Can Thor Respond To A Speedblitz?

Originally posted by -Pr-
"Far faster" is debatable, which is the point.

What?

Thor doesnt have the fts to suggest he is capable of handling blitzes from people like Supes, Flash, Gladiator, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, with a hammer shot. His versatility would have to come into play once he gains the momentum to counter this attack.

Thor is fast but he's not as fast as the characters mentioned above. That's why CIS is a beautiful rule on KMC.

I said "wow" because you said I don't know Thor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
People can react to things far faster than they can move their bodies. I can hit a ball travelling at 80mph, but I can't run that fast.

The human & ball situation is roughly like Thor & classic Quicksilver. Yes, he can respond to that level of blitz quite well.

But Thor against a high-end Supes, Flash etc. is more like a human against a bullet at millions of times normal bullet speed. There is no chance. His neurons wouldn't even register what was happening. There is nothing that indicates he could respond. That's just Marvel - their characters don't operate at that level (and plot-wise that's a good thing).

Originally posted by -Pr-
If the blitz is in any kind of perceivable pattern, then it's not impossible to predict where someone will be.

I'm not Thor. His perceptions are far faster than mine.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree due to Thors history. If Superman fought effectively, Thor shouldn't land a hammer shot. I wouldn't put Thor combat speed over Mongul...you get the point.

which showings in thors history would make u believe he would get owned by a speedblitz. If he can respond to flying thru meteor showers at the speed of light, blocking bullets, lasers, blocking nefarias HV, Kallarks attempt at a speedblitz (which according to u Carver is "100 times the speed of light"😉...mjolnir does not help him predict anything, it doesnt guide him...so his perception and reaction times must be close to the level

Originally posted by Slaanesh
u can't react to light speed attack if u don't have speed close or equal to lighspeed..and Thor doesn't have that kinda speed..not even close..it's ridiculous to think he can react to it..maybe he can in a comic..but this is a forum..

He has on panel feats wherein Thor was able to react and counter such speeds.

and the last part, dear lord... yes, this is a forum, and we base a character's abilities base on their on panel feats in "comics". So yeah, if Thor can do those shit in a comic, he sure as hell is capable of doing it in a forum fight.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
he had a hard time against Wolverine and says Wolverine is fast..Thor doesn't have super speed..it's not in his powerset..but he can fly very fast with Mjonlir..

We've seen him digging a trench at super speed, seeming to appear everywhere in combat e.t.c e.t.c.

So he ceretainly does have super speed. The question is if its speed on Spiderman's level, or speed on classic quicksilver's level. I admit theres little evidence to support the latter (without the aid of Mjolnir that is).

Unless Thor is really focus on whoever he is up against. I know Thor has been hit against foes his equal or less.

Yes, to an extent. Just because Superman decides to suddenly use his speed effectively wouldn't mean it's an auto win but Thor can't counter in a regular manner. If Superman has already gotten in close enough to unleash an Imperiex Probe type blitz, Thor would need to use his more versatile nature. I don't think he should be able to land a normal punch.

His not a speedster though, never has been, not in the classic sense. He definitely has the ability to perceive objects moving at incredibly velocity, for example, I think he'd be able to track even the Silver Surfer if he was flying at trans light speeds, which coupled with his instincts/reflexes allows him to mount a very good initial defense. Thor's speed also depends on the situation/opponent more so than his other physical traits because it's so ill-defined.

One thing that seems to happen in comics often that's usually overlooked is the trade off of power for speed. A dozen super blurry blows aren't any more effective than one regular swing most of the time. Weird.

Originally posted by carver9
I said "wow" because you said I don't know Thor.

You don't. ermm

Short answer? No.

Somebody supersonic in battle speed with sufficient strength should pulverize him in hand to hand, as long as he covers the distance from him to Thor before the latter is able to mount a defensive.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
which showings in thors history would make u believe he would get owned by a speedblitz. If he can respond to flying thru meteor showers at the speed of light, blocking bullets, lasers, blocking nefarias HV, Kallarks attempt at a speedblitz (which according to u Carver is "100 times the speed of light"😉...mjolnir does not help him predict anything, it doesnt guide him...so his perception and reaction times must be close to the level

Hitting a 90mph baseball from 60ft is not the same as hitting one from 5ft away.

Flies move less than 5 mph yet it is more difficult to hit them than a 90mph baseball from 60ft (Thor's feats against bullets and lasers from a distance).

Thor can hit a fast straight attack coming from a distance but there is no proof that he can hit a similar one from up close or a slower one (yet still fast) bouncing around him.

People act like Thor can not deal with speed at all.

Even recently Thor finished off Quicksilver with ease, the same guy who was bragging about dodging lightning like it was nothing. Thor handled him and his speed very well. Yeah I know it wasn't in the context of QS speedblitzing him, but Thor was able to get QS on his back and pinned down and did it with what appeared to be little trouble.

Now do I think Thor would be able to out punch a Superman no but at the same point Thor isn't limited to just using his fists to counter a speedblitz and I think his reactions and perceptions are more than up to the challenge.

Originally posted by Newjak
People act like Thor can not deal with speed at all.

Even recently Thor finished off Quicksilver with ease, the same guy who was bragging about dodging lightning like it was nothing. Thor handled him and his speed very well. Yeah I know it wasn't in the context of QS speedblitzing him, but Thor was able to get QS on his back and pinned down and did it with what appeared to be little trouble.

Now do I think Thor would be able to out punch a Superman no but at the same point Thor isn't limited to just using his fists to counter a speedblitz and I think his reactions and perceptions are more than up to the challenge.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree due to Thors history. If Superman fought effectively, Thor shouldn't land a hammer shot. I wouldn't put Thor combat speed over Mongul...you get the point.

So do you also agree that if Superman fought effectively then Hulk wouldn't be able to land a punch on him?? 😛

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Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
And yet Thor also has plenty of showings depicting him as being able to move and react at super speeds.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
He has been mentioned to move faster than the eye can see, move as fast as the lightning he commands, dig trenches at speeds that he is a blur, react to instantaneous mental attacks attacks, react to lasers and energy beams, mentioned to move so fast that he seems to be everywhere, move at dazzling speeds (what ever the shit that means) and so on and so forth. Hell, he was even able to dodge his own hammer.

Mentioning a bunch of low end feats does not cancel out his higher end speed feats nor does me, mentioning a bunch of his higher end feats cancel out his low end feats.

On average, he is fast enough to react to super speed attacks and bull rushes. If he doesn't block or dodge that initial super speed assault, he is durable enough to tack some hits and react and counter accordingly.

And yes, I agree, Thor to my knowledge, has never been shown to be a speedster in combat. IMO, he can react to light speed attacks and speed blitz, but move at those speeds? Nah.

Originally posted by jinzin
Batman's dodged heat vision, Wolverine's batted away multiple optic blasts... the only thing those types of feats do is pad out pissing contests between fanboys about which characters are faster but they're still pretty common and generic feats. Thor's speed isn't something that's part of his basic plotlines. It isn't something routinely referenced or displayed like Spiderman for instance. It isn't something that's obviously part of his powerset like Quicksilver or Flash. It's something that impresses to the degree of every decent hero in comics.

Originally posted by jinzin
So does virtually EVER street level hero in comics. Thor isn't faster just because he's Thor.

No one's trying to "cancel" out his feats... But that list you just mentioned is again applicable to nearly EVERY street level comic hero worth his salt. Batman's dodged heat vision, Wolverine's batted away multiple optic blasts... the only thing those types of feats do is pad out pissing contests between fanboys about which characters are faster but they're still pretty common and generic feats. Thor's speed isn't something that's part of his basic plotlines. It isn't something routinely referenced or displayed like Spiderman for instance. It isn't something that's obviously part of his powerset like Quicksilver or Flash. It's something that impresses to the degree of every decent hero in comics. Alternatively the speed of Thor's opponents is brought up in a number of examples where he's left bewildered or at the very least put at strain to deal with it. Thor doesn't have the speed feats Superman does when it comes to blitzing, Superman doesn't have the limitations Thor does when it comes to fighting and until Thor becomes a character who gets depicted as blitzing his opponents or challenging speedsters in fist fights then he isn't one who's going to be able to deal with an attack as was posted on the first page... and yes... I agree with your last 2 parts there.

Hmm. I'll have to give this some serious consideration.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hitting a 90mph baseball from 60ft is not the same as hitting one from 5ft away.

Flies move less than 5 mph yet it is more difficult to hit them than a 90mph baseball from 60ft (Thor's feats against bullets and lasers from a distance).

Thor can hit a fast straight attack coming from a distance but there is no proof that he can hit a similar one from up close or a slower one (yet still fast) bouncing around him.

ok...im in a debating mood so i will play. I understand the baseball analogy but it does not fit in this scenario, because it takes less action and timing to scounter something that close when u have comparable speed.

Now. Thor has never had an issue dealing with DC level speedsters and on average does better than they would against him (Gladiator, Hyperion, Nefaria, Norrin, Sentry) , all the aforementioned have demonstrated the ability to speedblitz in DC fashion yet all have failed in there numerous fight against Thor to use it, with the exception of Kallark who loss tould be argued as PIS. That being said it is completely feasible that he would be able to deal with a blitz from Clark, Diana, or Barry.

I mean in a traditional sense no he isn't a "normal blitzer" simply because thats not his style and despite this he has been shown to catch/match speed gods (Hermes, Cabal, Zefar) as well as run-of-the-mill speedsters like Quicksilver.

Also many a naysayer will use the argument that it is not Odinson who accomplishes the feats, ie FTL space travel while dodging asteroids, the lava trench feat, parrying bullets/laser, blocking Phoenix psi-blast, Nefarias HV, etc..the will say it is all Mjolnir. Well le me go ahead and nip that argument in the bud.

It has been firmly established as canon that Mjolnir is just a representation of Thors' power. That "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor", NOT the other way around. Mjolnir is just a conduit for his abilities. Take the Celestial incident when Exitars dome was shattered (and mjolnir destroyed) as a result of the Godly energies poured from Thors being. That proves that his abilities are inherent, i mean the inscription on the side speaks for itself. Thor controls the hammer it is an extension of his innate abilities..say for example a rock (or multiple rocks) is thrown at ftl speed..it is his perception, his reflexes that fend off the attack. Mjolnir is not sentient, it is not a lantern ring, super computer, or a navigation system and there is nothing to suggest that. It is no different that WW lasso yet no one debates her ability.

At the end of the day he has fought and won the majority/looked superior in every battle with every superman clone marvel has to offer and superspeed never caused an issue

Originally posted by Newjak
People act like Thor can not deal with speed at all.

Even recently Thor finished off Quicksilver with ease, the same guy who was bragging about dodging lightning like it was nothing. Thor handled him and his speed very well. Yeah I know it wasn't in the context of QS speedblitzing him, but Thor was able to get QS on his back and pinned down and did it with what appeared to be little trouble.

Now do I think Thor would be able to out punch a Superman no but at the same point Thor isn't limited to just using his fists to counter a speedblitz and I think his reactions and perceptions are more than up to the challenge.

This.

People think that Thor simply has to respond with a well timed punch or hammer swing while ignoring that he really doesn't have to do that to hit someone faster than him. I think people feel that Thor needs to become an after image or blur more often in comics in order to deal with fast opponents, but he really doesn't have to. And clinging to Wolverine/Mongoose/Spider-Man in an attempt to claim that he's sorely outmatched while ignoring his fights against fast heralds and his instances of dealing with superspeed is pretty sad/hilarious.

Originally posted by Newjak
People act like Thor can not deal with speed at all.

Even recently Thor finished off Quicksilver with ease, the same guy who was bragging about dodging lightning like it was nothing. Thor handled him and his speed very well. Yeah I know it wasn't in the context of QS speedblitzing him, but Thor was able to get QS on his back and pinned down and did it with what appeared to be little trouble.

Now do I think Thor would be able to out punch a Superman no but at the same point Thor isn't limited to just using his fists to counter a speedblitz and I think his reactions and perceptions are more than up to the challenge.

Best post by far.