Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, I know that. However, since Anakin is faaaaar more powerful than Malgus can ever hope to dream about (G-Canon statement puts Anakin at twice as powerful as Darth Sidious, widely believed to be the most powerful Sith Lord in the mythos), Anakins experience of tapping into his full potential is much more effective than Malgus'.
You need to PROVE that Anakin unlocked his full potential against Count Dooku.
Do you really think that such power was needed to overcome Count? I don't think so.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Correct in the first regard. However you sell Zonakin short. It allowed Anakin to reach a state in which Dooku became a complete joke in comparision and where he was able to end the duel when he felt like it.
However, Zonakin did not faced any force powers. He forced Count Dooku in to submission in a lightsaber duel.
Do you think that force powers would not work on Zonakin?
Originally posted by Nephthys
It was of no fault of Dooku's. Anakin simply surpassed him.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If you wanted to. But it would be supremely disingenuous of you to assume that you can compare the state Anakin achieved and Malgus achieved and expect us to value them the same. Anakin is the Chosen One. Malgus is just another Sith Lord.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Do you understand?
Originally posted by Nephthys
We've never said that Anakin would be unstoppable in this state. But the fact remains that he was elevated to a degree where Dooku's Force Mastery became irrelevent and in which Anakin curbstomped him without effort. Not even Yoda was capable of that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Anakin obviously was disturbed in that duel, and at the very least was not able to reach the lofty heights he had in his duel with Dooku, otherwise you bet you ass he would have beaten Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm sorry, I don't think those claims have been proven as of yet, kekeke.
Originally posted by Nephthys
There is no substance in a feeling. Your point is without merit.
1. Force signature masking technique rendered ineffective
2. Where Malgus went, destruction followed.
3. Manhandling of Adraas.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not in the slightest. Again I say, Obi-Wan was in such a state that the Force spoke directly through him. You fail sir.
The Force responded to his emotional state
Try to comprehend the above statement.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I think we have enough evidence from our last debate to establish that Dooku is in no way inadequate compared to Malgus, kekeke.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Anakin had the POTENTIAL to become as powerful as you mention. However, he did not.You need to PROVE that Anakin unlocked his full potential against Count Dooku.
Do you really think that such power was needed to overcome Count? I don't think so.
I never claimed that he achieved the entirely of his potential. He began to finally tap into his true potential, in the same way that Luke becoming enraged in RotJ was able to overpower Vader despite the latters extremely advantage over the former. I'm merely explaining to you that Anakin would get a hell of a lot more from tapping into his full potential than Malgus.
Your laughable attempt to compare the two states has failed. You think just by saying that Malgus 'felt like he had become the Force' (lol) that we'll assume that he got an upgrade equal to Anakins? Or one that elevates him beyond anything Anakin can achieve? No.
Understand that I'm not just saying that Anakin became incredibly awesome and therefore he wins, I'm saying that Anakin became so powerful that he utterly curbstomped Count Dooku with ease. I'm using actual evidence. You might want to try it some time.
Know this:
Throughout the entire fight Anakin is holding back:
"This boy had the gift of fury.
And even now, he was holding himself back; even now, as he landed at Dooku's flank and rained blows upon the Sith Lord's defenses, even as he drove Dooku backward step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will: walls that were hardened by some uncontrollable dread.
Dread, Dooku surmised, of himself. Of what might happen if he should ever allow that furnace he used for a heart to go supercritical."
Understand this. Even holding back Anakin was forcing Dooku back and defeating him. And when Anakin ceases to hold back we get this:
"A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.
It is that simple, and that complex.
And it is final.
Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.
The play is still on; the comedy of lightsabers flashes and snaps and hisses. Dooku & Skywalker, a one-time-only command performance, for an audience of one. Jedi and Sith and Sith and Jedi, spinning, whirling, crashing together, slashing and chopping, parrying, binding, slipping and whipping and ripping the air around them with snarls of power.
And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.
The play goes on, but the suspense is over. It has become mere pantomime, as intricate and as meaningless as the space-time curves that guide galactic clusters through a measureless cosmos.
Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste-the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life-are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax.
Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke."
This is why Anakin wins.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I don't sell Zonakin short. I clearly stated that he would be a formidable opponent for many in the mythos.However, Zonakin did not faced any force powers. He forced Count Dooku in to submission in a lightsaber duel.
Do you think that force powers would not work on Zonakin?
As I have stated in the thread already, the duel with Dooku is not the only time Anakin has been able to tap into his true potential. In the Mortis trilogy he also does so and telekinetically dominates the Son and Daughter, two beings that were described by the narration as being "more powerful with the Force that any Jedi have seen before."
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So this proves that Anakin can beat everybody?
I've already stated that this isn't the case.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Being the Chosen One is meaningless. By your logic Sithari should be the most powerful Sith. You know that this is not true.
Except that George Lucas has directly backed up Anakins strength in the Force as being twice that of Sidious.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku's Force mastery was irrelevant against Yoda too, as witnessed on Geonosis. In addition, Yoda has soft corner for him.
Dooku's Force Mastery is not irrelevent against Yoda, its one of the reasons why he can duel with him somewhat equally.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is your assumption. There is no indication even in the novelization of this.
There is also no indication that Anakin was 'In teh Zone' or that he utilising his rage properly in the duel. Also, its ****ing obvious that he's disturbed in that scene, one only has to watch the movie to see that. Anakin chokes his own wife and paces back and forth while screaming paranoid rants. Right after he had massacred a bunch of people and was crying.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have yet to prove that Count Dooku is stronger then Malgus or on par with him. All your previous attempts have ended in failure.
Actually its the other way around. You were asserting that Malgus was superior to Dooku, a claim that you couldn't establish as fact.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is the substance:1. Force signature masking technique rendered ineffective
2. Where Malgus went, destruction followed.
3. Manhandling of Adraas.
OK, Malgus causing quote/unquote "destruction" and beating up Adraas clearly shows that Anakin has no chance against him. Thank you for this wealth of evidence. 🙄
Though I would be interested in hearing about this Force signature masking technique.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have trouble in understanding expressions.The Force responded to his emotional state
Try to comprehend the above statement.
I'm sorry, but I don't speak bullshit. You'll need to translate it for me. How does that quote in any way establish whatever it is you're arguing?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus is more powerful and dangerous.
no u
Originally posted by Nephthys
I never claimed that he achieved the entirely of his potential. He began to finally tap into his true potential, in the same way that Luke becoming enraged in RotJ was able to overpower Vader despite the latters extremely advantage over the former. I'm merely explaining to you that Anakin would get a hell of a lot more from tapping into his full potential than Malgus.
However, Anakin would not tire out easily because of his extreme connection to the Force. He can call upon the Force to replenish his energies for a long duration. And he can augment his physical strength and speed to an impressive degree with the Force in conjunction with his impressive skills with the lightsaber (which favors his aggressive combat style) to keep pressure on his opponent. This is the picture I get from his final encounter with Count Dooku.
But there is no sign of unlocking of full potential.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Your laughable attempt to compare the two states has failed. You think just by saying that Malgus 'felt like he had become the Force' (lol) that we'll assume that he got an upgrade equal to Anakins? Or one that elevates him beyond anything Anakin can achieve? No.
Revelations:
1. The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible.
2. He strode through the rooms and hallways of Adraas’s retreat, toppling or destroying everything within reach—antique desks, the bizarre, erotic statuary favored by Adraas, everything. He left ruin in his wake, all while shouting for Adraas to show himself. His voice rang off the walls.
3. He proceeded to kill Adraas with bare hands; an individual who could shatter solid objects, defeat scores of opponents simultaneously, and cause pain to even powerful Force-wielders with his Force powers.
The above is not the only example.
Remember the events depicted in Return video?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Understand that I'm not just saying that Anakin became incredibly awesome and therefore he wins, I'm saying that Anakin became so powerful that he utterly curbstomped Count Dooku with ease. I'm using actual evidence. You might want to try it some time.
& compare with this;
Notice any similarities?
Kao seems to be overpowered Dooku. And Malgus seems to be overpowered Anakin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Know this:Throughout the entire fight Anakin is holding back:
"This boy had the gift of fury.
And even now, he was holding himself back; even now, as he landed at Dooku's flank and rained blows upon the Sith Lord's defenses, even as he drove Dooku backward step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will: walls that were hardened by some uncontrollable dread.
Dread, Dooku surmised, of himself. Of what might happen if he should ever allow that furnace he used for a heart to go supercritical."
Understand this. Even holding back Anakin was forcing Dooku back and defeating him. And when Anakin ceases to hold back we get this:
"A starburst of clarity blossoms within Anakin Skywalker's mind, when he says to himself Oh. I get it, now and discovers that the fear within his heart can be a weapon, too.
It is that simple, and that complex.
And it is final.
Dooku is dead already. The rest is mere detail.
The play is still on; the comedy of lightsabers flashes and snaps and hisses. Dooku & Skywalker, a one-time-only command performance, for an audience of one. Jedi and Sith and Sith and Jedi, spinning, whirling, crashing together, slashing and chopping, parrying, binding, slipping and whipping and ripping the air around them with snarls of power.
And all for nothing, because a nuclear flame has consumed Anakin Skywalker's Jedi restraint, and fear becomes fury without effort, and fury is a blade that makes his lightsaber into a toy.
The play goes on, but the suspense is over. It has become mere pantomime, as intricate and as meaningless as the space-time curves that guide galactic clusters through a measureless cosmos.
Dooku's decades of combat experience are irrelevant. His mastery of swordplay is useless. His vast wealth, his political influence, impeccable breeding, immaculate manners, exquisite taste-the pursuits and points of pride to which he has devoted so much of his time and attention over the long, long years of his life-are now chains hung upon his spirit, bending his neck before the ax.
Even his knowledge of the Force has become a joke."
This is why Anakin wins.
Originally posted by Nephthys
As I have stated in the thread already, the duel with Dooku is not the only time Anakin has been able to tap into his true potential. In the Mortis trilogy he also does so and telekinetically dominates the Son and Daughter, two beings that were described by the narration as being "more powerful with the Force that any Jedi have seen before."
In addition, the Father helped Anakin by weakening his Son.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've already stated that this isn't the case.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Except that George Lucas has directly backed up Anakins strength in the Force as being twice that of Sidious.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Dooku's Force Mastery is not irrelevent against Yoda, its one of the reasons why he can duel with him somewhat equally.
Every Force based attack from Count Dooku was countered by Yoda.
How is this not an indication of uselessness of Force Mastery of Count Dooku against Yoda?
Originally posted by Nephthys
There is also no indication that Anakin was 'In teh Zone' or that he utilising his rage properly in the duel. Also, its ****ing obvious that he's disturbed in that scene, one only has to watch the movie to see that. Anakin chokes his own wife and paces back and forth while screaming paranoid rants. Right after he had massacred a bunch of people and was crying.
Anakin was trying to erode the will of Obi-Wan with his taunts.
Here is an example:
"You're no match for the power of the dark side."
And Anakin was serious:
This;
He spun and whirled and sliced razor-sharp shards of steel from the wall and shot them at Obi-Wan with the full heat of his fury.
Another;
they battled out onto the collection panels over which the cascades of lava poured, and Obi-Wan, out on the edge of the collection panel, hunching under a curve of durasteel that splashed aside gouts of
lava, deflecting Force blasts and countering strikes from this creature of rage that had been his best friend, suddenly comprehended an unexpectedly profound truth.
Creature of rage is Anakin.
Get the picture?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually its the other way around. You were asserting that Malgus was superior to Dooku, a claim that you couldn't establish as fact.
Originally posted by Nephthys
OK, Malgus causing quote/unquote "destruction" and beating up Adraas clearly shows that Anakin has no chance against him. Thank you for this wealth of evidence. 🙄
If I go by liking, I would pick Anakin over Malgus. However, if I go by command of the Force, I would pick Malgus over Anakin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Though I would be interested in hearing about this Force signature masking technique.
The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm sorry, but I don't speak bullshit. You'll need to translate it for me. How does that quote in any way establish whatever it is you're arguing?
when he opens himself to that sparkling stream it flows into him and through him and out again without the slightest interference from his conscious will
What this implies is that Obi-Wan opened himself up the Force (called upon the Force), which responded to his call and awashed him in it.
The other highlighted sentences are poetic in nature. Those sentences make it sound like as if Force is an entity with its own will and possessed Obi-Wan, replacing his will with its own. Focus on the context and not just on expressions.
Originally posted by Nephthys
no u
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Anakin cannot unlock his full potential unless he gains exceptional command of the Force.However, Anakin would not tire out easily because of his extreme connection to the Force. He can call upon the Force to replenish his energies for a long duration. And he can augment his physical strength and speed to an impressive degree with the Force in conjunction with his impressive skills with the lightsaber (which favors his aggressive combat style) to keep pressure on his opponent. This is the picture I get from his final encounter with Count Dooku.
But there is no sign of unlocking of full potential.
Then we are agreed?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are constantly ignoring the effectiveness of the power boost that Malgus recieved under such a refined mental condition.
And you are wanking the hell out of it.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Revelations:
Cute. I always prefered Leviticus myself.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible.
This doesn't prove much of anything other than Malgus lost control of suppressing his Force signature. We already know Malgus grew in power from his epiphany, this doesn't add anything.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
2. He strode through the rooms and hallways of Adraas’s retreat, toppling or destroying everything within reach—antique desks, the bizarre, erotic statuary favored by Adraas, everything. He left ruin in his wake, all while shouting for Adraas to show himself. His voice rang off the walls.
So this destruction you've been hyping up has been Malgus flipping some desks and snapping the wangs off naughty furtniture? Wow, I am so unimpressed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
3. He proceeded to kill Adraas with bare hands; an individual who could shatter solid objects, defeat scores of opponents simultaneously, and cause pain to even powerful Force-wielders with his Force powers.
The singular half-way impressive thing he does. Theres nothing in this that I see as approaching Anakins ownage of Dooku. Adraas is certainly no Darth Tyrannus.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The above is not the only example.Remember the events depicted in Return video?
How could I not considering you post it every time we have a conversation? 🙄
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Watch this;& compare with this;
Notice any similarities?
Kao seems to be overpowered Dooku. And Malgus seems to be overpowered Anakin.
I've seen them. The Old Republic trailer is naturally going to be more visually appealling becuase it isn't limited to live-action. The Anakin in that video is already a high-end master of multiple saber styles to the degree that he can create his own lightsaber form, however, from the uninspired visuals he doesn't look that impressive. But he is. Far more impressive than Malgus in terms of lightsaber mastery.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Mortis was a special place: A conduit through which the entire Force of the universe flows.In addition, the Father helped Anakin by weakening his Son.
Malgus was fighting above Korriban though. Do you not think he was benefitting from the darkside nexus of that place?
And Anakin wasn't helped by the Father at that point. that happens later I believe.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No need to manipulate his words. He was talking about the potential of the Anakin.
And I wasn't? Anakin achieving a heightened power is directly tied into his enormous potential. Malgus doesn't have even close to Force Strength to draw upon.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Equally?Every Force based attack from Count Dooku was countered by Yoda.
How is this not an indication of uselessness of Force Mastery of Count Dooku against Yoda?
Yoda didn't defeat Dooku with the Force, as he does to lesser combatants (Ventress). He was forced to enagage the Count in lightsaber combat, which is Dookus speciality. And Force Mastery can apply in lightsaber duels as well.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
These assumptions are not valid. Duel is a serious matter. It is a situation of life and death.Anakin was trying to erode the will of Obi-Wan with his taunts.
Here is an example:
"You're no match for the power of the dark side."
😆
Yes, that clearly proves that Anakin was super serious about the duel. That is incontravertable proof right there.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And Anakin was serious:This;
He spun and whirled and sliced razor-sharp shards of steel from the wall [B]and shot them at Obi-Wan with the full heat of his fury.
Another;
they battled out onto the collection panels over which the cascades of lava poured, and Obi-Wan, out on the edge of the collection panel, hunching under a curve of durasteel that splashed aside gouts of
lava, deflecting Force blasts and countering strikes from this creature of rage that had been his best friend, suddenly comprehended an unexpectedly profound truth.Creature of rage is Anakin.
Get the picture?[/b]
No. As I've said, Anakin was in a crazed rage throughout the entire duel. This doesn't prove that Anakin reached the level of clarity and power that he did when he fought Dooku. If you have anything that suggests that he did, please provide that.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have established my case in the actual thread for these two individuals. You chose to get useless help for the stones based argument, which also ended in failure because of the best example provided me which proved to be the final nail in the coffin. Accept your failure and move on.
You established nothing. 😬 I defeated your every point, you just focus on the stones argument because thats the only part that you can pretend that you 'won' during our talk. Face it, Malgus hasn't even been established as being superior to Dooku. Malgus isn't as awesome as you think he is.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
See above. No need to act sarcastic. Judge things from nuetral perspective.If I go by liking, I would pick Anakin over Malgus. However, if I go by command of the Force, I would pick Malgus over Anakin.
You like Anakin more than Malgus? Fair enough, though I hope you're not suggesting that I am picked Anakin out of bias.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This;The growing power whirling around him, leaking through the lid of his control, made the suppression of his Force signature impossible.
Why was Malgus suppresing his Force signature?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is the sentence highlighted by you:when he opens himself to that sparkling stream it flows into him and through him and out again without the slightest interference from his conscious will
What this implies is that Obi-Wan opened himself up the Force (called upon the Force), which responded to his call and awashed him in it.
How is this any different from a state of one-ness with the Force? Its certainly more impressive that Malgus getting a feeling.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The other highlighted sentences are poetic in nature. Those sentences make it sound like as if Force is an entity with its own will and possessed Obi-Wan, replacing his will with its own. Focus on the context and not just on expressions.
The Force is an entity with its own will. And I sincerely fail to see how you can argue that my example is merely a poetic piece of prose and yours isn't.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Thank you
For what? I was making fun of you.
The Moose's lack of response/clarification to these many points is discouraging. He seems to favor pre-film characters in allmost threads. What I've read for myself undermines the idea that Malgus curbstomped Zallow with "contemptuous ease." But then I must confess that I'm disinclined to read much more of the novel; Williams isn't especially entertaining to me, particularly with regards to The Force Unleashed novels which were absolutely horrific.
I don't have enough reliable information about Malgus to determine the victor.
Originally posted by EdgeOfTheMoment
The Moose's lack of response/clarification to these many points is discouraging. He seems to favor pre-film characters inallmost threads. What I've read for myself undermines the idea that Malgus curbstomped Zallow with "contemptuous ease." But then I must confess that I'm disinclined to read much more of the novel; Williams isn't especially entertaining to me, particularly with regards to The Force Unleashed novels which were absolutely horrific.I don't have enough reliable information about Malgus to determine the victor.
To be fair, my classes just started this week and I'm fighting to maintain equilibrium between that and TOR. Debating line for line about the novel is kind of time-consuming. And while normally I'd jump at the opportunity to e-duel with you, I must pass. But read the book nonetheless. It was very good, painting a great picture of the main characters.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then we are agreed?
Malgus has greater command of the Force? Check
Malgus has demonstrated the capability to fight for a long duration? Check
Malgus' masters noted that he had great potential? Check
Malgus has greater physical strength? Check
Malgus was an expert and aggressive duelist? Check
Malgus packed incredible tolerance? Check
Do you get the picture?
Originally posted by Nephthys
And you are wanking the hell out of it.
You make it sound like as if Anakin got EXTRAORDINARY power boost, right?
Did he destroyed the entire room? Did he atomized Count Dooku? Did he tilted the Starship or something?
He got the strength to overcome Count Dooku and I gave an assessment of it. Exactly how potent he was at that moment in the grand picture is open to speculation.
Originally posted by Nephthys
This doesn't prove much of anything other than Malgus lost control of suppressing his Force signature. We already know Malgus grew in power from his epiphany, this doesn't add anything.
However, Malgus was awashed in power to such a degree during his raid on resting place of Adraas that his attempt to conceal his Force signature did not work. This doesn't prove much, right?
Originally posted by Nephthys
So this destruction you've been hyping up has been Malgus flipping some desks and snapping the wangs off naughty furtniture? Wow, I am so unimpressed.
If you will come out of the shell of your fanboyism, you will be impressed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The singular half-way impressive thing he does. Theres nothing in this that I see as approaching Anakins ownage of Dooku. Adraas is certainly no Darth Tyrannus.
While Adraas has got limited screen time, his showings with the Force are decent.
The manner in which he owned a squad of troops is impressive. He shattered a portion of the Jedi Temple floor in the process.
And his Force Lightning assault caused pain to even Malgus (an individual with great tolerance).
Originally posted by Nephthys
How could I not considering you post it every time we have a conversation? 🙄
Originally posted by Nephthys
I've seen them. The Old Republic trailer is naturally going to be more visually appealling becuase it isn't limited to live-action. The Anakin in that video is already a high-end master of multiple saber styles to the degree that he can create his own lightsaber form, however, from the uninspired visuals he doesn't look that impressive. But he is. Far more impressive than Malgus in terms of lightsaber mastery.
Human factor is no longer the limitation. Superman Returns, Fantastic Four series, and X-Men series movies are examples.
Consider the The Thing movies. The special effects of the original are still worthy of praise and look very realistic. It all depends upon the creativity.
In addition, watch this video:
NOTE: 45 - 54.
The cinematic trailers from Bioware are as realistic as movies. They are not like cartoons. Therefore, comparison remains valid.
Malgus' speed is such that human eyes cannot properly track his moves.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus was fighting above Korriban though. Do you not think he was benefitting from the darkside nexus of that place?
Originally posted by Nephthys
And Anakin wasn't helped by the Father at that point. that happens later I believe.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And I wasn't? Anakin achieving a heightened power is directly tied into his enormous potential. Malgus doesn't have even close to Force Strength to draw upon.
Anakin maybe able to replenish his energies for a long duration - but this would be useless against an opponent who has much greater command of the Force. The latter would overwhelm Anakin and put him out of commission in a short span of time.
For example; do you think that Zonakin can handle DE Sidious?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yoda didn't defeat Dooku with the Force, as he does to lesser combatants (Ventress). He was forced to enagage the Count in lightsaber combat, which is Dookus speciality. And Force Mastery can apply in lightsaber duels as well.
If Yoda could send Sidious packing with his Force push, he could do better against Count Dooku.
And Anakin has never dominated Count Dooku in a Force based contest.
This encounter is a good example:
The statement from ROTS novelization is speculative.
Originally posted by Nephthys
😆Yes, that clearly proves that Anakin was super serious about the duel. That is incontravertable proof right there.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. As I've said, Anakin was in a crazed rage throughout the entire duel. This doesn't prove that Anakin reached the level of clarity and power that he did when he fought Dooku. If you have anything that suggests that he did, please provide that.
And you forget this part:
Blade-to-blade, they were identical. After thousands of hours in lightsaber sparring, they knew each other better than brothers, more intimately than lovers; they were complementary halves of a single warrior.
In every exchange, Obi-Wan gave ground. It was his way. And he knew that to strike Anakin down would burn his own heart to ash.
Originally posted by Nephthys
You established nothing. 😬 I defeated your every point, you just focus on the stones argument because thats the only part that you can pretend that you 'won' during our talk. Face it, Malgus hasn't even been established as being superior to Dooku. Malgus isn't as awesome as you think he is.
Again, what have Count Dooku done which puts him on par with Malgus?
Malgus has tolerated direct missile strikes, survived in battles against Force prodigies who actually attempted to kill him, tore through starship parts hurled towards him, prevented tons of debris from crushing him while being unprepared, survived multiple lightsaber stabs, dominated very strong and skilled opponents ...........
Originally posted by Nephthys
You like Anakin more than Malgus? Fair enough, though I hope you're not suggesting that I am picked Anakin out of bias.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why was Malgus suppresing his Force signature?
Originally posted by Nephthys
How is this any different from a state of one-ness with the Force? Its certainly more impressive that Malgus getting a feeling.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The Force is an entity with its own will.
"Well, the Force is what gives a Jedi his power."
The Force-sensitives call upon the Force to serve their purpose. The Force itself does not possesses them and turns them into mindless drones for a while. This is my intended point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And I sincerely fail to see how you can argue that my example is merely a poetic piece of prose and yours isn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
For what? I was making fun of you.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
However, Zonakin did not faced any force powers. He forced Count Dooku in to submission in a lightsaber duel.Do you think that force powers would not work on Zonakin?
To be fair we have no idea the level of Force TK Zone Anakin could have handled. And we most likely will never know, so its just down to speculation on that point.
What we do know however is that Dooku's knowledge of the Force had become a Joke. Which could be down to Anakin being too powerful in the force, or could be down to Anakin just not giving Dooku even half a second to utilize any of his Force TK powers.