Originally posted by Badabing
2007 to 2008.
Oh hey, you're right. Messed there up something. Still, the fact remains that the Sentry haas shown energy projection far beyond planetary busting scale in his fight with Photon, which is considered as his best energy projection feat. That does not apply for his energy projection during World War Hulk.
Originally posted by EnzeruJust because worlds weren't destroyed that doesn't take away from the fact Sentry was going all in. The writer made that abundantly clear.
Oh hey, you're right. Messed there up something. Still, the fact remains that the Sentry haas shown energy projection far beyond planetary busting scale in his fight with Photon, which is considered as his best energy projection feat. That does not apply for his energy projection during World War Hulk.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just because worlds weren't destroyed that doesn't take away from the fact Sentry was going all in. The writer made that abundantly clear.
Not even you can't be that stupid and not realizing that there is a huge difference between Sentry going fully out, not being able to control his power and only busting half of the city and Sentry destroying planets while still holding back in a different instance.
And both can be linked to Sentry's mental issues. In the WW Hulk arc he was clearly unstable, since he was not able to control the amount of power he had during that arc and then we also have his fight with Photon, where no one hints out Sentry's stability, but since he is destroying multiple planets while holding back, it speaks books for his power level.
Not even you can't be that stupid.
Otherwise, tell me your opinion on Sentry's fight with Photon where the destruction is far, far, far above a planetary busting level. I dare you.
Originally posted by EnzeruIt's the same thing like comparing an Odin battle against Seth which is affecting the multiverse or the entire space continuum with his fight against Galactus by claiming Seth and Odin are more powerful since their collateral damage was greater.
Not even you can't be that stupid and not realizing that there is a huge difference between Sentry going fully out, not being able to control his power and only busting half of the city and Sentry destroying planets while still holding back in a different instance.And both can be linked to Sentry's mental issues. In the WW Hulk arc he was clearly unstable, since he was not able to control the amount of power he had during that arc and then we also have his fight with Photon, where no one hints out Sentry's stability, but since he is destroying multiple planets while holding back, it speaks books for his power level.
Not even you can't be that stupid.
Otherwise, tell me your opinion on Sentry's fight with Photon where the destruction is far, far, far above a planetary busting level. I dare you.
Collateral damage isn't indicative of anything and the bulk of his power was getting poured into the WW Hulk anyway.
The writer of WW Hulk made it clear he went all out and it wasn't enough. They burned each other out. Hulk was holding back though and flew past those levels moments later when he got angry.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the same thing like comparing an Odin battle against Seth which is affecting the multiverse or the entire space continuum with his fight against Galactus by claiming Seth and Odin are more powerful since their collateral damage was greater.Collateral damage isn't indicative of anything and the bulk of his power was getting poured into the WW Hulk anyway.
The writer of WW Hulk made it clear he went all out and it wasn't enough. They burned each other out. Hulk was holding back though and flew past those levels moments later when he got angry.
The writer of WW Hulk doesn't matter, since he also made Zom Strange lose to Hulk, made Drawin teleport away from the Hulk, made the Ghost Rider say that Hulk is innocent and drive away, made the Sentry use only strenght and energy projection during the fight and not other advantages, made the Juggernaut run away from the Hulk and so on ...
I want you to tell me your opinion on the Sentry and Photon fight, where Sentry destroys planets while still holding back, and doing more than just fine against an opponent who would annihilate any version of the Hulk. I hope you do acknowledge Photon's superiority over the Hulk.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sentry vs Gladiator-The Strongest One
Originally posted by Enzeru
I'm going to quote myself on this one. Already explained it in previous threads:...
In his fight with World War Hulk, Sentry had the upper hand the entire time. Pay good attention at the scans. At the actual fight and what's happening there:
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http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/...wwh05013014.jpg^ In these few scans you see Sentry bullrushing Hulk through few buildings. Hulk knew he was coming, yet he was not able to dodge. He took it. And keep in mind that at the beginning Hulk got tossed around by the Sentry, while Sentry was staying at the same point, when he got attacked by the attack. In the last scan you see Hulk hitting Sentry in the face and now watch it ...
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^ You see Sentry talking to the Hulk, not attacking him, taking his hits, supporting him with words, while Hulk is all serious ...
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http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/2968/aawwh05018.jpg^ [/i]Sentry smiles, releases power and busts everything around him away. Hulk falls to the ground, Sentry flies above and his energy escalates, causes damage in billions ...[/i]
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^ [/i]Hulk's Warbounds are trying to cut him free from Sentry's energy which subdues Hulk ...[/i]
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^ You see Hulk holding Sentry's energy in his hands, insulting the people around him and jumping up ...
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http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1020/aawwh05022.jpg^ Hulk is all serious again and starts getting attacked by the Sentry, slap after slap, obviously unable to defeat himself, until he grabs the Sentry ...
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http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9018/aawwh05024.jpg^ He starts punching Sentry again, who rather talks then actually fighting back ...
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http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5808/aawwh05027.jpg^ In the end, they brawl it out and revert both back to their human forms ...
With regards to the thread Gladiator has more brute strength but I believe Sentry would beat him in a fight with all powers included.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sentry vs Gladiator-The Strongest One
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Again where in any of this did Sentry physically overpower Hulk which is what you claimed?
Once again: Look at the scans and realize what is happening.
At least try it, but I already saw few of your other posts. You're in the same bracket as Quanchi.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I can't see Sentry physically overpowering Hulk either. What scan was it?
I saw him overpower him with energy and then Hulk match Sentry right away though.
Maybe it's just me being blind or interpreting it wrong, but what I see in the scans is that Hulk sees the Sentry destroying the space ship, flying at him, bullrushing him through few buildings, punching him through few buildings and then taking Hulk's punches to the face, while not bothering to dodge them and these attacks are not making the Sentry back off. Instead he stays at the stop and talks to the Hulk, supports him with words. When he has enough to starts attacking the Hulk, who can't neither block or dodge or whatsoever. Then the Hulk continues punching him, while Sentry talks once again.
You also see Hulk being held under the energy which the Hulk seems to be able to hold in his hands. The Warbounds are there to cut him free. The Hulk jumps up and the fight continues.
To me it didn't look like Hulk was in the control of anything.
Originally posted by EnzeruWell, that's one way of making Sentry seem like he was winning the whole time...
Maybe it's just me being blind or interpreting it wrong, but what I see in the scans is that Hulk sees the Sentry destroying the space ship, flying at him, bullrushing him through few buildings, punching him through few buildings and then taking Hulk's punches to the face, while not bothering to dodge them and these attacks are not making the Sentry back off. Instead he stays at the stop and talks to the Hulk, supports him with words. When he has enough to starts attacking the Hulk, who can't neither block or dodge or whatsoever. Then the Hulk continues punching him, while Sentry talks once again.
You also see Hulk being held under the energy which the Hulk seems to be able to hold in his hands. The Warbounds are there to cut him free. The Hulk jumps up and the fight continues.To me it didn't look like Hulk was in the control of anything.
Anyway, where did Sentry physically overpower Hulk, is what I was asking. Not what happened in the fight.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Anyway, where did Sentry physically overpower Hulk, is what I was asking. Not what happened in the fight.
Making the Hulk fly around with a punch shows a superior striking force than the Hulk managed to do to the Sentry during their encounter.
And the fact still applies that Sentry wanted to get hit during the encounter, while I can't say the same for the Hulk, who was simply thrown left and right, when Sentry was attacking him.
It's basically what we see in the battle. Not even Juggernaut hit him as hard as the Sentry did and that Sentry was depowered, that's as clear as it could be. To deny it is simply being stupid and ignoring facts.
If you really want break the fight down Sentry blitzes an unprepared Hulk who basically tells Sentry to go away, he then punches Hulk again to show he is serious and it's then Hulk starts to see Sentry means business. Sentry tries to blitz again but Hulk is ready and he flies into a punch, Hulk starts beating him down until Sentry starts going all out using his EP. Hulk's overwhelmed at first but recovers and the two basically trade punches until Sentry/Bob falls. Nowhere in the fight did Sentry physically overpower Hulk or even look overwhelmingly superior.
Sentry was only able to send Hulk flying when he wasn't expecting the punches, when he was ready though Hulk started winning the physical exchange.
Originally posted by EnzeruHitting around Hulk means he physically overpowered him? Hulk is a 1000 pound being with no ability to fly. Sentry while light, braced himself while having the ability to fly.
Making the Hulk fly around with a punch shows a superior striking force than the Hulk managed to do to the Sentry during their encounter.
And the fact still applies that Sentry wanted to get hit during the encounter, while I can't say the same for the Hulk, who was simply thrown left and right, when Sentry was attacking him.It's basically what we see in the battle. Not even Juggernaut hit him as hard as the Sentry did and that Sentry was depowered, that's as clear as it could be. To deny it is simply being stupid and ignoring facts.
He wanted to get hit so it would get him off enough to unleash his full power. It'd be the same as Bruce getting hit just so he could turn into Hulk before he could control it.
Sentry was depowered? Why, because he wasn't destroying Earth?
Also, Hulk was vastly weaker anyway. In a couple panels we saw his power raise quite a bit. And then just a couple months ago, we found out that even then he was holding back.
Was Sentry ever said to be depowered? Or are we just making shit up?
Originally posted by h1a8
Sentry did break Terrax's axe like a thin toothpick. Terrax's axe is durable enough to withstand forces capable of shattering worlds with ease. IMO, I don't see Glads breaking the axe, at least not as easily.
This feat should make them more even in the strength dept, if not then Sentry superior.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
If you really want break the fight down Sentry blitzes an unprepared Hulk who basically tells Sentry to go away, he then punches Hulk again to show he is serious and it's then Hulk starts to see Sentry means business.
Unprepared? Sentry came flying through Hulk's space ship and Hulk saw him coming, yet he got bullrushed through few buildings. The times of the stupid Hulk are over. He saw him cominc, in the end he was probably just not able to dodge him and the same applies for the Warbounds, who were around Hulk.
He also didn't do much to avoid Sentry's punch to the face.
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The fight later on wasn't all too throwy, but who do you see being more affected by the attacks?
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Sentry or Hulk?
I clearly See Hulk being overwhelmed more by the attacks.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Also, the Hulk smashed Sentry's face, while Sentry managed to knock him around, what, only once when Hulk was semi prepared... superior striking force.
Hulk too was green-bleeding like a pig during that fight, but he had his healing factors, while Sentry seems to have problems with healing instantly, when he is in an unstable mode.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
He wanted to get hit so it would get him off enough to unleash his full power. It'd be the same as Bruce getting hit just so he could turn into Hulk before he could control it.
That's utter non-sense, seriously.
Sentry was a hero who was saving thousands of people on a daily basis and he also said that he was afraid that he could lose the control over his powers if he faced the Hulk.
So what is actually more believable? That the Sentry took the punches to weaken himself for the worst case scenario, so that he can be taken down, if he loses the control over his powers and starts destroying the city, causing damage in billions and taking away homes of the citizens, or ... that he wanted to ... amp himself up through the punches? What? Sentry does not need beating to unlease his wrath -___-"
You know exactly what his reason was. He did it for the sake of everyone else.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Sentry was depowered? Why, because he wasn't destroying Earth?
Was Sentry ever said to be depowered? Or are we just making shit up?
CAPTAIN NIVEAU ... WE'RE SINKING !!!
I don't like your tone. If I find out that you're on Quanchi's level, then I can deal with you like I deal with him. Until then don't treat me like an idiot.
I already explained it more then often. Sentry is not Superman. Sentry is not the Silver Surfer. Sentry is not Thor. Sentry is not Spider-Man. Sentry is not Captain America.
Sentry is Sentry and Sentry is an ordinary man, who has a phobia which handicaps him from time to time. He is an ordinary man with problems and more power than anyone of the named guys.
It's a part of the character that he becomes weaker if he has a bad day and if he is unstable, his power level sinks. With his power level low he destroys half of a city, while cutting loose. With a clear mind and his power level high he destroys planets while holding back.
It's all about his mental stability and it was shown that he was in a weak mental state during the World War arc. The writer used his mental instability to depower him for the story, otherwise WW Hulk would have been history after the first seconds.
As I already mentioned it above, Sentry is a hero who saves thousands of people on a daily basis, so him staying for days in his house, while the Hulk is on a rampage and then when he finally leaves his house and faces the Hulk, the loses the control over his powers and starts destroying everything around him ... so yeah, that is pretty unstable and while being pretty unstable, he is pretty weak.
And even while being pretty weak, he managed to do something what Thor never managed to do. He brawled it out with one of the most powerful Hulk versions so far and that without a magical hammer.
Additionally to that, you seem to be proud of the fact that the Hulk was holding back. Do you think that World Breaker Hulk was holding back, when he faced Red She-Hulk? They destroyed a planet by colliding together and now everyone treats that version of the Hulk as the most powerful version so far.
Nice, but it's still a fact that the Sentry faced someone who is vastly more powerful than any version of the Hulk and that they both were destroying multiple planets while holding back.
Sentry > Hulk.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Unprepared? Sentry came flying through Hulk's space ship and Hulk saw him coming, yet he got bullrushed through few buildings. The times of the stupid Hulk are over. He saw him cominc, in the end he was probably just not able to dodge him and the same applies for the Warbounds, who were around Hulk.He also didn't do much to avoid Sentry's punch to the face.
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http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3996/aawwh05010.jpgThe fight later on wasn't all too throwy, but who do you see being more affected by the attacks?
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http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/1020/aawwh05022.jpgSentry or Hulk?
I clearly See Hulk being overwhelmed more by the attacks.
If anyone looked physically superior in this fight it was Hulk.
Originally posted by EnzeruHulk was bleeding from the energy, not quite so bad from the punches.
Hulk too was green-bleeding like a pig during that fight, but he had his healing factors, while Sentry seems to have problems with healing instantly, when he is in an unstable mode.
Originally posted by EnzeruIt makes sense that Sentry wanted to weaken himself when he's facing a threat that must be taken down? Seriously?
That's utter non-sense, seriously.
Sentry was a hero who was saving thousands of people on a daily basis and he also said that he was afraid that he could lose the control over his powers if he faced the Hulk.So what is actually more believable? That the Sentry took the punches to weaken himself for the worst case scenario, so that he can be taken down, if he loses the control over his powers and starts destroying the city, causing damage in billions and taking away homes of the citizens, or ... that he wanted to ... amp himself up through the punches? What? Sentry does not need beating to unlease his wrath -___-"
You know exactly what his reason was. He did it for the sake of everyone else.
He did 'lose control' (talking strictly about what the bystanders think, because Sentry was as cool as a cucumber there), and he did cause billions in property damage. He didn't care about being taken down at the time. The guy was more than happy at releasing his "full powers".
He didn't do it for the sake of everyone else (besides the trying to take down Hulk), he did it so it would piss him off enough to release everything. Unless you think 3-4 punches weakens Sentry, because well then... that's pathetic. Nevermind the fact that it would be weakening Sentry so he could unleash his full power a page later...
Originally posted by EnzeruQuanchi levels, heh. Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you. Also, "deal with me"? Oh no, please don't insult me, I can't handle that.
CAPTAIN NIVEAU ... WE'RE SINKING !!!I don't like your tone. If I find out that you're on Quanchi's level, then I can deal with you like I deal with him. Until then don't treat me like an idiot.
I already explained it more then often. Sentry is not Superman. Sentry is not the Silver Surfer. Sentry is not Thor. Sentry is not Spider-Man. Sentry is not Captain America.
Sentry is Sentry and Sentry is an ordinary man, who has a phobia which handicaps him from time to time. He is an ordinary man with problems and more power than anyone of the named guys.
It's a part of the character that he becomes weaker if he has a bad day and if he is unstable, his power level sinks. With his power level low he destroys half of a city, while cutting loose. With a clear mind and his power level high he destroys planets while holding back.It's all about his mental stability and it was shown that he was in a weak mental state during the World War arc. The writer used his mental instability to depower him for the story, otherwise WW Hulk would have been history after the first seconds.
As I already mentioned it above, Sentry is a hero who saves thousands of people on a daily basis, so him staying for days in his house, while the Hulk is on a rampage and then when he finally leaves his house and faces the Hulk, the loses the control over his powers and starts destroying everything around him ... so yeah, that is pretty unstable and while being pretty unstable, he is pretty weak.And even while being pretty weak, he managed to do something what Thor never managed to do. He brawled it out with one of the most powerful Hulk versions so far and that without a magical hammer.
Additionally to that, you seem to be proud of the fact that the Hulk was holding back. Do you think that World Breaker Hulk was holding back, when he faced Red She-Hulk? They destroyed a planet by colliding together and now everyone treats that version of the Hulk as the most powerful version so far.
Nice, but it's still a fact that the Sentry faced someone who is vastly more powerful than any version of the Hulk and that they both were destroying multiple planets while holding back.Sentry > Hulk.
So, when Sentry unleashed his full power, that's actually him getting weaker because his minds not right?
Is. This. A. Joke.
Sentry thought he was playing God in the Hulk fight. He thought he was doing the right thing. That's why he unleashed all that power. He wasn't unstable. He was perfectly fine during that fight. One of the only times. He just didn't care about damage like he hasn't in many fights. He was scared of cutting loose, and when he did cut loose, he loved it.
Actually, I'd like to see a scan where it says Sentry gets weaker depending on him being unstable. It must be pretty common knowledge, so I'm sure this isn't much to ask for.
Thor brawled it out with basically WW Hulk with an Asgardian hammer... so...
Um no. It says right in the story that Hulk was holding back in WWH, and when he fought Arm. And then it says he's finally not holding back in his fight with She Hulk. Open and shut case that is.
In Sentry's fight with Photon they were destroying planets while Captain America was 50 feet away from them? Not to mention they didn't actually show them destroying planets... but it did say they put out enough to shred entire worlds, not that they were.
Plus, when they almost killed Cap with falling rocks, Sentry was the one that didn't care about Cap, and Photon BFR'ed Cap so he didn't kill him. What a stable mindset Sentry was in, amirite? The guy was putting out all this energy while Cap was running around dodging it. What a stable guy.
Then you have Sentry's fight with Void where no collateral damage was caused (let alone whole worlds getting shredded), and you realize that the Photon fight was a one off feat, not the normal. Unless you think that Sentry always holds back more than the Photon fight.
Actually, since you talked earlier about Sentry wanting to be weaker so he could be taken down, get this...
Sentry and Photon's fight in your words shred entire worlds while holding back. This is what you think.
So, Sentry goes from shredding worlds, and him and Photon locking up makes them visible in Iron Man's armor (which oddly, is no bigger than a planet but I digress) to being punched back to Earth and being stunned briefly. Sentry while kneeling over says to Photon that he's not going to hold back anymore. And here's all your logic in work mind you, but if Sentry holding back is shredding worlds, then what is Sentry not holding back going to do to Earth with billions and billions of people who in your words he saves everyday?
Sentry was in your logic going to destroy Earth, and you think this is a stable Sentry? Why did you think Sentry wasn't stable in WWH? Oh ya, this is why:
"As I already mentioned it above, Sentry is a hero who saves thousands of people on a daily basis, so him staying for days in his house, while the Hulk is on a rampage and then when he finally leaves his house and faces the Hulk, the loses the control over his powers and starts destroying everything around him ... so yeah, that is pretty unstable and while being pretty unstable, he is pretty weak."
Sentry causing damage in a city = not stable
Sentry about to destroy the Earth (potentially) = stable?
You can't make this up. All of this is using your logic.
So I guess the whole stability argument is out the window... ?
If you'll allow me however, I can give an explanation of Sentry's collateral damage.
Heroes/Villians will never be allowed to destroy anything significant on Earth. It doesn't mean that they suddenly get weaker just because their collateral damage is down. Sentry holding back is not more powerful than Sentry unleashing a shit load of power, even though he doesn't cause as much damage. He did great brawling against the Hulk in the Hulk fight, and that shouldn't diminish him. It's just that the Hulk (and believe me I don't like the Hulk) is completely stupid powerwise in the end of his series. The guy was shredding top tier durability people with non direct punches, and a bunch of pretty durable class 100 fodder. With the way Sentry fights, that's not a good opponent to fight. Even WWH would have gotten broken in half against the Hulk in this thread (which makes no sense, but alas, Pak loves giving characters multiple powerups).
Originally posted by EnzeruThe writer of the WW Hulk does matter since we are addressing that fight. What doesn't matter is your opinion his opinion does matter considering stuff he wrote.
The writer of WW Hulk doesn't matter, since he also made Zom Strange lose to Hulk, made Drawin teleport away from the Hulk, made the Ghost Rider say that Hulk is innocent and drive away, made the Sentry use only strenght and energy projection during the fight and not other advantages, made the Juggernaut run away from the Hulk and so on ...I want you to tell me your opinion on the Sentry and Photon fight, where Sentry destroys planets while still holding back, and doing more than just fine against an opponent who would annihilate any version of the Hulk. I hope you do acknowledge Photon's superiority over the Hulk.
Gladiator has destroyed planets to but when he comes up against the big boys that doesn't mean a heckuva lot.
WW Hulk was holding back and still Bruce came out on top. Throw in Hulk at his best and Sentry gets worked over something fierce. The Sentry would need the Void because without him calling the shots he isn't winning.
