Originally posted by carver9
It was in a containment field the entire time and it was a race against time. Superman held it while the hole was ripping through the field which allowed Martian to fix it but before this even happened, by the end of it, the black hole.was sucking Superman into it but Martian fixed it just in time.
Ah. You and I are thinking of two completely different and separate occasions where Superman lifted a black hole - Mine was from JLA #77, which was included as part of the Rules of Engagement GN. That now makes THREE occasions of lifting infinity lol.
Thanks for the clarification of what happens, but it still doesn't explain how containment decreases mass, any more than a straitjacket makes me lighter....
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah. Night-crawler's own sonics are what destroyed that "cosmos":
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2850/78460625.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7804/28087023.jpgJust for a reference, the place Night-crawler and Banner are standing in the middle panel is the "cosmos" that was destroyed:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7686/32934390.jpgWeak cosmos. none
All Hal did was form a construct around the earth/Supes. Superman, and Superman alone, exerted the forces required to pull it against the opposing forces Starbreaker was exerting .
Hulk brought up his strength having a play in that Universe being destroyed (in which it did).
Where was it stated on panel.that Hal didn't do anything during that ft?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah. You and I are thinking of two completely different and separate occasions where Superman lifted a black hole - Mine was from JLA #77, which was included as part of the Rules of Engagement GN. That now makes THREE occasions of lifting infinity lol.Thanks for the clarification of what happens, but it still doesn't explain how containment decreases mass, any more than a straitjacket makes me lighter....
Post the scans.of what you are talking about please.
Originally posted by carver9Hal DID do something--he created the construct. All of his focus had to remain on maintaining the integrity of the construct as Superman was pulling it... But even then, it was still cracking.
Where was it stated on panel.that Hal didn't do anything during that ft?
Pulling the actual planet was ALL Superman. Read the comic.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hal DID do something--he created the construct. All of his focus had to remain on maintaining the integrity of the construct as Superman was pulling it... But even then, it was still cracking.Pulling the actual planet was ALL Superman. Read the comic.
So Hal wasn't pulling?
Originally posted by Galan007No no no Galan, that makes the dimension look bigger than it is.
Yeah. Night-crawler's own sonics are what destroyed that "cosmos":
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/2850/78460625.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7804/28087023.jpgJust for a reference, the place Night-crawler and Banner are standing in the middle panel is the "cosmos" that was destroyed:
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/7686/32934390.jpgWeak cosmos. none
http://i39.tinypic.com/10hiscy.jpg
Better view (last panel)
http://i41.tinypic.com/f3z6a8.jpg
Originally posted by carver9Superman pulled. Hal made/maintained the construct.
So Hal wasn't pulling?
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb😂
No no no Galan, that makes the dimension look bigger than it is.http://i39.tinypic.com/10hiscy.jpg
Better view (last panel)
http://i41.tinypic.com/f3z6a8.jpg
That's a cute little place.
Originally posted by carver9
😕 ..wow. That's all I have got to say about that. I'm just tired of arguing about team fts...so tired of it. You can have that ft along with any other ft you want.
Its a black hole.
Black holes are infinite in mass.
Half of infinity is still...well, infinity. Assuming of course, that Stewart was doing 50% of the effort, but judging from the casual way he's talking and0 the thickness of his construct's beam, I'm assuming that he's not. But feel free to argue that he is doing more than 50% of the work, please do.
If it was anything else (lifting the Earth, 150 billion ton mountain etc) and Superman did it with help - well, I will concede, and there is no way I would claim it all 100% as Superman's feat.
Basically, Carver wants you to remove any feat of Superman's that requires flight, has assistance in any way, even if said assistance isn't contributing much less taking away from Superman's strength, get rid of anything that borders on the absurd, even for comics, and accept that Hulk is the strongest one there is.
Originally posted by Galan007
What do you want? A scan in which Hal explicitly tells Superman to pull the earth harder, or something?
I'm well aware of the scene...I want to see something stating that Hal didn't participate in pulling the Earth which would be stupid since he is well capable of pulling things with his contructs. Why wouldn't he help Superman when its within his power to do so? Alan, I usually agree with almost everything you say but this one...oh hell naw.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankTe funny thing is Carver wants to include combat related feats where Hulk has someone else's help in achieving. I do think Hulk is stronger than Superman that's always been obvious but feats have never ever confirmed it and the manner in which carver selects or ignores feats indicates hypocrisy. It's easy to spot out.
Basically, Carver wants you to remove any feat of Superman's that requires flight, has assistance in any way, even if said assistance isn't contributing much less taking away from Superman's strength, get rid of anything that borders on the absurd, even for comics, and accept that Hulk is the strongest one there is.
