too much for Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Been over this before. They lock up and Juggs starts pushing Hulkie boy back from a standstill. In other words using strength at first since the enchantment is not in effect, then gaining momentum. You can see it from the way the feet move, Juggs moving foreward and Hulkie Boy being pushed back. Also backed up by writer statements that left no dount as to if they were standing still and that Cain overpowered him using strength. It can only look different trough fanboy glasses.

Juggernaut pushed War like a plow, and was barely able to push The Hulk during WW Hulk several inches. How can you come to such an erroneous conclusion that War was even remotely operating at the same level that he was during the WW Hulk incident when he all but stopped Cains advance?

This shows that the Celestial tech was simply allowing the Hulk to tap what he already possessed. Apoc didn't remake the Hulk, he just found a way to remove his inhibitions so that his anger could flow freely.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Not a matter of opinion at all. An effect from the implants (clearly shown originating from the implant area, spreading from the torso to the feet at the exact moment) allowed Hulkie Boy to stop Juggernaut. You try to muddy the waters with other hulks being "superior" but your BS is still just BS.

War would behead Juggy with an ordinary sword right? 🙂

You're Nihilist aren't you. Let me make something perfectly clear to you, you are a step away from being reported for bating, and throwing insults to try and prove that you are right, when it is clear that you are a liar. One step.

Some people haven't read the storyline with Hulk as War... The tech allowed Hulk to access the energies within himself and power himself up because he couldn't become stronger with rage at the time. The tech was in essence a substitute for his own powerset.

Originally posted by Stoic
Juggernaut pushed War like a plow, and was barely able to push The Hulk during WW Hulk several inches. How can you come to such an erroneous conclusion that War was even remotely operating at the same level that he was during the WW Hulk incident when he all but stopped Cains advance?

I am starting to doubt you even read the comics you say you own. War was not pushed back from a standstill unlike WW Hulk. I am sure you can remember if you try...

This shows that the Celestial tech was simply allowing the Hulk to tap what he already possessed. Apoc didn't remake the Hulk, he just found a way to remove his inhibitions so that his anger could flow freely.

It does not.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're Nihilist aren't you. Let me make something perfectly clear to you, you are a step away from being reported for bating, and throwing insults to try and prove that you are right, when it is clear that you are a liar. One step.

You are better at throwing insults than me, or at least more experienced. As you just proved.
Now go make some threatening faces at the mirror so you can tell yourself how though you are. 😛

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Some people haven't read the storyline with Hulk as War... The tech allowed Hulk to access the energies within himself and power himself up because he couldn't become stronger with rage at the time. The tech was in essence a substitute for his own powerset.

Exactly. "The power that was within himself". WW Hulk however did not need the aid of such an apparatus, because he was trained to hone his anger, and release it. Do you believe that the tech would have worked the same if it was plugged into Captain America?