Originally posted by Sin I AM
but his reaction speed must still be fast enough to react an initial attackI have a magic hammer in my hand. someone shoots at me with a laser. I must first think of a proper defense, and lift my hammer to block, without me taking action, i will get shot, then u have to take into account if said attacker shoots multiple times
This scan goes well with your post.
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Originally posted by Sin I AMMjonlir is quasi sentient though.. 😕
this is my argument for thor, mjolnir is not a power ring, a super computer, or a sentient weapon. Its simply a magic hammer. Now if thor can swing mjolnir ftl a multiple targets then he himself must have uber reflexes since he has enough reaction time feats to back it up.
it can store memories, experience and communicate through emotions and images.. plus, it does what its told on its own as well...
Thor has bn shown to have mach level speed reflex.
he has stated that he can move and perceive beyond mortal eyes and than showed it.
he has also moved, ran or whatever in front of the path of his own thrown hammer.
I think Thor can respond to mach level blitz attacks from the likes of Quicksilver prior to upgrades but, not the Flash level frozen in time speed blitz ftl attack blitz.
on another note I dont see the superman scan as being ftl but a low level blitz, it just looks more impressive due to the heat vision, ice breath and supes potential speed. i look at it more as a low mach faster than human eye attack that various slight superhumans could pull off... I think Thor can easily respond to it if he isnt caught off guard and respond in kind..
Originally posted by carver9
I can swing an object far faster than I can move. I don't think that have anything to do with reflexes...it circles around strength.
When an MLB pitcher is throwing a baseball at 100 mph, his fingers are indeed moving at 100 mph relative to the ground just as he is throwing the ball too.
People can move their limbs faster than they can run.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Mjonlir is quasi sentient though.. 😕it can store memories, experience and communicate through emotions and images.. plus, it does what its told on its own as well...
Thor has bn shown to have mach level speed reflex.
he has stated that he can move and perceive beyond mortal eyes and than showed it.
he has also moved, ran or whatever in front of the path of his own thrown hammer.I think Thor can respond to mach level blitz attacks from the likes of Quicksilver prior to upgrades but, not the Flash level frozen in time speed blitz ftl attack blitz.
on another note I dont see the superman scan as being ftl but a low level blitz, it just looks more impressive due to the heat vision, ice breath and supes potential speed. i look at it more as a low mach faster than human eye attack that various slight superhumans could pull off... I think Thor can easily respond to it if he isnt caught off guard and respond in kind..
I agre 100% with this. Example...look at the scan below.. Spiderman initial blitz looks far more impressive than what Superman did in the imperiex scan. I think Thor could react to the blitz in the scan with Imperiex (not saying Spiderman is faster than Supes) but countering someone like Flash, it aint happening.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yes, he can.Against a slower (but still fast in the general sense) character, Thor has the reflexes to wind up hitting them with a typical Mjolnir strike/throw. Against someone exceptionally fast, he can release an omni-directional blast, use weather manipulation, or quake the ground if they're not flying at him. If he wasn't able to use his powers and could only rely on physical attacks, he could be in trouble, though.
A speedblitz against Thor doesn't equate to him auto-losing.
But Thor only did omnidirectional attacks when he was either smothered by multiple enemies or attacked by multiple enemies. I doubt he would think of it when fighting one opponent (even when losing).
Originally posted by Sin I AM
but his reaction speed must still be fast enough to react an initial attackI have a magic hammer in my hand. someone shoots at me with a laser. I must first think of a proper defense, and lift my hammer to block, without me taking action, i will get shot, then u have to take into account if said attacker shoots multiple times
Fair enough.... But..
Even every street level has these types of feats.
We can sit around and pretend that Thor's feats are somehow more legitimate but at the end of the day they ARE feats reproduced by every comic hero worth his salt.
That's why his in-fight performances matter so much vs. random one-off feats of deflecting a bullet or lazer fire.
Fact is, if you're going to try and assert that Thor's hammer moving at FTL speed is somehow a reflection of his physical abilities then you first have to ignore the fact that the speed of his hammer has been stated on panel as being a byproduct of magic AND THEN you should be able to find comparible feats of Thor doing the same things without the hammer. That isn't really the case.
Alternatively, Thor has a ton of old comics where his speed is cataloged on panel second by second when he's seperated from his hammer and frankly none of those instances ever impressed. 😬
Originally posted by jinzin
Fair enough.... But..Even every street level has these types of feats.
We can sit around and pretend that Thor's feats are somehow more legitimate but at the end of the day they ARE feats reproduced by every comic hero worth his salt.That's why his in-fight performances matter so much vs. random one-off feats of deflecting a bullet or lazer fire.
Fact is, if you're going to try and assert that Thor's hammer moving at FTL speed is somehow a reflection of his physical abilities then you first have to ignore the fact that the speed of his hammer has been stated on panel as being a byproduct of magic AND THEN you should be able to find comparible feats of Thor doing the same things without the hammer. That isn't really the case.Alternatively, Thor has a ton of old comics where his speed is cataloged on panel second by second when he's seperated from his hammer and frankly none of those instances ever impressed. 😬
Good argument, and that would be the case if not for except Thor is rarely depicted sans hammer...
Originally posted by Slaaneshi think it is funny that Thor has bn stated more than once by narrators and his opponents and even himself that he has the speed of the lightning that he commands.
from someone like Supes or Flash..he can't..Thor doesn't have super speed..it'll be stupid if he can actually react to them if they go all out with their speed..
they should show it more in artistic depiction with blurs and after images.. rather than a fist fight where he pounds someone down and he looks like he is moving at normal human speed.
Originally posted by Sin I AMnope.
scans?
u can find one or two where Mjolnir chases and follows an opponent and avoiding ppl...
Mjolnir finding its own way back to earth or asgard after a cosmic battle... I believe one of the last time was when doom was in hell and saw Mjolnir traversing reality.
Doom felt the Drama and battle that had occurred during the death of the gods.
Thor has used Mjonlir to project images like holograms.. the last time iirc was the guy who wanted Thor to revive his daughter.
Beta Ray Bill himself has said that the Odin Power that resides within his own hammer has memories and emotions of who Galactus was and even told BRB Galactus name through impression of course.
The Hammer can actually decide on its own of who can lift and hold it even to the point where Thor, BRB could be deprived of their power if their cause is not just.
like i said, its Quasi Sentient.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
nope.u can find one or two where Mjolnir chases and follows an opponent and avoiding ppl...
Mjolnir finding its own way back to earth or asgard after a cosmic battle... I believe one of the last time was when doom was in hell and saw Mjolnir traversing reality.
Doom felt the Drama and battle that had occurred during the death of the gods.
Thor has used Mjonlir to project images like holograms.. the last time iirc was the guy who wanted Thor to revive his daughter.
Beta Ray Bill himself has said that the Odin Power that resides within his own hammer has memories and emotions of who Galactus was and even told BRB Galactus name through impression of course.
The Hammer can actually decide on its own of who can lift and hold it even to the point where Thor, BRB could be deprived of their power if their cause is not just.
like i said, its Quasi Sentient.
by that description a lantern ring is quasi-sentient...which it is not
