Originally posted by leonidas
in the next issue stranger gets his butt handed to him by overmind (who is quite powerful but still, seems stranger should have been able to take him--overmind couldn't do ANYTHING to quasar....)
Yeah but weren't both encounters (with Quasar & Stranger) strictly telepathic related?
Originally posted by zopzop
The thing people have to realize is, the Stranger has had one "ok" showing and lots of questionable showings for a being of his supposed rank and power in the cosmic hierarchy.The ONE "ok" showing was during the IG affair when he, Galactus and Eon took it to Thanos w/IG in a stupendous triple team attack.
He also stood alongside LT/Zeus/and I believe it was Lord Chaos in another team attack vs. Thanos & THOTU.
If it's worth anything, he also stalemated beams with Korvac with the moon caught in the middle after Stranger tried to use it as a weapon.
Originally posted by Uriel005
the point doesn't specifically refer to the LT. Don't deliberately ignore the point. The point is that there are beings that we understand to stand a certain place in the hierarchy of the universe. Many of them really don't have feats backing it up but we take it on good faith that they stand where the writers say they do simply because we don't have much other choice unless you want to disregard the character. So when someone like the stranger is saying that if the watchers try and force his hand he could beat the heroes and Uatu I'll have to take it on good faith that it is within his capabilities and that he doesn't care enough to really force the point.
👆 To add to that, the fear Stranger referred to was the potential of Earths inhabitants to somehow one day overcome those in the cosmic hierarchy. There was no fear whatsoever of the team that was currently present before him.
What a horrible analogy. I mean, utterly atrocious.
Anyways imo, feats of scale (At least if performed more than once), battles etc. place you in a certain tier, once there, it's track records that matter the most. It's not perfect, but I find that it's the method that most consistently fits with how comics work.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What a horrible analogy. I mean, utterly atrocious.
👆
again, implied power needs to be demonstrated to some extent to justify said standing. stranger has some decent feats and a lot of less-than feats. being a 'cosmic' is not reason in-and-of-itself to say a character is 'teh awesomezz!!11!'
@zop--i.....don't understand how that scan is a retcon at all. 😕
he told ss his people were studying others. but ss knew stranger told reed he was a composite being so he knew his people COULDN'T be studying. THAT was what he lied about. that scan just mean he lied to reed..... just to ss about the existence of his people. the whole quasar arc with the overmind came AFTER that ss arc and reconfirmed the origin.
Originally posted by rotiart
Guy222... What should be the truth is this...
Aunt may has a feat of putting spiderman in his place
TOAA does not have any feats of beating anyoneThis in a forum fight aunt may > TOAA.
and brute socked sue we don't say brute >>> exitar do we
toaa is the most powerful being we have in marvel as whoever dc has
that's not a good analogy friend
again, i don't mind anyone's opinion on whether they like odin to win because he has more feats or whether the stranger does not imho...odin was dismissed twice by uatu the stranger has faught the watchers before and survived uatu confirmed that with the secret no getting around that
and why does the watcher show up an event is gonna happen did odin forsee his death in thor 37-38 was uatu concerned read beyond #6 its clear as day
no one is gonna convince me the stranger is less powerful than uatu or odin simple hardheaded 😂 deal with it
last point friend this is a forum we all participate i do as well i don't 'debate' just told a friend that i do work with lawyers and a 'forum' this is see i simply get around the rules 😛
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What a horrible analogy. I mean, utterly atrocious.Anyways imo, feats of scale (At least if performed more than once), battles etc. place you in a certain tier, once there, it's track records that matter the most. It's not perfect, but I find that it's the method that most consistently fits with how comics work.
nicely said
and the stranger wins 😛
Originally posted by leonidas
👆again, implied power needs to be demonstrated to some extent to justify said standing. stranger has some decent feats and a lot of less-than feats. being a 'cosmic' is not reason in-and-of-itself to say a character is 'teh awesomezz!!11!'
@zop--i.....don't understand how that scan is a retcon at all. 😕
he told ss his people were studying others. but ss knew stranger told reed he was a composite being so he knew his people COULDN'T be studying. THAT was what he lied about. that scan just mean he lied to reed..... just to ss about the existence of his people. the whole quasar arc with the overmind came AFTER that ss arc and reconfirmed the origin.
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Originally posted by leonidas
@zop--i.....don't understand how that scan is a retcon at all. 😕he told ss his people were studying others. but ss knew stranger told reed he was a composite being so he knew his people COULDN'T be studying. THAT was what he lied about. that scan just mean he lied to reed..... just to ss about the existence of his people. the whole quasar arc with the overmind came AFTER that ss arc and reconfirmed the origin.
That scan proved he was a liar (not just about his origin). It was confirmed in the FF Annual when Kubik took Kosmos on a tour of creation. Stranger wasn't grouped with the "composite beings" but in his own category and Kubik stated "his origin a mystery, perhaps even to himself".
All of this was on panel and confirmed again in his handbook entry. I can post those if you like too.
Originally posted by zopzop
That scan proved he was a liar (not just about his origin). It was confirmed in the FF Annual when Kubik took Kosmos on a tour of creation. Stranger wasn't grouped with the "composite beings" but in his own category and Kubik stated "his origin a mystery, perhaps even to himself".All of this was on panel and confirmed again in his handbook entry. I can post those if you like too.
that's fine. stranger is a liar. doesn't mean we automatically assume EVERYTHING he says is a lie. the quasar stuff happened AFTER the ss stuff. so even if you want to somehow say that ss stuff was a retcon (don't see how) then the quasar stuff reconfirmed his origin anyway. as far as the mystery surrounding him--no one really has ever said or described just HOW the merger occurred, or what exactly the stranger is aside from a collection of intelligences. that would pretty easily explain away kubik's questions. i'm not sure when that kubik issue happened. if it was in the late 80's, it would also be BEFORE the quasar stuff and so irrelevent anyway. 😬 if it came after, it in no way contradicts what we know about his origin either.
Originally posted by leonidas
that's fine. stranger is a liar. doesn't mean we automatically assume EVERYTHING he says is a lie. the quasar stuff happened AFTER the ss stuff. so even if you want to somehow say that ss stuff was a retcon (don't see how) then the quasar stuff reconfirmed his origin anyway. as far as the mystery surrounding him--no one really has ever said or described just HOW the merger occurred, or what exactly the stranger is aside from a collection of intelligences. that would pretty easily explain away kubik's questions. i'm not sure when that kubik issue happened. if it was in the late 80's, it would also be BEFORE the quasar stuff and so irrelevent anyway. 😬 if it came after, it in no way contradicts what we know about his origin either.
Nope the Kubik/Kosmos cosmic tour took place in 1990 (Fantastic Four Annual 23) same year as the Quasar Journey into Mystery arc. The Handbook entry confirming that no one knows the Stranger's origin came out in 2006.
Originally posted by zopzop
Nope the Kubik/Kosmos cosmic tour took place in 1990 (Fantastic Four Annual 23) same year as the Quasar Journey into Mystery arc. The Handbook entry confirming that no one knows the Stranger's origin came out in 2006.
2006? what does it say exactly? the online handbook entries all confirm the composite nature of the stranger but say that the 'how' of his formation is still not understood. i just find it hard to believe marvel's online sources would be so different from the handbooks.
Originally posted by leonidas
2006? what does it say exactly? the online handbook entries all confirm the composite nature of the stranger but say that the 'how' of his formation is still not understood. i just find it hard to believe marvel's online sources would be so different from the handbooks.
I'm talking about the Official Handbook (comic version 2006 edition). Oh and here it is from the Stranger himself (or he could be lying again), from that very Quasar arc (Journey into Mystery) :
To recap, there is zero proof he's a composite being. He admits it in this Quasar issue (Quasar 16), confirmed by Kubik (Fantastic Four 23) and the official handbook entry (2006).
Originally posted by zopzop
I'm talking about the Official Handbook (comic version 2006 edition). Oh and here it is from the Stranger himself (or he could be lying again), from that very Quasar arc (Journey into Mystery) :To recap, there is zero proof he's a composite being. He admits it in this Quasar issue (Quasar 16), confirmed by Kubik (Fantastic Four 23) and the official handbook entry (2006).
Admittedly, if happened in a What If, but didnt Korvac blast The Stranger into the component beings that he was formed from?
