SS Link vs TP Link

Originally posted by ares834
Fair enough. Still creating dimensions > merging them.

I'm afraid not.

Creating a pocket dimension doesn't mean jack shit in the context of a battle, unless they have shown to apply that power to it.

Ganondorf has shown the power to banish creatures in the gap between dimensions, and Zant was shown warping reality during his fight, duplicating previous boss stages, etc.

"Creating a pocket dimension" doesn't mean a damn thing to me.

It’s highly relevant. There is a massive difference between merging dimensions and creating twilight to shroud the world.

Please, by all means, tell me the quantifiable difference between merging another dimension with a country and merely corrupting the entirety of it with dark magic, effectively altering the reality into a copy of another dimension.

Please, quantify both feats to me and prove the former is greater. 😐

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm afraid not.

Indeed it is.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Creating a pocket dimension doesn't mean jack shit in the context of a battle, unless they have shown to apply that power to it.

True. Yet, I was not the one who originally brought up dimensional manipulations. Screampaste did. So I presented one which Demise preformed that was more impressive implying a greater power.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Please, quantify both feats to me and prove the former is greater. 😐

Nah. I never claimed it was. I only pointed out there is a vast difference between the two.

Originally posted by ares834
Indeed it is.

Nope.

True. Yet, I was not the one who originally brought up dimensional manipulations. Screampaste did. So I presented one which Demise preformed that was more impressive implying a greater power.

Only Ganondorf's showings have combat applications.

Nah. I never claimed it was. I only pointed out there is a vast difference between the two.

Well sure, I guess "technically" there is a difference.

One is merging two dimensions on a country scale.

The other is altering the fabric of reality on a country scale.

Either way, you get country level reality warping.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nope.

So you think merging something is more impressive than creating it? You know it's possibe for us (humans) to merge matter but impossible to actually create it. True creation is beyond us while we can use what is already here to do whatever we want. Therefore, creation seems to be more difficult.

Only Ganondorf's showings have combat applications.

Like BFRing a defeated creation... That's hardly a winning strategy, especially against a being shown capable of traversing dimensions.

Well sure, I guess "technically" there is a difference.

One is merging two dimensions on a country scale.

The other is altering the fabric of reality on a country scale.

Either way, you get country level reality warping.

Which, according to you, is irrelevant in a fight.

"country level reality warping" doesn't mean a damn thing to me. lol

Originally posted by ares834
So you think merging something is more impressive than creating it? You know it's possibe for us (humans) to merge matter but impossible to actually create it. True creation is beyond us while we can use what is already here to do whatever we want. Therefore, creation seems to be more difficult.

I think that it is when merging it can be used in battle. "Creating a pocket dimension" doesn't equate to prowess in combat.

Though funnily enough, I just recalled that Ganon can create pocket dimensions.

In the Oracles games, he is capable of pulling you into a pocket dimension where your controls are reversed, and he did this while lacking the Triforce and while only a mindless beast.

Actually, IIRC, both of the main villains of the two Oracles games, Onox and Veran, both merely pawns of Twinrova, who seek to resurrect Ganon, created pocket dimensions to fight Link in. Onox did it in his dragon form, at least, I definitely remember that.

So yeah, Demise creating a pocket dimension to fight Link in is nothing special.

Like BFRing a defeated creation... That's hardly a winning strategy, especially against a being shown capable of traversing dimensions.

I wasn't actually talking about that.

I was referring to, well, just read below.

Which, according to you, is irrelevant in a fight.

"country level reality warping" doesn't mean a damn thing to me. lol

I am afraid you will have to try harder.

Zant's "country level reality warping" also has the side effect of imprisoning the souls of everyone inside the country, trapping them in their own soul.

That is a combat application. That is the difference.

Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]Though funnily enough, I just recalled that Ganon can create pocket dimensions.

In the Oracles games, he is capable of pulling you into a pocket dimension where your controls are reversed, and he did this while lacking the Triforce and while only a mindless beast.

Just checked the video. The room itself never changes nor is there mention of dimensions at all.

Actually, IIRC, both of the main villains of the two Oracles games, Onox and Veran, both merely pawns of Twinrova, who seek to resurrect Ganon, created pocket dimensions to fight Link in. Onox did it in his dragon form, at least, I definitely remember that.

Chekced the video for this battle as well. Link falls through a hole in the ground after defeating Onox at which point he transforms into a dragon. There is no mention of him creating a new dimension to battle in.

He does claim he is from te Dark dimension though, so perhaps he pulled Link there.

I am afraid you will have to try harder.

Zant's "country level reality warping" also has the side effect of imprisoning the souls of everyone inside the country, trapping them in their own soul.

That is a combat application. That is the difference.

Fair enough. Yet, I'm not actually arguing that Demise is superior to Ganon or Zant. Only that Link's defeat of Demise is more impressive. Quite simply, Zant's "country level reality warping" is useless against Link armed with the Master Sword.

Fair enough. Yet, I'm not actually arguing that Demise is superior to Ganon or Zant. Only that Link's defeat of Demise is more impressive. Quite simply, Zant's "country level reality warping" is useless against Link armed with the Master Sword.

Beating Demise is impressive but in no way more impressive than beating Ganon. 😐

Except, as I have already claimed, Link had help from both Midna and Zelda in his fight against Ganon.

Furthermore, SS Link has plenty of other great feats mentioned in this thread like single handedly taking down an entire army and being physcially strong enough to knock around Ghirahim.

What does TP Link bring to the table that is more impressive than either of those?

Originally posted by ares834
Except, as I have already claimed, Link had help from both Midna and Zelda in his fight against Ganon.

Furthermore, SS Link has plenty of other great feats mentioned in this thread like single handedly taking down an entire army and being physcially strong enough to knock around Ghirahim.

What does TP Link bring to the table that is more impressive than either of those?

Neither of those things are impressive feats. Fighting an army? Literally any Link could do that, including the children.

TP Link bests Ganon in a straight up sword lock. 😐

What strength feats does Ganondorf have in TP?

And TP Link got hit by the slow King Bulbin. I have a hard time believing he could solo an army, at least as easily or as quickly as SS Link did.

Again, I don't believe in this powerscaling; its simply not showing up in the visuals for one, SS Link not having a ToC seems irrelevant. He's superhuman without it.And his deeper connection to the triforce itself is probably better anyway.

Posted this on the OBD to get more opinions and I don't see anyone calling a stomp either way there, and they are certainly more knowledgeable about Zelda than I am.

And his deeper connection to the triforce itself is probably better anyway.

And TP Link got hit by the slow King Bulbin.

Well neither does the ToC actually do anything that would actually help TP Link directly in a fight, so its a moot point either way.

Took the flat of the axe to the chest. and it hurt him enough for him to grunt in pain and get knocked back. King Bulbin is really no bigger than those bokoblin things SS Link fought, and SS Link fought an army of them. They would hurt him after awhile.

Well neither does the ToC actually do anything that would actually help TP Link directly in a fight, so its a moot point either way.

Lol. Doesn't do anything? what the hell would the point even be in him having it if it didn't? Shoot, go ahead. We're told flat out that the triforce pieces are sources of power, and have been used as such for the entire series, since "Gannon with power" back in 1986, ffs.

And suddenly once SS comes out we can claim being 'in tune' with the whole triforce is just as good or better than actually possessing an amp?

Well shit, might as well start claiming Supes is more in tune with space or something on account of having been there and has cosmic powerz.

Let me be frank. SS is the better game. SS Link is awesome. His feats are inferior, his enemy is inferior, he has no amp, TP Link does. This is a one sided fight.

Go ahead, say you don't believe in power-scaling again. It doesn't matter, because TP Link and Ganondorf have the better feats anyway and the canon does.

Mad. Done with thread.

I am sorry for making Shin mad guise.

He's mad cuz he cares.

Go ahead, say you don't believe in power-scaling again.

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By feats TP Link is still stronger, unless the Girahim wall busting is above it.. if so he gains the advantage.

Everything hangs on what the ToC gives him and if Dem <?> Dorf. And for fear of giving Scream an aneurysm Im just gonna point out one thing instead of a list; The TF isn't a solid amp if its on at all.

Starting with the ToC; TP Link with it was brought up to the strength of <50 tons. On the other hand, OoT Link with it can't even lift a 10 ton rock without S.Gauntlets, and thats more than it gives to the other Link's.

And the ToP; Besides Dem's consciousness being sealed into the MS making him being fully reincarnating pretty tough, theres also if anything besides the hatred was passed on. And their shown feats. Dorf's biggest thing is freezing over the Zora domain, which by sheer size is far smaller than erupting a large volcanoe/shaking an island or that huge flood. And Demise > Girahim > them, apparently. If that holds then Dorf is below them in feats and thus cant be stronger than Dem.

Basically: Simply having the ToC/P doesnt make them much abve the norm, less so in Dem/Dorf's case.

Um, no, Ganondorf's best feat is when Zant corrupted/merged most of Hyrule into the Twilight Ream.

Originally posted by BloodRain

By feats TP Link is still stronger, unless the Girahim wall busting is above it.. if so he gains the advantage.

Everything hangs on what the ToC gives him and if Dem <?> Dorf. And for fear of giving Scream an aneurysm Im just gonna point out one thing instead of a list; The TF isn't a solid amp if its on at all.

Starting with the ToC; TP Link with it was brought up to the strength of <50 tons. On the other hand, OoT Link with it can't even lift a 10 ton rock without S.Gauntlets, and thats more than it gives to the other Link's.
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I'm not sure its open and shut that TP Link is stronger by feats.

His best strength feat is tossing Dangoro around with the iron boots equipped. Ghirahim's wall busting should be greater than that, but then again I don't recall SS Link and him having a direct contests of strength in their fights in which Link won, so its iffy.

SS Link's best strength feat is probably this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R9menijiWg&feature=player_embedded
^12:24-12:33. That hand would definitely weigh more than Dangoro.

As an aside for Ghirahim, he was also able to bust through Impa's force fields, and old Impa was able to hold back perhaps millions of tons of water with some magic seal...but I'm not going to assume that the two are equivalent since there are too many unknowns. Just saying since Paste brought it to my attention once before.

Oh another good one. IIRC, Link broke out of the grip of Tentalus. That boss was wrecking the sandship. Which is an impressive feat of strength because the sandship was durable enough to withstand three cannon shots and take no damage at all--only its cloaking device malfunctioned from it. the hull was in-tact.