Originally posted by The Sorrow
CIS off favours Thor but I still don't see him winning here. Thor isn't avoiding this fight unscathed and one clean hit is all it would take from Hulk to turn the fight on it's head whereas Thor would need to hit Hulk with some of his absolute best to stand a chance.
This.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
....how?Unless you think that Hulk will indefinitely tank everything Thor throws at him? Which is...unlikely to say the least.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk can KO Thor this is fact, imo Thor doesn't have the means to KO Hulk with raw power at this level. I'm not saying Thor can't harm him but anything that doesn't take Hulk out will make him stronger and tougher to beat.
Thor's damaged and messed up people far more powerful than Hulk, so you'd be wrong. Imo, of course.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor tried his best against Nul to no avail and actually fatigued himself trying to take him out of the fight. Can't see him beating WBH.
Thor didn't use anywhere close to half the offensive powers, versatility and capabilities a CIS off Classic Thor is capable of doing, so, non-point there. It doesn't help that you - somehow - think Nul is weaker than WWH.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor's damaged and messed up people far more powerful than Hulk, so you'd be wrong. Imo, of course.
Draining is a possibility but it's impossible to say how much success Thor will enjoy from this.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Of course seeing as though heroes such as Superman, Hulk, Thor etc have all fought beings far greater than their respective peers but this isn't a story-driven battle he won't be putting Mjolnir inside Hulk's mouth, using his belt of strength or whipping up a godblast while the Hulk stands and waits for it.
As I said I don't doubt Thor can hurt Hulk but KOing him at World breaker levels is something I just don't see Thor doing.Draining is a possibility but it's impossible to say how much success Thor will enjoy from this.
He doesn't need to force feed Hulk Mjolnir, summon his belt of strength or Godblast Hulk to beat him, though. And this idea that Hulk has to let Thor do his thing in order to be effected by him is pretty silly, primarily because due to Thor's mobility and speed, it's far more likely that Thor dictates the terms of this fight more so than Hulk does. You might have a point if this devolves into a melee fight, but with CIS off and Thor using everything at his disposal, that's not going to happen.
Thor absorbed galactic level energy before, so I'd say if he went that route, the odds are more in his favor than against it.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He doesn't need to force feed Hulk Mjolnir, summon his belt of strength or Godblast Hulk to beat him, though. And this idea that Hulk has to let Thor do his thing in order to be effected by him is pretty silly, primarily because due to Thor's mobility and speed, it's far more likely that Thor dictates the terms of this fight more so than Hulk does. You might have a point if this devolves into a melee fight, but with CIS off and Thor using everything at his disposal, that's not going to happen.Thor absorbed galactic level energy before, so I'd say if he went that route, the odds are more in his favor than against it.
Siphoning the Hulk's power is something that simply will not stop him, or weaken him these days, it may stunt his strength growth a little but the Hulk draws from an infinite well of gamma rays. Which are all around us and throughout the energy spectrum.
We all know that Thor isn't going to fight the perfect fight, while Hulk sits there making all of the mistakes. CIS or no CIS. This simply goes against everything written in comics. The Godblast is not a definite win, and saying that it is just means that the character is being underestimated.
It's kind of like me saying that one super amped punch from the Hulk while not holding back would put Thor out. It may, but there is a huge chance based on Thor's past durability feats that says that he could weather several of them.
Thor isn't going to just walk in there, decide to play tag your it, and walk away the victor. People tend to forget that the Hulk isn't a dumb ass character. He is very inventive in the way that he takes the fight to his opponents.
The Hulk can use environment attacks as a means of closing the distance, kind of like playing chess. It's like I said in my earlier posts, there is simply more that can happen if they fought than a black and white victory for either. Murphy's law says what?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Of course seeing as though heroes such as Superman, Hulk, Thor etc have all fought beings far greater than their respective peers but this isn't a story-driven battle he won't be putting Mjolnir inside Hulk's mouth, using his belt of strength or whipping up a godblast while the Hulk stands and waits for it.
The stips of the thread state using anything at their disposal. So belt of strength and god blast are all there to be used, and does not really matter where Hulk stands, and if he waits for it or not.
Controlling the weather means controlling the battle field.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He doesn't need to force feed Hulk Mjolnir, summon his belt of strength or Godblast Hulk to beat him, though. And this idea that Hulk has to let Thor do his thing in order to be effected by him is pretty silly, primarily because due to Thor's mobility and speed, it's far more likely that Thor dictates the terms of this fight more so than Hulk does. You might have a point if this devolves into a melee fight, but with CIS off and Thor using everything at his disposal, that's not going to happen.Thor absorbed galactic level energy before, so I'd say if he went that route, the odds are more in his favor than against it.
Thor would have to deal with the discharge of gamma energy before even being able to directly absorb Banner's internal power. It's unknown just how much energy he can contain but it has been stated that aslong as Hulk is angry there is no end to the energy that empowers him. This is tied into his powerset. Another point of note is Hulk at one point in time was the nexus for two universes of energy, his capacity for absorbing/storing energy is immense. Draining is a possibility but is far from a sure-fire means of victory for Thor.
Originally posted by Stoic
Everyone knows that the Hulk cope with a devastating amount of punishment, and has been shown to be very durable, energy resistant, heat resistant, cold resistant, and psi resistant. So is Mangog, but there are a couple of things that Mangog can not do as far as I know.1. He lack a healing factor that can bring him back from being just a stomach, and bones to healed in less than 5 minutes.
And yet Mangog was never shown getting cut or reduced to a skeleton.Mangog got hit with Thor's purest of lightning and anti-force.And like a horror slasher villain ala Freddy and Jason Voorhes, he walks off unscathed from everything thrown at him.So this is an example of how durable Mangog is.You can still argue Mangog has no healing factor.But there is no example of Mangog getting injured or hurt.
Originally posted by Stoic
2. he lacks dynamic strength augmentation like the Hulk has.
Have you even read an issue about Mangog?Mangog stated that he had the strength and durability of a "Billion Billion" beings.Mangog also stated that he becomes stronger and more durable when he is feared and hated.And he even has examples of his strength actually knocking out a Thor who has been throwing everything at him.From the classic to that Thor vol 2 encounter.As contrary to Hulk who often ends fighting a Thor who never uses his powers to a draw.
Originally posted by Stoic
Anyone that has read the Hulk over the last 4 years has been witness to the fact that he no longer takes minutes hours or days to go from base to planet destroying might. His power set says that he has no limits to the amount of strength that he can attain. Mangog does, as does Thor.
Yet Hulk's amp is still dependent on how long can he be angry type.You could be right about Thor, but Mangog, as I said is powered by Hatred.So his strength and durability goes up as well to the point of Knocking out a non holding back Thor.
Originally posted by Stoic
What we witnessed (well at least those of us who read Heart of the Monster) the Hulk do in the Dark Dimension was not the Hulk's full strength capability, and according to the characters bio, he could have trumped that level by an exponential amount. This is not me being a fan boy, but taking what has been canonically written about the Hulk.The Hulk has been shown to become more durable as he grows in power. For instance; when the Bi-Beast, Wendigo, and Arm'Cheddon assaulted him, he didn't even wince in pain, actually to the contrary, their combined assaults did not even register. These are guys that would not just make classic Thor wince in pain, but launch him though whatever architecture, or real estate present on site.
Strength is fine in all, but you seem to be forgetting this is a CISless fight between WBH and Thor in this thread.Thor isn't hindered in this fight.If the stipulations of this thread still has CIS on and BFR off, I would go with the WBH.And is Bi-Beast back to his original level?I seem to remember him getting depowered.Wendigo?I seem to remember savage Hulk wedging him and even Wolverine(in his first appearance).Arm Cheddon has a nice resume in HOTM.depowering and defeating both A-bomb and She-Hulk.And was getting stronger as the Hulk gets stronger in their fight.But I can see Thor handling this 3.
Originally posted by Stoic
This is not meant to be a low blow, just an example. There was a time, that the Avengers Mansion came under siege by the Masters of Evil. Hercules was put into a comatose condition, by taking a huge beating. Thor enter the scene and mops them up, but before this happens, he is hit by Mr' Hyde, who runs into him, and visibly hurts Thor. Hyde passed out from running into him, but it still hurt Thor.Thor would simply not be able to shrug off the combined assault that did not even register to the Hulk. These are confirmed class 100's, and they weren't even able to budge the Hulk. He was more concerned with Betty.
Rage says that the Hulk would not be capable of tanking the G-Blast, but I say that it depends on how strong the Hulk is at that point. You simply can't ignore what happened on panel in terms of the Hulk's strength amping his durability.
And I don't think WBH can withstand an Anti-Force or this
Thor summoning a lightning bolt that startled Chaos King(who happens to be Eternity's opposite) 😄
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The stips of the thread state using anything at their disposal. So belt of strength and god blast are all there to be used, and does not really matter where Hulk stands, and if he waits for it or not.Controlling the weather means controlling the battle field.
Wait a minute the belt is not a typical object that Thor carries around with him. how is it standard gear when he has only used is a few times?
@ Igniz
1. The Hulk was reduced to a stomach and a few bones, and regenerated in less than 5 minutes. Mangog was roasted from the inside out, and stayed that way.
2. Yes Mangog is plenty strong, but even a billion billion is limited to it's sum. No cap means that this sum although very large, can be overcome if another sum is greater.
3. Yes I forgot about Mangogs ability to amp from another characters hatred and fear. can't comment on it, but it holds little relevance to this thread, other than Mangog being powerful. Can it be argued that Thor beat him because the plot demanded him to?
4. These days the Hulk has learned to amplify his anger, and hone it like a sword, which allows him to go to heights that were very hard to reach for him in the past. This is no longer the case, he can continue climbing at least until some writer comes out and says " the Hulk has finally reached his limit. Like it or not, it's the characters power set. /shrug.
4. Read what I wrote to Jake in the post just before this.
5. The scan means nothing, the Hulk has taken more damage than this and continued to press on. This is not me trying to be ignorant, just me saying that he may be able to weather such blasts.
6. Read my post prior to this one, and come to an understanding, that I could see another stalemate happening between Thor without CIS and Hulk not holding back. I never once said who i thought would win, because there are too many variables for me to wrap my head around. I will call it a simple split. Edging it in favor of Thor, if he manages to keep the hulk from turning this into a ground and pound. Which I would edge to the Hulks favor.