Batman Vs Punisher

Originally posted by iceman24567
I get what he's saying but what evidence shows that his history is drastically change i mean he obviously isn't the same exact person post reboot we can't low ball him this early 😬

meh, i'm not sure it IS low-balling as much as it is looking at this 'new' batman in STRICTLY the light he has been shown in. frankly, i think it's too early to say ANYTHING yet, but, if we use ONLY what the current one has shown, there isn't much to support he could win this fight. we need more. classic bruce hands frank his arse though....

Batman wins, with ease.

And has Batman ever used a force field? Superman was picking up force field belts all the time, in the Byrne era....

Originally posted by cdtm
Batman wins, with ease.

And has Batman ever used a force field? Superman was picking up force field belts all the time, in the Byrne era....

Originally posted by cdtm Batman wins, with ease. And has Batman ever used a force field? Superman was picking up force field belts all the time, in the Byrne era....

what about force fields?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
what about force fields?

Has Batman ever used one, or carried one in his utility belt?

You never hear about him packing one, but those things are easy to get in the DCU, if you have the right connections.. Superman usually got his from Emil Hamilton or Star Labs, and Bruce probably knows guys who can make those up too.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
as usual your simply wrong.

Current Batman wins, with ease.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No matter what you say Batman >>> Punisher

Obviously.

Castles not known for his h2h skills, or for being an elite anything.. The characters basically a glorified B lister that operates on PIS, CIS, and bad writing (Like catching Spidey or Dare Devil off guard with gun fire, which should be impossible no matter how accurate his aim is.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Obviously.

Castles not known for his h2h skills, or for being an elite anything.. The characters basically a glorified B lister that operates on PIS, CIS, and bad writing (Like catching Spidey or Dare Devil off guard with gun fire, which should be impossible no matter how accurate his aim is.)

and his h2h skills are pretty damn good......

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
There is currently not a shred of evidence to suggest that DCnU Batman can beat or stalemate Punisher.

I'm not aware of anything that makes current Batman look inferior. While I won't give Batman the benefit of the doubt that he retained all his skill feats, and therefore, his skills, I haven't seen anything to suggest that he clearly hasn't retained them. It's obvious he isn't starting with a blank slate.

Lest we forget, classic Batman's been beat up before. The Owl character and Nobody both look seriously formidable.

I mean, I haven't seen it yet, but are you forcing people to also prove that Batman retains bullet-proof armor? Sure, we haven't seen him tank a slug yet... but are you really going to take it this far?

Yeah, Talon just fell from a 13 story building (ok, not sure how many, but it was a tallll building) and didn't look seriously injured, plus he has remarkable aim and is one of the best assassin's in comics.

Can't wait to see more of Talon and the Court, BTW. New batman issue comes out this Wednesday.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, Talon just fell from a 13 story building (ok, not sure how many, but it was a tallll building) and didn't look seriously injured, plus he has remarkable aim and is one of the best assassin's in comics.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I think it was far higher than 13 stories. Looked like a skyscraper to me. 100 lbs. of pressure on his throat via a sleeper hold didn't slow him down at all either.

Yep, haven't read it in a while, but it was a tall building. I hope he's not on Venom, though, even though Batman thinks he is. The fight in the air was pretty bad ass, too.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surely this is an overgeneralization? Punisher's good and current Batman may not have many feats, but to say he has no feats that suggest he's capable of taking on Punisher is a bit much. He's got precise fighting skills capable of paralyzing/killing people with a simple touch. He's still got deft sleight of hand to disarm Green Lanterns. He still treats bullets like they're nothing. He's still got a gaggle of Batgadgets.

I'm not aware of anything that makes current Batman look inferior. While I won't give Batman the benefit of the doubt that he retained all his skill feats, and therefore, his skills, I haven't seen anything to suggest that he clearly hasn't retained them. It's obvious he isn't starting with a blank slate.

Lest we forget, classic Batman's been beat up before. The Owl character and Nobody both look seriously formidable.

I mean, I haven't seen it yet, but are you forcing people to also prove that Batman retains bullet-proof armor? Sure, we haven't seen him tank a slug yet... but are you really going to take it this far?

👆

Personally, I'd give Batman the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the status of his affected history, and therefore, feats.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No matter what you say Batman >>> Punisher

Originally posted by JakeTheBank 👆 Personally, I'd give Batman the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the status of his affected history, and therefore, feats.

have you been reading batman? hes been fighting foes more skilled than frank.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
have you been reading batman? hes been fighting foes more skilled than frank.

I've been reading Batman, yes.

More skilled than Frank? Debatable. Certainly borderline superhuman or augmented, though.

And while I personally do feel that Batman's overall sum of his parts is equal to what he was prior to the Flashpoint fueled reboot, I do think Srank makes a valid point in terms of actual on panel evidence. In that case, Frank's wealth of feats support him doing very well against DCnU Batman.

That being said, I do think Frank makes Batman work for his wins, though Bats ultimately does win nearly every time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I've been reading Batman, yes.

More skilled than Frank? Debatable. Certainly borderline superhuman or augmented, though.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, i'm not sure it IS low-balling as much as it is looking at this 'new' batman in STRICTLY the light he has been shown in. frankly, i think it's too early to say ANYTHING yet, but, if we use ONLY what the current one has shown, there isn't much to support he could win this fight. we need more. classic bruce hands frank his arse though....

How much does this reboot really change?

I heard it only takes some time off, but doesn't radically alter things that aren't explicitly retconned (So Year One should still be applicable)