Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
As someone who hates Fire Emblem, but enjoys playing their characters in Smash Bros, Lucina is an absolute waste of a character slot. She's officially the most redundant clone I think this series has ever had, and in the fourth installment of the franchise, that's seriously disappointing. Making a clone-inherently redundant-, but then making the moveset that of of a character that already had a clone, and a FEMALE clone of an explicitly feminine male character, you're just being ****ing lazy even beyond the blue haired sword wielder character design. This isn't a genuine addition, this is fanservice and status quo bullshit.Captain Falcon's return was the big news here. I'm just hoping he plays closer to Melee than he did in Brawl, I always thought he was the biggest victim of the transition and physics change.
But yeah, happy as I am with like Rosalina's inclusion and such, can't really deny that we're getting a bit of an overabundance of females this time around just for the sake of adding them. Personally, could do with less pretty bois & waifus and more villains or something.
Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
Because 2 games later, I expect some freaking effort in the developer's parts to diversify and perhaps even dilute clones' similarities. Ergo, Falco's at-least subtle transition from Melee to Brawl.
On clones in general, we could still end up getting more if the Dark Pit tease is any indication... 😘 If they make Dark Samus an assist trophy though, then Dark Pit shouldn't get any better treatment.
Just caught the footage myself. Yeah, I have to agree that it seems like a poor choice of a character slot. I mean, I like her, and the video was entertaining enough, but so far it seems like she brings absolutely nothing new to the table, unlike Robin. I'm going to be annoyed if her schtick ends up being tips and she has greater range than Marth, too. That'd be just rude.
So I've never really understood this concept of a wasted character slot (or a character slot at all; they're not limited to a certain number.) Do people think that Lucina is somehow preventing another character from getting in or something? The way I see it, inclusion of one character does not exclude another, so I'm not seeing what's so "wasteful" about it.
Anyway, I'm neutral on Lucina. Never used her much in Awakening, don't really plan on using her here. I'm maining Samus regardless, so I don't much care who else gets in.
Originally posted by The Scenario
So I've never really understood this concept of a wasted character slot (or a character slot at all; they're not limited to a certain number.) Do people think that Lucina is somehow preventing another character from getting in or something? The way I see it, inclusion of one character does not exclude another, so I'm not seeing what's so "wasteful" about it.Anyway, I'm neutral on Lucina. Never used her much in Awakening, don't really plan on using her here. I'm maining Samus regardless, so I don't much care who else gets in.
Characters consume time and resources to be put into the game, so you could basically say she was a waste of time and effort. That's the same amount that could have been invested in a character that's ACTUALLY new. You think they would have gotten over this after Melee!
Even though I could barely give a shit about playing as her, I'm kinda still hoping she only shares Marth's specials while having original everything else (kinda like Ness and Lucas, for example). I actually plan to watch it again to see if I can find anything like that.
In fact, why can't more people learn from Luigi? He shares, what? Maybe two... three moves with Mario, AT MOST? They're almost entirely distinguishable beyond that, and it actually makes it possible to enjoy playing as both of them.
I'm honestly floored when I see some people stand opposed to additions such as Krystal on the assumed grounds that they would have "predictable movesets", yet they clamor rabidly for shit like Lucina, or Toon Zelda, or some other brand of redundant, nonsensical crap.
I'm with BloodRaw: Captain Falcon's return really is the only news here, and some of these reveals, while they've been mostly exciting, do reek hard of fanservice. In which case, I wouldn't be too surprised if the next reveal (assuming there will be one) did showcase Krystal. I'd be cool with that so long as she showed legitimate promise.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
Characters consume time and resources to be put into the game, so you could basically say she was a waste of time and effort. That's the same amount that could have been invested in a character that's ACTUALLY new. You think they would have gotten over this after Melee!
I guess what I'm asking is why that matters. The developers put in certain characters and we have no way of knowing who is even up for consideration. We don't know how big the roster is. It's hardly taking away from a new character that might not even be in the running. Even so, Nintendo is not afraid of delaying their games if they need more time. Brawl was delayed, and honestly I'm not putting a lot of stock in this game's release schedule, either. If anything they could afford to stop producing these fully voice acted CGI and animated trailers if time and effort were an actual concern for them.
And if Lucina is truly a "lazy" clone as has been said, Nintendo is being accused of reusing assets and not spending much time and effort on her at all...
Though I will agree on Lucina being pure fanservice. She's easily one of the most popular characters in Awakening.
While I agreed that Lucina was a blatant clone and fanservice, I never said that she "wasted" an actual character slot (and with how we got Toon Link revealed way earlier, the return of some clones shouldn't be anything new). If anything did that though, it would be the Mii's, especially as they can't be used online. Thank god for that at least, as we'd be seeing almost nothing but Mii's of celebrities and Hitler online. Still, it was development time and resources that could've been put into three other characters.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
I'm honestly floored when I see some people stand opposed to additions such as Krystal on the assumed grounds that they would have "predictable movesets", yet they clamor rabidly for shit like Lucina, or Toon Zelda, or some other brand of redundant, nonsensical crap.
Lucina > Furry Bait
Originally posted by The Scenario
I guess what I'm asking is why that matters. The developers put in certain characters and we have no way of knowing who is even up for consideration. We don't know how big the roster is. It's hardly taking away from a new character that might not even be in the running. Even so, Nintendo is not afraid of delaying their games if they need more time. Brawl was delayed, and honestly I'm not putting a lot of stock in this game's release schedule, either. If anything they could afford to stop producing these fully voice acted CGI and animated trailers if time and effort were an actual concern for them.And if Lucina is truly a "lazy" clone as has been said, Nintendo is being accused of reusing assets and not spending much time and effort on her at all...
Though I will agree on Lucina being pure fanservice. She's easily one of the most popular characters in Awakening.
As always, you make a fair point, but for those who might have been excited for Lucina, isn't it kinda just a slap to the dick for them? What of the people who wanted Chrom but didnt get him? I almost feel bad for Chrom in this case seeing as they ditched him for a mere inclusion in Robin's Final Smash (again, obligatory fanservice, and again, kinda insulting) and kept Lucina. It's as if her inclusion was based purely on relevance (I know you all see it, too), but the desire for her inclusion and any actual potential she might have had as a character feels wasted.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
While I agreed that Lucina was a blatant clone and fanservice, I never said that she "wasted" an actual character slot (and with how we got Toon Link revealed way earlier, the return of some clones shouldn't be anything new). If anything did that though, it would be the Mii's, especially as they can't be used online. Thank god for that at least, as we'd be seeing almost nothing but Mii's of celebrities and Hitler online. Still, it was development time and resources that could've been put into three other characters.
I was a bit bothered by the Miis myself. It's kinda like they're just pushing software. Mario Kart 8 I can understand, but Smash? And I know it's not because they were running out of ideas since there's still plenty of people who can be added.
Originally posted by ares834
Lucina > Furry Bait
If Krystal makes it, and her moveset has more thought put into it than Lucina's, you owe me a steak. uhuh
Originally posted by The Scenario
[B]So I've never really understood this concept of a wasted character slot (or a character slot at all; they're not limited to a certain number.) Do people think that Lucina is somehow preventing another character from getting in or something? The way I see it, inclusion of one character does not exclude another, so I'm not seeing what's so "wasteful" about it.
There's actually no such thing "wasted slot". It's time that they're using because like you said, there isn't a predetermined number of characters. It was Lucina or nobody.
For instance when Melee was in development, they were running low on time and Sakurai stated that he could have done one more character, but he wanted to have the roster a little bigger, so he added the six clones at the last minute because they took nowhere near the amount of time as a unique character.
Incorrect on the "Lucina or nobody" part. It seems Chrom was actually planned initially, but Sakurai didn't want to add him in the end since he didn't feel he would have a unique moveset as another swordsman and overall would just not be fun to develop/have in the game..
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=121384840
Lucina gets a free pass on the not entirely unique aspect though since she's female, but if Chrom had been added she would've just been an alt skin of Marth apparently, like how there's the male and female Robin.
Originally posted by ares834
Nah. He just figured Chrom wasn't unique enough to put in. Lucina didn't take his slot or anything.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Incorrect on the "Lucina or nobody" part. It seems Chrom was actually planned initially, but Sakurai didn't want to add him in the end since he didn't feel he would have a unique moveset as another swordsman and overall would just not be fun to develop/have in the game..http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=121384840
Lucina gets a free pass on the not entirely unique aspect though since she's female, but if Chrom had been added she would've just been an alt skin of Marth apparently, like how there's the male and female Robin.
Putting it that way makes it sound like this whole Gematsu whatever isn't as invalid or discredited as people seem to think it was after Lucina's reveal. I didn't even hear of it until then, and the only currently unconfirmed character I particularly want to see is Shulk (though my favorite character was always Dunban, but Shulk is up there too, and the Monado is kick-ass weapon). Granted, it also makes Lucina's addition even more forced really.
So yeah, if people don't like the word 'waste' I won't use it, but she's definitely still a benchwarmer excuse of an addition for her playstyle, regardless of whatever ****ing gender she is. Robin doesn't interest me much, but s/he at least has a niftier approach.