HOTM Hulk vs 8th Day Juggernaut

Originally posted by Mshinu

I am starting to doubt you even read the comics you say you own. War was not pushed back from a standstill unlike WW Hulk. I am sure you can remember if you try...

It does not.

You are better at throwing insults than me, or at least more experienced. As you just proved. Punk. [/B]

The Juggernaut had momentum in both cases, as it can be seen that when the Hulk moved aside, Cain took off like a jet. he was simply unable to plow the Hulk through the X-Fields like he did to War, when he slid him through the desert. This shows what to you? This should be easy.

You see you're so afraid to concede the point, that you resort to lies, deceit, and insults, which reminds me of you know who.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Juggernaut had momentum in both cases, as it can be seen that when the Hulk moved aside, Cain took off like a jet. he was simply unable to plow the Hulk through the X-Fields like he did to War, when he slid him through the desert. This shows what to you? This should be easy.

You see you're so afraid to concede the point, that you resort to lies, deceit, and insults, which reminds me of you know who.

Cain did not start with any momentum against WW Hulk. Hulk was just slowing down the acceleration but he was gaining speed. Simple fact. Face it or keep whining as usual.

No momentum which is why he sped off when the Hulk moved aside. Yep you're a liar. I'm done with you move along.

Originally posted by Stoic
No momentum which is why he sped off when the Hulk moved aside. Yep you're a liar. I'm done with you move along.

It is easier to push a resisting object back from a running start. You are able to grasp this simple concept aren`t you?
Again, stop trying to muddy simple facts, it makes you appear less than intelligent.

mo·men·tum: 1. Symbol p Physics A measure of the motion of a body equal to the product of its mass and velocity. Also called linear momentum.
2.
a. Impetus of a physical object in motion.

1. The fact that the Hulks foot was moving backwards slightly during his battle with Cain in WW Hulk, shows us that the Juggernaut had momentum. Even though it was far less than the momentum that he would have if he was running towards the Hulk. This is still supposed to be within his power set to overcome, and continue onward. As we all saw, he could not, at least not until the Hulk decided to move aside, and let Cain run into the lake bed.

2. The Juggernaut was simply unable to plow through the Hulk at that level because the Hulk was able to overpower or match the enchantment. War was unable to stop Cain's advance in as timely a manner as the Hulk did during the WW Hulk saga. Which should leave most people thinking, that WW Hulk was on a higher level than he was when he was briefly known as War.

3. Now take into account that the Hulk wasn't even close to the level that he was on during The HOTM arc, and add to it that he was still capable of growing stronger than he was during HOTM, because he has no upper limit to his strength, and it becomes plausible that even 8th Day Juggernaut would be defeated by a superior power to his own.

4. When Thor fought 8th Day Juggernaut, he momentarily made Juggernaut pause from one of his blows, this shows us that the Juggernaut of 8th Day could indeed be overcome by sufficient power. The Hulk of HOTM would be that sufficient power.

Originally posted by Stoic
mo·men·tum: 1. Symbol p Physics A measure of the motion of a body equal to the product of its mass and velocity. Also called linear momentum.
2.
a. Impetus of a physical object in motion.

1. The fact that the Hulks foot was moving backwards slightly during his battle with Cain in WW Hulk, shows us that the Juggernaut had momentum. Even though it was far less than the momentum that he would have if he was running towards the Hulk. This is still supposed to be within his power set to overcome, and continue onward. As we all saw, he could not, at least not until the Hulk decided to move aside, and let Cain run into the lake bed.

2. The Juggernaut was simply unable to plow through the Hulk at that level because the Hulk was able to overpower or match the enchantment. War was unable to stop Cain's advance in as timely a manner as the Hulk did during the WW Hulk saga. Which should leave most people thinking, that WW Hulk was on a higher level than he was when he was briefly known as War.

3. Now take into account that the Hulk wasn't even close to the level that he was on during The HOTM arc, and add to it that he was still capable of growing stronger than he was during HOTM, because he has no upper limit to his strength, and it becomes plausible that even 8th Day Juggernaut would be defeated by a superior power to his own.

4. When Thor fought 8th Day Juggernaut, he momentarily made Juggernaut pause from one of his blows, this shows us that the Juggernaut of 8th Day could indeed be overcome by sufficient power. The Hulk of HOTM would be that sufficient power.

1 & 2: Juggs pushed WWH from a standstill, War with a running start. This is why Hulkie boy was plowed back in one instance and slowly forced back in another. Ignoring this simple fact in order to come to some bogus conclusion about "sufficient power" of the Hulk that suits you just looks bad. Also Juggs overcame Hulkie boy in a test of sheer strength in the second instance without the unstoppable enchantment.

3: Why would juggs be defeated when Hulkie Boy can`t harm him??

4: Juggs can still feel pain and "giving him pause" is not relly remarkable. Lots of opponents of far lower power levels have done that. It is not in any way an indication that Hulk will be able to physically harm him. At all.

The fact that Juggernaut is not truly and never was truly invincible seems to escape you doesn't it? If he can be hurt, that means that he can be defeated, or even destroyed. He simply has never met a power capable of doing this to him... oh wait he did. Onslaught.

It does not matter how much momentum the Juggernaut has. it is within his power set to overcome any obstacle. Do you need this to be spelled out to you, or should we visit the official hand books to read word for word how his powers work? NOTHING IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO STOP THE JUGGERNAUT, and right there before our eyes, he was brought to a near halt. The very fact that when the Hulk stepped aside we saw Juggernaut hurtle towards the lake bed shows us that he was being over powered.

This again in case you missed it, or did not understand the first time around was not even by the Hulk of HOTM, so if a much weaker Hulk (WW Hulk) could bring Cain to a near halt, imagine what the Hulk of HOTM would do to him? Yeah that's right swat him back and forth like a ping pong, and to add to this, he was still capable of growing stronger.

8th Day could be destroyed by a sufficient power, or Thor's blow would have gone unnoticed, which it was clearly not. Actually Perrikus seemed to resist Thor's hits better than 8th Day Juggernaut did during his battle with Thor.

This crazy idea that you have going on about how the Juggernaut can not be destroyed by anything is incorrect.

Originally posted by Stoic
Exactly. "The power that was within himself". WW Hulk however did not need the aid of such an apparatus, because he was trained to hone his anger, and release it. Do you believe that the tech would have worked the same if it was plugged into Captain America?

I just found some evidence that shoots Mshinu's whole running at War Hulk's story full of holes. He wasn't running across some field toward War, he was right there with him, and he overpowered him by picking him up, and then running with him. This is not something that he was capable of doing to the Hulk during WW Hulk. Showing us what? this one should be easy.

After the whole Hulk vs Juggernaut fight happened different people had different interpretations of what happened the question was posed to gage the guy who wrote it and he gave about 3 different answers.Depending on who was asking.

It was a test of strength, Hulk slowed his momentum, Hulk redirected his momentum.No point in going over it cause if the fans are not sure what happened and the writer is not sure or not gonna stick with a statement its never gonna be resolved.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
It wouldn't have worked on anyone but Hulk, Apocalypse wanted the Hulk's power for himself that is why he tricked him into becoming War. Once he started amping with the tech he defeated Juggernaut very easily.

Oh man I know, and you have my respect for being honest. There are simply too many people that would rather use deceit and lies so that they won't have to concede for being wrong. When this doesn't work out, they then resort to petty name calling.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
After the whole Hulk vs Juggernaut fight happened different people had different interpretations of what happened the question was posed to gage the guy who wrote it and he gave about 3 different answers.Depending on who was asking.

It was a test of strength, Hulk slowed his momentum, Hulk redirected his momentum.No point in going over it cause if the fans are not sure what happened and the writer is not sure or not gonna stick with a statement its never gonna be resolved.

The thing is that he did have momentum. That is all that I have been saying all along. I never said that he stopped, him completely, I said that he brought him to a near halt. Which took War nearly a mile to do, showing us that the Hulk was superior to War during this WW Hulk debacle with the Juggernaut.

So Who wins than???

Originally posted by TheHulk
So Who wins than???

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
After the whole Hulk vs Juggernaut fight happened different people had different interpretations of what happened the question was posed to gage the guy who wrote it and he gave about 3 different answers.Depending on who was asking.

It was a test of strength, Hulk slowed his momentum, Hulk redirected his momentum.No point in going over it cause if the fans are not sure what happened and the writer is not sure or not gonna stick with a statement its never gonna be resolved.

Originally posted by Stoic

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh man I know, and you have my respect for being honest. There are simply too many people that would rather use deceit and lies so that they won't have to concede for being wrong. When this doesn't work out, they then resort to petty name calling.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Blatantly lying about feats is pointless and only serves to misinform, that's how certain characters become overhyped and overrated. A prime example is Juggernaut, there seems to be some type of stigma associated with him on KMC in that he is unbeatable by any means other than through TP when if you read his appearances it's actually very rarely he has been portrayed that way. He has been dropped or close to KO several times in his career.

I'm a firm believer than Juggs is absolutely indestructible with his enchantment still in tact. The tickling God blast and him healing as a skeleton is enough for me.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Been over this before. They lock up and Juggs starts pushing Hulkie boy back from a standstill. In other words using strength at first since the enchantment is not in effect, then gaining momentum. You can see it from the way the feet move, Juggs moving foreward and Hulkie Boy being pushed back. Also backed up by writer statements that left no dount as to if they were standing still and that Cain overpowered him using strength. It can only look different trough fanboy glasses.

Wow...I can not believe this. This is the first time I EVER seen you debate besides saying "Hulkie boy loses". This is a new beginning.

Guys, stay on topic and don't attack other posters. These are comics and there's no reason for hostility.

8th Day kicks Hulks ass