Cytorrak vs Lucifer Morningstar

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Doesn't even the LT use Cytorraks power on occasion?

Wasn't there a scan where Cytorrak says something along the lines of "heaven, hell...it's all the same thing. it's all my power?"

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Wasn't there a scan where Cytorrak says something along the lines of "heaven, hell...it's all the same thing. it's all my power?"

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Wasn't there a scan where Cytorrak says something along the lines of "heaven, hell...it's all the same thing. it's all my power?"

my bad. Minus the question mark, then.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Cytorakk is too low of an entity for LT to find any use of

But he did though. He invoked them against Dr. Strange. This was after the Zom incident so it's like 40+ years old. But he did invoke Cyttorak's name and bands in an attack against Strange.

Originally posted by zopzop
But he did though. He invoked them against Dr. Strange. This was after the Zom incident so it's like 40+ years old. But he did invoke Cyttorak's name and bands in an attack against Strange.

And I'll mantain that stance until someone shows me the panels

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Without going to go look at that, it was the Rings of Raggador

And I'll mantain that stance until someone shows me the panels

Yup, you were right.

The color of the bands threw me off.

Okay. Got me there.

Hmm...

All I can come up with for Cytorraks side is that he is the strongest Octessence.

Cytorrak got owned by Juggernaut in his own realm.

Then Juggernaut owned himself because without Cytorrak he's powerless.

Funny shit if you ask me.

I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below.

it just means he doesn't CARE, not that he is more powerful than any of those entities. he was lumped in with mephisto and a bunch of others recently during the serpent mess.

he is most certainly not above lt. not even close. i'd say he's in the same tier as dormammu and the other splinter realm lords. maybe a little above, but not much.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below.

just f***** wow 😐

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I think I may be looking at this entirely wrong if some of you think that this is spite in favor of Luci. I'll tell you my perspective:

If good and evil are both the same to Cytorrak...I take that as all of heaven and hell are nothing to him. That should include characters like Zadkiel, Mephisto, and even Lucifer Morningstar regardless if he shaped a universe.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong here but I think Cytorrak is also more powerful than LT, however Cytorrak is not vulnerable from the judgement that would keep him in his place, therefore ultimately he is below.

I'm been doing some research, and I'm a little iffy about the term "God." Like...Odin is a God, but then you have characters that are "Gods of Death." Isn't Cytorrak a God-like being, let alone the God that provides limitless power to people like Juggy?

I'm almost ready to say that Cytorrak is a powerful enough being where they (christ and the anti-christ?) would be the little angel or devils on his shoulder, but he decides his own fate because they can only attempt to influence him.

ah, screw it:

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nothing you said makes any sense.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I'm been doing some research, and I'm a little iffy about the term "God." Like...Odin is a God, but then you have characters that are "Gods of Death." Isn't Cytorrak a God-like being, let alone the God that provides limitless power to people like Juggy?

I'm almost ready to say that Cytorrak is a powerful enough being where they (christ and the anti-christ?) would be the little angel or devils on his shoulder, but he decides his own fate because they can only attempt to influence him.

dude your research sucks, dont take it personal but it seems like you did the research based on titles, you actually think lucifer morningstar is DC version of mephisto and you actually think cyttorak is more powerful than living tribunal because he has the title "GOD"? dude......

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Nothing you said makes any sense.

How doesn't it make sense? Heaven and Hell are opposites. One is "good" and one is "evil." And none of them mean anything to Cytorrak.

Zadkiel is from "Heaven" and Mephisto is from Hell. Why couldn't Mephisto replicate Luci feat of shaping a universe if put in that position to do so?

It technically shouldn't matter of who was the first creation, although in this particular thread I went ahead and used Lucifer Morningstar.

Originally posted by blue_beast
dude your research sucks, dont take it personal but it seems like you did the research based on titles, you actually think lucifer morningstar is DC version of mephisto and you actually think cyttorak is more powerful than living tribunal because he has the title "GOD"? dude......

I won't take it personal. I just want to know why.

And in truth, I may have said it wrong. No, I'm not confused about him being a "god" in that aspect. What I'm saying is...Gods can represent things. The way I see it, Cytorrak represents something more, that even Hellish beings such as Morningstar utilize for their capabilities.

Lawlz.

Mornigstar turns Cytorrak into cranberry juice. His probably in the same tier as Odin and the other high end mystical entities, he doesn't have any feats to suggest that he beats Lucifer.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
galactus and his ship got caught up in cyttoraks crimson bands and it prevented them from escaping.
then he sent his herald to investigate there source, where cyttorak told him he doesnt give a **** about what goes on outside his universe

Does anyone know the comic in which this happened?

I'm willing to bet Colossus' interpretation has a....twist on the events.