Originally posted by Sin I AM
thats what i was thinking...even if his hf functioned differently somehow, he should still die ...your body cant self resitate when the heart stops beating
Wolverine was burnt, exploded, hit by a nuke and it disinterested him all the way down to the bone (happened more than once)...he didn't have a heart and he still healed in a couple of panels. Wolverine body/healing factor bypass real world logic.
Originally posted by carver9I don't even need to look that issue up because I know you're reffering to the sparring match. Spider-man only used very few web strings, if you honestly want to argue Wolverine's strength vs. Webbing "strength" you would be done in like 2 posts, the feats of Spider-mans webbing by far outmatch Wolverine's strength feats by both quantity and quality.
Marvel Knights 13, #13.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I don't even need to look that issue up because I know you're reffering to the sparring match. Spider-man only used very few web strings, if you honestly want to argue Wolverine's strength vs. Webbing "strength" you would be done in like 2 posts, the feats of Spider-mans webbing by far outmatch Wolverine's strength feats by both quantity and quality.
It wasn't just a strength ft...Wolverine was slicing through it along with dodging Spidey webbing and brought the fight "up close and personal". Wolverine have the reflexes to dodge Spidey webbing and he also have the fts.
Originally posted by carver9Then you should take a closer look at the post that I replied to with "Simple, he can't"
It wasn't just a strength ft...Wolverine was slicing through it along with dodging Spidey webbing and brought the fight "up close and personal". Wolverine have the reflexes to dodge Spidey webbing and he also have the fts.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Simple, he can't.
Indeed.
No one bothers to give explanations they just either ignore the question or say he would "cut out of it"
also I happen to have that issue of marvel knights.......
Ive read it and brought it up in conversation between these many Spidy Vs Wolvie fights and after lengthy arguing it always comes down to an agreement on both sides that this fight IS NOT an accurate portrayal of either one of them.
And just in general, we have examples for both sides on pretty much every category, Wolverine succeeding and failing to tag Spidey, Spidey webbing him up and failing, Spider-man hurting him and failing and Spider-man hurting his hand on adamantium and not hurting it.
I said that long ago in the gigantic Wolverine vs. Spider-man thread it's not a stomp on any side. I personally go with Spidey webbing him up for a clear majority or you give Spidey a Battlefield that favors him like a construction site, if the fight is in the white empty room and both go strictly physical Wolverine takes it 9/10 and only 9 because I'm a big Spider-man fan that won't give a 10/10 to Wolverine.
Originally posted by MARCMANtheDUDE
Here is what I do not get with the debate:If spiderman has web and can lift 20 tons and so on, then is there i reason he would not simply web the sh!t out of wolverine then saunter over and rip off his head then dump it to the bottom of the ocean (theoretically)
Maybe that's what he would like to do, but he's got a terrible record of when it comes to trying to web Wolverine up.... 😬
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Even with the one good example there is of Spiderman managing to pull it off in that alley encounter, Wolverine STILL got out the moment he decided to. He said he was just waiting and hoping the webbing was going to dissolve faster, which really is PIS as if the guy who takes swan dives out of airplanes, and sits in cars strapped with C4 of his own free will is about be scared of poking himself in the head a little?
Maybe some people feel Spiderman "should" be able to easily web up Logan, but that hasn't been in the case in almost half a dozen examples including these ones.
And yeah, drowning Logan only works as long as you keep drowning him so that's not a permanent solution either. And we've seen this demonstrated with the tiger shark moment, the Sabretooth moment, and then further suggested by the Wayverine Deadpool fight.
And yeah, Spiderman's scared of Wolverine, and he should be. Wolverine is a LETHAL melee combatant. Spiderman having "tougher, bigger, badder" foes isn't really a reason to discard that fact. Most of Spiderman's foes may have more elaborate powers than Wolverine, but they're not as effective in combat. Wolverine is a broken character for most melee confrontations.
That's why Shield regarded him on a higher threat level than Spiderman.
That's why the 198 files classify him as a "severe" level threat
That's why he has a reputation spanning the universe, the multiverse, and pantheons on high.
This isn't news. Just because he's barely a 5 foot midget doesn't mean he's not dangerous, and that's what scares Spidey, he's dangerous, and wildly unpredictable at times.
Not sure what you think this thread "debunked" but if it was that simple a conclusion to come to, we wouldn't have a 1000 page thread about it, don't be so obtuse.
Originally posted by jinzinBecause "danger" is what scares Spider-man the most? 😐
Maybe that's what he would like to do, but he's got a terrible record of when it comes to trying to web Wolverine up.... 😬http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6610/max0006gn9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8474/mksm1322dc1.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1142/webs2nk6.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/3614/webbingfails.jpg
Even with the one good example there is of Spiderman managing to pull it off in that alley encounter, Wolverine STILL got out the moment he decided to. He said he was just waiting and hoping the webbing was going to dissolve faster, which really is PIS as if the guy who takes swan dives out of airplanes, and sits in cars strapped with C4 of his own free will is about be scared of poking himself in the head a little?
Maybe some people feel Spiderman "should" be able to easily web up Logan, but that hasn't been in the case in almost half a dozen examples including these ones.
And yeah, drowning Logan only works as long as you keep drowning him so that's not a permanent solution either. And we've seen this demonstrated with the tiger shark moment, the Sabretooth moment, and then further suggested by the Wayverine Deadpool fight.
And yeah, Spiderman's scared of Wolverine, and he should be. Wolverine is a LETHAL melee combatant. Spiderman having "tougher, bigger, badder" foes isn't really a reason to discard that fact. Most of Spiderman's foes may have more elaborate powers than Wolverine, but they're not as effective in combat. Wolverine is a broken character for most melee confrontations.
That's why Shield regarded him on a higher threat level than Spiderman.
That's why the 198 files classify him as a "severe" level threat
That's why he has a reputation spanning the universe, the multiverse, and pantheons on high.This isn't news. Just because he's barely a 5 foot midget doesn't mean he's not dangerous, and that's what scares Spidey, he's dangerous, and wildly unpredictable at times.
Not sure what you think this thread "debunked" but if it was that simple a conclusion to come to, we wouldn't have a 1000 page thread about it, don't be so obtuse.
You think Wolverine not using his claws right away was PIS but Spider-man being scared isnt?
Its not like Spider-man was scared of Wolverine because of his amazing cqc skills. He was just "affraid to be killed by a mad man". Apparently because risking his life for others is something totally new to him and it wasn't shown a few HUNDRED times that he's willing to die as long as he does it while helping others.😐 This is PIS at its worst. To make a comparisson - if Wolverine started crying because someone stepped on his foot, not even that would be a PIS/CIS example as bad as this one.
And thankfully, that was a one-time thing. Spider-man wasnt affraid of Wolverine when they first met, and he didnt display simillar fear of him in the later encounters. And I dont see a single logical reason why he should.
And it doesnt matter how skilled your oponnent is if you're affraid of the very idea of "dying". Getting stabbed to death is getting stabbed death whether it's Jack the Ripper or Jackie Chun with a machette who stabs you. For some reason in that book Spider-man was generally affraid to die and it effected him to the point where he couldnt fight back at first. That controdicts his entire history and is plain retarded no matter how you look at it
As for webbing, books suggest Spider-man can't web him up. But the thing is, plot often prevents him from using a bigger amount of webbing during fights. Because of that reason he even failed to web up a loser like Scarecrow. But we know for a fact he can create a giant wall of webbing or a 20 foot radius web ball all within seconds. He'd never try it to end a fight instantly in a book but we know he can.
Originally posted by SamZED
Because "danger" is what scares Spider-man the most? 😐You think Wolverine not using his claws right away was PIS but Spider-man being scared isnt?
Its not like Spider-man was scared of Wolverine because of his amazing cqc skills. He was just "affraid to be killed by a mad man". Apparently because risking his life for others is something totally new to him and it wasn't shown a few HUNDRED times that he's willing to die as long as he does it while helping others.😐 This is PIS at its worst. To make a comparisson - if Wolverine started crying because someone stepped on his foot, not even that would be a PIS/CIS example as bad as this one.
And thankfully, that was a one-time thing. Spider-man wasnt affraid of Wolverine when they first met, and he didnt display simillar fear of him in the later encounters. And I dont see a single logical reason why he should.And it doesnt matter how skilled your oponnent is if you're affraid of the very idea of "dying". Getting stabbed to death is getting stabbed death whether it's Jack the Ripper or Jackie Chun with a machette who stabs you. For some reason in that book Spider-man was generally affraid to die and it effected him to the point where he couldnt fight back at first. That controdicts his entire history and is plain retarded no matter how you look at it
As for webbing, books suggest Spider-man can't web him up. But the thing is, plot often prevents him from using a bigger amount of webbing during fights. Because of that reason he even failed to web up a loser like Scarecrow. But we know for a fact he can create a giant wall of webbing or a 20 foot radius web ball all within seconds. He'd never try it to end a fight instantly in a book but we know he can.
Thing is, I'm talking about their overall relationship with one another, not just in that book, I wasn't referencing that book specifically. Spiderman is afraid of Wolverine approximately half of the time. Yeah sometimes he gets pissed off at Wolverine but when he's not pissed with Wolverine he's afraid of him. It's part of their dynamic... and if you don't see the difference between comparing how Spiderman might feel about his typical Saturday morning villain who might have some nice powers, and talk a good game, and a psycho who Spiderman has witnessed killing dozens of men, who has a death count literally in the tens of thousands if not more, and who goes rounds and takes down opposition like the Hulk, stalemates his hero Captain America, and has a better track record against those bad guys than he does himself... Well.... I'm not sure what to tell you. Fact is, Wolverine's killed more people than most of Spiderman's rogues gallery combined and as dangerous as Spiderman has made Lizard out to be in the past, Wolverine effortlessly made quick work of him. How many of Spiderman's baddy's have feats comparible to things like Wolverine killing or incapacitating over 200 super villains? They don't.
What I would assume makes him maybe a bit more threatening is the simple fact that he's a good guy... or at least he's supposed to be. Having someone you know is an enemy is a lot easier to deal with than someone who's supposed to be your friend/ally but might stab you at any minute.
As for the webbing, sometimes he uses mass amounts, most times he's doesn't. And the majority of the times he fails to are in fights.
The MK examples shows Spiderman continuing to try to web Wolverine as Wolv's was breaking free, their limited series example shows Spiderman using a mass amount of webbing and it being completely shredded through near instantly.
I guess some people are comfortable using off hand examples that don't have anything to do with the direct comparisons, but the direct comparisons that exist tell a pretty clear tale imo.
Originally posted by jinzin
Maybe that's what he would like to do, but he's got a terrible record of when it comes to trying to web Wolverine up.... 😬http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/6610/max0006gn9.jpg
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8474/mksm1322dc1.jpg
Originally posted by jinzinAnd neither example makes sense.The MK examples shows Spiderman continuing to try to web Wolverine as Wolv's was breaking free, their limited series example shows Spiderman using a mass amount of webbing and it being completely shredded through near instantly.
Him being able to cut part of the webs wouldn't matter because he arms would still be stuck.
Anyway, Spiderman 10/10.
