Re: Is metatron more powerful than Michael?
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Who is the most powerful archangel of all? Does anyone know the answer? Or is it conflicted? the Jews think it's Metatron. And christians and Catholics think it's Michael. Is there really a definate answer to this?
According to the bible its Micheal. 🙂
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Michael>Satan. In most traditions I've heard Michael is the one who defeats Satan in battle on Judgment Day.
Pretty much.
Just to refresh your memory, the story goes like this: Once upon a time Lucifer was this high-ranking Angel who didn't think he was getting the props he deserved so he decided he was going to start kicking some ass and try to see if he could run the show himself. He recruited one-third of all the Angels in Heaven to join up with him David Koresh-style and try to overthrow the big man upstairs. So one day God and everybody are chilling out and this ****ing insane-o mother****ing demon busts through the pearly gates ready to kick ****ing asses and making the lesser angels (the fat kids and VS models) piss themselves:Holy shit everybody thinks they're totally ****ed because look at this mother****er. He's a ****ing huge red monster with gleaming talons and spikes covering one-third of his body and glowing eyes and he looks PISSED. But instead of handing over St. Peter's keys like some kind of two-dollar pussy carjacking victim, God takes one look at this thing and is just like, "Mike, show this ****ing douchebag the door". The Archangel Michael calmly nods his head, slowly takes the cigarette out of his mouth and flicks it onto the floor, cracks his knuckles and confidently strides towards Lucifer.
Michael doesn't just whip Lucifer's ass, he completely ****ing humiliates him by slamming him face-first to the turf and then stepping on his head for no reason other than to be a jackass. I mean, Michael has huge-ass wings so he doesn't even need to set foot on the ground for any reason, but he's badass enough to know that when you're jacking the Prince of Darkness' shit up royally for ****ing with your boss, you might as well get your digs in there and add to the humiliation of his defeat. In case you didn't notice, Michael's not even breaking a sweat here either. He's just that hardcore.
But maybe it's not enough for you that Mike is the only living entity to ever defeat the living embodiment of Pure Evil in single combat. Well according to Hebrew, Christian and Muslim myth, he's not only credited with kicking Lucifer's ass but also whipping several other lesser Devils' balls off as well.
For instance when the Demon Belial, the Angel of Darkness and the Patron of Idolatry, flipped out Antichrist-style and proclaimed himself to be the Messiah who do you think had to step in and Layeth the Almighty Smacketh Down? Jesus? Whatever. Belial and his army, the Sons of Darkness, met up with Michael and his Sons of Light and they had an old-school throwdown.
Michael, the patron saint of getting shit done, went off and started kicking asses all over the place, tearing the Demon Belial a new ******* and wrecking the shit of his stupid "Army of Pussies" (Michael's term for them, not mine). He was so insane in the battle that he even beat fifteen fiery demons to death with their own arms.
Originally posted by Deja~vuThe impression I get is that Metatron is God's executive officer. Other than God's, there is no higher perspective of the Big Picture than Metatron's. Mystically speaking, "he" could be the first emanation out of the void in the action of creation.
People call on Michael for protection and Metatron for answers and communication then? Though I've known people that also say that Metatron is above Michael. I don't understand why because Michael is the warrior.
If these angels were men, we'd be pitting physical strength and skill against broad vision and influence. Depends what you want to call more powerful.
I think Metatron would be way higher. The reason is because, Metatron is said to have a "name like his master" because, I understand his name is numerically equivalent to YHWH? (I don't speak Hebrew, this is just what I've heard). True names are important in judeo-christian mysticism, so, on this basis Metatron has a "supreme" name. My understanding is that this is actually the reason he is so valued by Kabbalists.
Another reason why Metatron would win, is because there is a midrash where Egyptian wizards tried to ascend to heaven, and neither Michael or Gabriel could force them out; however, when Metatron appeared he easily was able to do so. Based on this I think Metatron is supreme in combat as well as authority.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Another reason why Metatron would win, is because there is a midrash where Egyptian wizards tried to ascend to heaven, and neither Michael or Gabriel could force them out; however, when Metatron appeared he easily was able to do so. Based on this I think Metatron is supreme in combat as well as authority.
Jobbing like mad. The writer was clearly just trying to give Metatron a push, something to put in his respect thread.
I hope Gaiman rectonned that crap. uhuh
On a biblical basis, Michael is a territorial angel, governing Israel, comparable to similar angels who rule over Greece or Persia. Since Israel is God's elect nation, he is first among such angels, but, compared to an angel like Metatron with a more fundamental role, Michael is more a "mundane" specimen.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
Metatron is more of a behind the curtains enigmatic type of angel. Wasn't he human before? His name was enoch. How could a human turned archangel be superior to a pure archangel like Michael. metatron is more of a scribe. Like God's secretary.
Another reason why I say Metatron is higher, is because in the Kabbalah Metatron is aligned with the highest sephirot, the crown of the tree, this further attests to his supremacy.
Originally posted by King Kandy👆 ... Keter: the first emanation.
Another reason why I say Metatron is higher, is because in the Kabbalah Metatron is aligned with the highest sephirot, the crown of the tree, this further attests to his supremacy.
Originally posted by CosmicSurferAnd as any honest boss will tell you, a good secretary is the one who keeps things organized and running. 😎
metatron is more...Like God's secretary.
The point here is Metratron is barely mentioned in the Talmud or the bible. Which are all canon. Metatron only exists in jewish mystic cults. Like the Kaballah. The book of enoch is non-canonical.
Michael has more feats in canon. While Metatron is an enigmatic figure who works behind closed doors. While Michael takes on a more active combat role in battles against evil. It seems that these two are at least equal but with different powers and roles. But most likely, Michael is the stronger of the two because of his many well known battle feats. He's more well established.
Originally posted by CosmicSurfer
The point here is Metratron is barely mentioned in the Talmud or the bible. Which are all canon. Metatron only exists in jewish mystic cults. Like the Kaballah. The book of enoch is non-canonical.Michael has more feats in canon. While Metatron is an enigmatic figure who works behind closed doors. While Michael takes on a more active combat role in battles against evil. It seems that these two are at least equal but with different powers and roles. But most likely, Michael is the stronger of the two because of his many well known battle feats. He's more well established.
From my experience Metatron seemed like a shaft of light - almost like God if you will. Michael seemed, yes, like a warrior. I had known Michael and other archangels 1st & they seemed so immensely powerful to me. When I met Metatron I was shocked to notice that this one was even more powerful than the others who I had previously thought none were more powerful than.