Originally posted by Stoic
In the case of WB Hulk, I doubt that a flurry of Super Speed punches are putting him down. Forces greater than what he shows on average were unable to effect him on a physical level, and I'm not talking about the heavy hits that he took from 3 class 100's, but the destructive impact that was able to turn more than one planet to dust. This battle however hinges on the fact that fighting in tandem with partners may hinder the amount that he can amp, unless Thor shield himself and Black Bolt from the Hulk going completely berserk.Soulfire Darkseid's body was composed of an unknown substance, which was not me low balling but stating that it can not be used, because no one knows how tough his body was. Superman himself seemed surprised that he was easily able to fracture him in that way, and fear for Darkseids mortality. I would agree somewhat with you, but Superman has fought Darkseid before this, and knew how hard to generally hit Darkseid under normal conditions. As I said before, this is an unquantifiable feat, because Darkseid under normal conditions would not have shattered from such an impact.
The Lobo & Val head bump was a low showing of both characters involved, which is why I wasn't impressed not that I was low-balling the feat. You know as well as i do that Lobo has a ridiculous damage soak, and should have never been KO'd, by a head shot of this caliber.
You are doing what you are trying to deny i.e. Lowballing. Darkseid was amped with soulfire formula and there is no indication that it lowered his durability considering that he shrugged off Source's attacks and battled with soul of orion with just half the formula and was undamaged. They were releasing so much energy that superman couldn't go there in fear he might did. You would be right if Kal hasn't already koed valor with a single slam and nearly killed lobo with a single punch. Now you would try to tell me that every time superman has a high showing it's a low showing for others, right.