Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympuslol..you are really weird sometimes
Completely irrelevant and also a bit desperate tbh.For the record, in the handbook your referring to, Bill/Hercules were listed at immeasurable while Thor/Juggernaut were at 95 tons. The mistake was eventually corrected of course but handbooks were never very reliable to begin with in terms of power ratings.
How about you stop complaining and make an actual argument?
Not that it would matter, I'd wager I know more about Hulk than you do.
Originally posted by Stoic👆 Post Of The Year
Everyone knows that the Hulk cope with a devastating amount of punishment, and has been shown to be very durable, energy resistant, heat resistant, cold resistant, and psi resistant. So is Mangog, but there are a couple of things that Mangog can not do as far as I know.1. He lack a healing factor that can bring him back from being just a stomach, and bones to healed in less than 5 minutes.
2. he lacks dynamic strength augmentation like the Hulk has.
Anyone that has read the Hulk over the last 4 years has been witness to the fact that he no longer takes minutes hours or days to go from base to planet destroying might. His power set says that he has no limits to the amount of strength that he can attain. Mangog does, as does Thor. What we witnessed (well at least those of us who read Heart of the Monster) the Hulk do in the Dark Dimension was not the Hulk's full strength capability, and according to the characters bio, he could have trumped that level by an exponential amount. This is not me being a fan boy, but taking what has been canonically written about the Hulk.
The Hulk has been shown to become more durable as he grows in power. For instance; when the Bi-Beast, Wendigo, and Arm'Cheddon assaulted him, he didn't even wince in pain, actually to the contrary, their combined assaults did not even register. These are guys that would not just make classic Thor wince in pain, but launch him though whatever architecture, or real estate present on site.
This is not meant to be a low blow, just an example. There was a time, that the Avengers Mansion came under siege by the Masters of Evil. Hercules was put into a comatose condition, by taking a huge beating. Thor enter the scene and mops them up, but before this happens, he is hit by Mr' Hyde, who runs into him, and visibly hurts Thor. Hyde passed out from running into him, but it still hurt Thor.
Thor would simply not be able to shrug off the combined assault that did not even register to the Hulk. These are confirmed class 100's, and they weren't even able to budge the Hulk. He was more concerned with Betty.
Rage says that the Hulk would not be capable of tanking the G-Blast, but I say that it depends on how strong the Hulk is at that point. You simply can't ignore what happened on panel in terms of the Hulk's strength amping his durability.
Originally posted by BadabingI second the sig suggestion. Rage needs to prove he's Thor's number one fan to me and this is a start in the right direction.
The way Hulk's been written lately I don't see Thor winning a mojority. If Thot's written proper when returns then that may change.I think Rage should use this as a sig.
Originally posted by Stoic
Anyone that has read the Hulk over the last 4 years has been witness to the fact that he no longer takes minutes hours or days to go from base to planet destroying might. His power set says that he has no limits to the amount of strength that he can attain. Mangog does, as does Thor. What we witnessed (well at least those of us who read Heart of the Monster) the Hulk do in the Dark Dimension was not the Hulk's full strength capability, and according to the characters bio, he could have trumped that level by an exponential amount. This is not me being a fan boy, but taking what has been canonically written about the Hulk.
By an exponential amount? Even with that idiotic holding back reveal, his Hulk was cutting loose as much as he could.
Based on the traumatic events/power ups etc. that led to Hulk reaching this level, arguing that he can potentially go much higher is pretty much a useless line of thinking. Might as well claim that he'd beat the Living Tribunal eventually, I mean, he theoretically has no ceiling right? Always hated this type of reasoning, the Hulk has enough feats to draw on without having to resort to this.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk has been shown to become more durable as he grows in power. For instance; when the Bi-Beast, Wendigo, and Arm'Cheddon assaulted him, he didn't even wince in pain, actually to the contrary, their combined assaults did not even register. These are guys that would not just make classic Thor wince in pain, but launch him though whatever architecture, or real estate present on site.This is not meant to be a low blow, just an example. There was a time, that the Avengers Mansion came under siege by the Masters of Evil. Hercules was put into a comatose condition, by taking a huge beating. Thor enter the scene and mops them up, but before this happens, he is hit by Mr' Hyde, who runs into him, and visibly hurts Thor. Hyde passed out from running into him, but it still hurt Thor.
Lawlz.
For the record, Thor was in the brittle bone phase I believe, which is why he gritted his teeth in discomfort.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor would simply not be able to shrug off the combined assault that did not even register to the Hulk. These are confirmed class 100's, and they weren't even able to budge the Hulk. He was more concerned with Betty.
If you want to compare durability feats, Thor can match that.
Originally posted by Stoic
Rage says that the Hulk would not be capable of tanking the G-Blast, but I say that it depends on how strong the Hulk is at that point. You simply can't ignore what happened on panel in terms of the Hulk's strength amping his durability.
Hulk has never shown the level of durability needed to tank the God Blast.
[QUOTE=13660083]Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
By an exponential amount? Even with that idiotic holding back reveal, his Hulk was cutting loose as much as he could.
Based on the traumatic events/power ups etc. that led to Hulk reaching this level, arguing that he can potentially go much higher is pretty much a useless line of thinking. Might as well claim that he'd beat the Living Tribunal eventually, I mean, he theoretically has no ceiling right? Always hated this type of reasoning, the Hulk has enough feats to draw on without having to resort to this.
The LT can manipulate reality, there is a difference. Thor would be battling the Hulk physically, not on an abstract level. You can choose to ignore his power set, but it doesn't negate it.
Lawlz.
For the record, Thor was in the brittle bone phase I believe, which is why he gritted his teeth in discomfort.
That's right, I forgot about the curse that he was under. Sorry. However, Thor did fight Bi-Beast back in the day, and he did feel his hits. Thor won of course, but it's not the same. The Hulk beat him at 1000x his base, and ignored him and his comrades combined assaults.
If you want to compare durability feats, Thor can match that. Hulk has never shown the level of durability needed to tank the God Blast.
This is not to say that he could not become durable enough to not only survive the hit, but continue to fight, and yes heal from the assault, all the while increasing in power. I'm not sure if you recall or read that the Hulk's durability increased with his strength, but Wolverine said that he had noticed that the Hulk was harder to cut. This was on panel, as well as him no selling Wendigo, Bi-Beast, and Arm'Cheddon's combined assaults.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Riiiight.Let me try again.
Has Hulk even been angry enough to completely tank something as powerful or potent as the Godblast on panel?
The power that was being thrown around in the Dark Dimension may have been on the scale. The Hulk was ready to keep going even after that, so it's only a matter of opinion. I won't low ball either, I'm just saying that after seeing what happened during HOTM, that I would not be surprised, if it put him on his back, only to watch as his got back up from it.
Let's not make this completely one sided though. The Hulk would get in his hits. And the hits that he was dishing out in the Dark Dimension would be noticed by Thor. Come on be reasonable.
Originally posted by Stoic
The power that was being thrown around in the Dark Dimension may have been on the scale. The Hulk was ready to keep going even after that, so it's only a matter of opinion. I won't low ball either, I'm just saying that after seeing what happened during HOTM, that I would not be surprised, if it put him on his back, only to watch as his got back up from it.Let's not make this completely one sided though. The Hulk would get in his hits. And the hits that he was dishing out in the Dark Dimension would be noticed by Thor. Come on be reasonable.
That's speculation at best, but hey, that's better than "he'll get angry enough!"
I'm not making this one sided and I'm being plenty reasonable. Hulk is arguably the best brick in comics as not many people can fight him one on one in H2H and walk away the winner. The only problem with that is that under this thread's specifications, someone like Thor simply has way way too many options of dictating how the fight goes due to his versatility. If Thor doesn't want to engage Hulk up close and personal (and with CIS off and him using everything at his disposal to win, that's pretty likely) he won't.
That's just the reality of the situation.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's speculation at best, but hey, that's better than "he'll get angry enough!"I'm not making this one sided and I'm being plenty reasonable. Hulk is arguably the best brick in comics as not many people can fight him one on one in H2H and walk away the winner. The only problem with that is that under this thread's specifications, someone like Thor simply has way way too many options of dictating how the fight goes due to his versatility. If Thor doesn't want to engage Hulk up close and personal (and with CIS off and him using everything at his disposal to win, that's pretty likely) he won't.
That's just the reality of the situation.
It's never that simple Jake. The Hulk is not just a one trick pony. We saw this much when the Hulk at certain levels bleeds like a human gamma bomb. Thor would have to contend with not only the Hulks physical attributes which are great on any scale, but him bleeding solar energy.
I won't say who wins this, but there are certain variable that need to be taken into account. Mjolnir for instance could become dislodged from Thor's grip as has happened to him in the past, and could be tackled to the ground, and forced to go into a slug it out with the Hulk.
There are too many variables to say right off that one of these guys are going to dominate the other 10/10. Thor could win, but the Hulk could win as well. Yep Thor can generate hurricane force winds, but the Hulk is also capable of displacing land mass with just the power that bled off of him as well.
Here's a question. Rulk caught Mjolnir right in the face, and wasn't put down. The Hulk was far more powerful than Rulk was at that time during HOTM. How much damage do you think a full on hammer blow would do to the Hulk, when in on a weaker level, he beat the same Rulk, that took that heat from Thor? Like I said. Too many variables, for this to be simple.