Ares (DC) VS Thanos

Started by Enzeru5 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
Just like I predicted when a marvel editor of an event answered a question which backed up a clear cut statement and then enzeru denied it and insulted those who disagreed with clear cut proof.

Something like that never happened.
If you have something with the Sentry in mind, then yeah ... It was actually stated on panel, that Sentry can't die, if he doesn't really wish to with all of his heart and it was also stated on panel, that the Void can't return, since it's not up to him.

So that has FAR MORE weight than your Thanos-biasm with your invented shit, with the unofficial statements from writers and editors which don't matter, when it comes to characters and their abilities / power levels, since writers know less about their power levels and abilities than we do. Believe it.

Originally posted by Enzeru
You too are overhyping many of the enemies Thanos faced who were weaker versions then other people faced recently.
Additionally to that you entirely ignored few statements which put Thanos on his place in terms of strenght and especially the speed, since he was portrayed as not being able to tag Captain Marvel in combat, who was moving to fast for him.

But instead you come up with showings of Thanos which basically don't matter at all, like the Fallen One instance, where Fallen One didn't really use much of his speed. He started flying towards Thanos and got attacked and the same happened to the Silver Surfer. No biggie.

At first, you don't accept anything, you moron.

I also never said that my opinion matters when it comes to statements in comic books, which are not official. The same applies even for writers. If we would go by statements, then Ares would be as powerful as Thor, which he isn't since it was never portrayed that way.

It's also not a fact that a silver bullet is supposed to be [insert random bullshit here]...
Thanos didn't only mention the Silver Bullet. He mentioned so much more and the most weight had the statement with the purpose, since that's what everything was about. His purpose to kill Thanos and his will to end it in the end. The silver bullet is just a small area from the text you took out, to prove a point, which has never been written to be that way.

For your Dog's sake, I don't care about the answers of Andyboy, since they don't matter. If they're not on panel, they don't matter, since they're only opinions which are not official.

Drax had the ability to sense Thanos. Later on he gained the ability to sense the presence of people who were in contact with Thanos and he was even able to sense slightly into the future and know where Thanos would be.

There was never stated, that he had any special abilities, which overcame Thanos power. Drax was simply ridiculously resilent and strong. Period.

Once again, you don't accept shit, you moron. Accept a job from Mc Donalds to order your life, or something.
Drax never ever gained the ability to be the silver bullet to Thanos. He was simply more powerful, that's all. He was able to sense him, he was able to sense him even further, yes that were his abilities. He lost his flight and strenght and so on, yes. We saw all that.
But we never saw him simply being Draxynite to Super-Thanos. He never had that ability. He had the purpose to kill Thanos and he did that. He killed Thanos.

And now go and wash yourself.

Wow you really are stupid or just trying to be comedic. First, don't think I missed your concession and retraction of the statement that drax didn't lose any abilities or gain any abilities. I noticed it, even though you tried to quickly glance over that part. Second, The Thor and Ares comment isn't comparable to Andy Schmidts comments. Andy talked about something we SPECIFICALLY SAW in the comic and expanded on its meaning further. He referenced drax being reborn with new abilities to kill Thanos, and losing abilities that didn't work (flight, blasting etc ) This wasn't his opinion of other characters on how they would do if they fought. I was referencing what we saw via narration and artistic depiction and elaborated on it further. Ya know, a comic HE EDITED and stuff he knows way more about than you. Third, you've been caught moron. You admitted Drax lost his strength among other things and gained new abilities (the concession I already accepted and retraction of your early statement)... Now, since Drax has met Thanos numerous times in the past and had MORE strength by your own admission.. than how is it that he was NEVER able to do even the slightest bit of damage with his punches to Thanos when he was stronger... yet when he was weaker he could just go through Thanos like butter? Hmmm seems to be a paradox in your logic eh? Hmmmm maybe it's because he was weaker but AS ANDY SCHMIDT says... he got new abilities that would NOW allow him to deal the killing blow AND the green aura he now exhibited turned off Thanos Eternal powers of molecular control. By the way, don't think I didn't notice your concession about not backing up your claim of Drax exhibitiing a green aura before. Game set match kid.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Something like that never happened.
If you have something with the Sentry in mind, then yeah ... It was actually stated on panel, that Sentry can't die, if he doesn't really wish to with all of his heart and it was also stated on panel, that the Void can't return, since it's not up to him.

So that has FAR MORE weight than your Thanos-biasm with your invented shit, with the unofficial statements from writers and editors which don't matter, when it comes to characters and their abilities / power levels, since writers know less about their power levels and abilities than we do. Believe it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's explained on panel and you didn't get it but let Andy illuminate what I already previously stated in his own words.

[B]Andy Schmidt 11-08-2006, 09:57 PM Hey Andy, I don't suppose you can hint at if we'll get any explination for why Drax was able to kill Thanos this time despite his previous couple of failures in direct attempts at trying? I'm not going to rant or rave about it personally, but I would hope we get something. He was built to destroy Thanos. I thought we covered it in today's issue. We put it as simply as possible--something about him being a silver bullet. And the closer he got to Thanos, the more focused on Thanos he became and the more that "silver bullet" ability/thing powered up.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/archive/index.php/t-114874-p-8.html

That's as cut and dry as you can get. How does it feel to be completely wrong and unable to comprehend when a marvel editor of this flat out explains what exactly happened. All those who doubted my words can stew in their own failure. [/B]

That's exactly what was described and what we saw on panel. I mean if a marvel editor flat out confirms what we directly read and saw on panel and you deny it you live in your own world. It's that simple. Marvel editors and writers decide what is canon not your own twisted self serving interpretation. Continue to deny it I am thoroughly amused. Very rarely do we have access to someone an editor answering a direct question regarding something in a comic and yet you deny it still. Keep it up.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wow you really are stupid or just trying to be comedic. First, don't think I missed your concession and retraction of the statement that drax didn't lose any abilities or gain any abilities. I noticed it, even though you tried to quickly glance over that part. Second, The Thor and Ares comment isn't comparable to Andy Schmidts comments. Andy talked about something we SPECIFICALLY SAW in the comic and expanded on its meaning further. He referenced drax being reborn with new abilities to kill Thanos, and losing abilities that didn't work (flight, blasting etc ) This wasn't his opinion of other characters on how they would do if they fought. I was referencing what we saw via narration and artistic depiction and elaborated on it further. Ya know, a comic HE EDITED and stuff he knows way more about than you. Third, you've been caught moron. You admitted Drax lost his strength among other things and gained new abilities (the concession I already accepted and retraction of your early statement)... Now, since Drax has met Thanos numerous times in the past and had MORE strength by your own admission.. than how is it that he was NEVER able to do even the slightest bit of damage with his punches to Thanos when he was stronger... yet when he was weaker he could just go through Thanos like butter? Hmmm seems to be a paradox in your logic eh? Hmmmm maybe it's because he was weaker but AS ANDY SCHMIDT says... he got new abilities that would NOW allow him to deal the killing blow AND the green aura he now exhibited turned off Thanos Eternal powers of molecular control. By the way, don't think I didn't notice your concession about not backing up your claim of Drax exhibitiing a green aura before. Game set match kid.

It's getting hard to read through your ridiculous bullshit.

Drax is not the Resurrection Man, who resurrects and instantly shows everyone his abilities. I never denied that Drax gained new abilities, or that he lost few of them, bur they all have been stated and shown. It was stated that he was able to sense Thanos' presence, it was stated that his tracking got increased and it was stated and shown that he was depowered, but it was NEVER ... IT WAS NEVER STATED that he gained the abilitiy to simply kill Thanos, without even bothering.
Especially since the moment where he was depowered was long after the silver bullet instance, where he was simply stronger and more resilent then Thanos.

It does not matter what Andyboy said, since he never let it happen on panel. Everything you do is taking his word as a proof which does not count, since he did not explain it officially in comic books.
We don't argue that way about comics. We discuss who would win a battle: "Thor or Ares", "WW Hulk or Thanos". We don't ask ourself, who would Bendis / Pak let win that battle, since once that happens, it becomes freakin' official, if it's not insane bullcrap, like Spider-Man beating down Firelord.

What you're doing right now is assuming at the highest scale and that is pathetic, even for hardcore character fans.
I am a hardcore Sentry fan, but do you see me coming up with "SENTRY HAS THE POWER OF ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, LOOK AT HIM, HE ASKS EVERYONE IF THEY WANT HIM TO RELEASE THE POWER OF ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, YAY, THE POWER OF ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, IT'S ON PANEL, HE HAS IT, BUT HE DOES NOT WANT TO RELEASE IT, YAY, HE DESTROYED PLANETS AND PROBABLY EVEN A DWARF GALAXY, SINCE THAT'S THE DESTRUCTION ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS WOULD DO, YAY, ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS!"

No ... he was destroying planets while holding back and his energy was visible in the real world, while he was in the microverse.
I'm not saying that he destroyed the entire microverse, even though Photon flew out of the microverse, after Sentry's energy started escalating without a pause.
That would be assuming and I don't do that, since it's too vague.

You and the other Thanos-crazed retards are doing far worse stuff.

Andy is reaffirming what occurred on panel. He flat out says I thought the issue pretty much explained it. The issue did but some want to deny what they read and twist the meaning of it to serve their agendas.

It's his job to understand what the writer is trying to convey and ultimately in this set of circumstances he has the final say on what it and isn't released. You saying an editor's opinion on an event he oversaw which is stated word for word on panel that you misinterpreted is just flat out denial. You just proved debating against you doesn't matter because no matter what evidence is presented you won't change your mind.

Originally posted by Enzeru
It's getting hard to read through your ridiculous bullshit.

Drax is not the Resurrection Man, who resurrects and instantly shows everyone his abilities. I never denied that Drax gained new abilities, or that he lost few of them, bur they all have been stated and shown. It was stated that he was able to sense Thanos' presence, it was stated that his tracking got increased and it was stated and shown that he was depowered, but it was NEVER ... IT WAS NEVER STATED that he gained the abilitiy to simply kill Thanos, without even bothering.
Especially since the moment where he was depowered was long after the silver bullet instance, where he was simply stronger and more resilent then Thanos.

It does not matter what Andyboy said, since he never let it happen on panel. Everything you do is taking his word as a proof which does not count, since he did not explain it officially in comic books.
We don't argue that way about comics. We discuss who would win a battle: "Thor or Ares", "WW Hulk or Thanos". We don't ask ourself, who would Bendis / Pak let win that battle, since once that happens, it becomes freakin' official, if it's not insane bullcrap, like Spider-Man beating down Firelord.

What you're doing right now is assuming at the highest scale and that is pathetic, even for hardcore character fans.
I am a hardcore Sentry fan, but do you see me coming up with "SENTRY HAS THE POWER OF ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, LOOK AT HIM, HE ASKS EVERYONE IF THEY WANT HIM TO RELEASE THE POWER OF ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, YAY, THE POWER OF ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, IT'S ON PANEL, HE HAS IT, BUT HE DOES NOT WANT TO RELEASE IT, YAY, HE DESTROYED PLANETS AND PROBABLY EVEN A DWARF GALAXY, SINCE THAT'S THE DESTRUCTION ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS WOULD DO, YAY, ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS!"

No ... he was destroying planets while holding back and his energy was visible in the real world, while he was in the microverse.
I'm not saying that he destroyed the entire microverse, even though Photon flew out of the microverse, after Sentry's energy started escalating without a pause.
That would be assuming and I don't do that, since it's too vague.

You and the other Thanos-crazed retards are doing far worse stuff.

More lying and moving the goalposts eh? Would you like me to quote where you said Drax didn't gain any new abilities to kill Thanos? Cause I can. You have now retracted that statement and conceded he HAS gained new powers to kill Thanos.

Don't think I missed you not answering my question.... You admit drax was weaker during the A.W. series compared to his earlier appearances. Than explain to us all, how drax, when he was stronger, couldn't so much as a scratch Thanos with ANY of the punches he landed. Yet, he was able to punch right THROUGH Thanos like butter this time? Interesting eh? Maybe it was because of the green aura that was NEVER seen before, which Andy Schmidt CONFIRMED turned off Thanos natural Eternal powers of Molecular control and effected his shields. Andy smith said EXACTLY why he was able to do so. Which makes sense since he's taken blows from a mcuh stronger version of Drax and it did NOTHING to him let alone penetrate him at all AND he's taken blows from FAR STRONGER being than Drax or Sentry and it didn't do anything to him in the slightest. Yet this time, Drax slices through his shields (Shields Andy comments on why and shields that have stood up to exponentionally more than Drax knife and weakened form) and punch right through Thanos. Explain that please? I know, it's because what we saw on panel through narration and aritistic depiction which was confirmed by the Editor of the comic book...Hook, line and sinker.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
More lying and moving the goalposts eh? Would you like me to quote where you said Drax didn't gain any new abilities to kill Thanos? Cause I can.

Already stopped reading right there, you incompetent fool.
I said that Thanos never had any uber-fancy abilities where he was able to kill Thanos. I also said that his ability was to sense the presence of Thanos and later on that ability got increased. He already defeated Thanos before he got depowered into oblivion.

How about you actually read my freakin' posts? Drax tracked down Thanos and beat the living shit out of him. There was no silver bullet ability there, just his one purpose: To kill Thanos, what he also managed to do.

Concession accepted. Nice dodging of the question. I would to if I was made to look like a fool and exposed. Get back to me when you can answer the question I posed kid. Until then, go run and hide with your tail between your legs.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Already stopped reading right there, you incompetent fool.
I said that Thanos never had any uber-fancy abilities where he was able to kill Thanos. I also said that his ability was to sense the presence of Thanos and later on that ability got increased. He already defeated Thanos before he got depowered into oblivion.

How about you actually read my freakin' posts? Drax tracked down Thanos and beat the living shit out of him. There was no silver bullet ability there, just his one purpose: To kill Thanos, what he also managed to do.

I thought we covered it in today's issue.

We put it as simply as possible--something about him being a silver bullet. And the closer he got to Thanos, the more focused on Thanos he became and the more that "silver bullet" ability/thing powered up.

Guys, stop trolling and bashing. I will close this thread and hand out warnings.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Concession accepted. Nice dodging of the question. I would to if I was made to look like a fool and exposed. Get back to me when you can answer the question I posed kid. Until then, go run and hide with your tail between your legs.

Ah, at first you lie like a little *****, claim that I said things which I never said, then you accept something again and now I'm the one who is running away ?_? Just because you're too stupid to actually realize something?

This is how a logical person looks at the entire story. Someone like me, or many of the other people here who hate you Thanos-wanking retards:

1. In the end it's still a fact that the editors opinions don't matter, if they're not clearly stated and shown on panel.

2. It's still a fact that that Thanos already defeated Thanos while only having the Thanos-tracking as his special ability. Nothing else was ever stated before and he defeated him thanks to the superior attributes.

3. In the end it's still a fact that Drax considers himself having only one purpose, just like a silver bullet has only one purpose. To kill someone and not to be the only way to do so.

4. In the end it's still a fact that during Drax' thoughts the silver bullet was only one sentence, while everything else he said was based around something different: simply killing Thanos.

But this is what retarded Thanos-fanboys claim, simply to somehow hype up Thanos as a character, who has some very bad showings when it comes to terms of strenght and speed, basically nearly always the attributes which decide over battles:

1. You idiots take one single sentence out of an entire text and try to force your opinion into the boards. The silly opinion that everything Drax said was totally not important and that only an debatable allegory truly states what Drax said there, even though that's totally not the case and only the three biggest Thanos-lovers on this entire board are the people who want to believe in that.

2. Even though there is nothing that indicates that a Drax in his prime only managed to defeat Thanos, because he is the chosen one or some kind of bullshit like that, it's still something you really want to believe into, so that you can give classic Thanos an AOD-level like rank, where no one besides Drax can defeat him and now where Thanos is the AOD, it's official. Pathetic.

3. As already mentioned, you idiots totally ignore everything Drax said before... That he has only one purpose, to end Thanos. That that urge is encoded into his genetic code, that at least his mind will finally find peace after the task has been acomplished and that Thanos' end is near.
No, you ignore all that and concentrate on an allegory which was there to strenghten Drax' urge to kill Thanos. To explain his only purpose, just like a silver bullet has the only logical purpose: To kill a werewolf. No one is talking about a vulnerability or something like that. Drax never mentiones something like that. He never says, that he is the one who has been granted the ability to easy kill off Thanos. He simply says that he has the purpose to kill him and he is on his way to finish the mission.

4. And in the end it's still a fact that there was never more behind the silver bullet story, but to back up Drax' purpose, yet you idiots totally refuse to get that and you bring in an editor into the debate, who basically doesn't matter at all, for two reasons. At first, because he never backed it up during the early days of Drax, where Drax was not depowered and simply defeated Thanos and besides that, in the end ... the thoughts of an editor don't matter at all, if they're not on panel in a story. The thoughts of an editor are far worse then a freakin' What If.

You Thanos-YMCA-boys are truly pathetic, one worse than the other.

Enzeru, you get a warning.

Originally posted by Badabing
Enzeru, you get a warning.

Greatly accepted. I'm through with the story anyway. I simply don't care enough about Thanos, to actually bother in the long run and I would rather laugh at people recultant, than spend even more time with trying to convince them that they're clueless.

It's like talking to a wall. Heeeeeeeeell no will I lose the control again and unleash the power of one mi ... ah, forget it.

So all that and you still couldn't answer the question at hand and instead just spouted off a bs of retarded bs.

If drax didn't gain any new abilities or exhibit an aura that effected thanos... Why was he able to EASILY go through shields that have stood up to exponentionally more than a weaker drax with a knife.. and why WHILE WEAKER THAN BEFORE (which you concede) he was able to go right through THanos like butter.. yet when he was stronger... he couldn't put so much of a scratch on Thanos. ANSWER THE QUESTIONS??? I await to see your squirming and dodging again.

Originally posted by SquallX
Once more, Ares allowed himself to be killed so the next phase of his plans to begin.
Thanos wins. Ares allowing himself to be killed is irrelevant. What is rellevant is that he was killed at all. As the avatar of Death, Thanos would love it if he had the option of simply "choosing" to die, but he can't. Simply put, he is immune to death, as was stated on panel. To put AoD Thanos down permanently would require a lot more than "a mere Skyfather", as Galactus would put it, is capable of. IMHO it would required Abstract level powers to defeat him.