Thanos vs Mordru

Originally posted by Cogito
So you ignore the Phantom Stranger's word (he who probably knows a little something about his own immortality) and take the Spectre's uncertain word instead (who at the time was manipulated, 100% misinformed regarding magic, and just plain lacking all sense of reason).

Gotcha.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Basically, it would be Thanos (with Marvel's Death's backing) trying to kill Phantom Stranger (with the backing of God/Presence).

If Stranger wasn't rendered immortal by a higher source, I might entertain the notion of Thanos killing him, but really, all evidence points to Stranger being beyond death period, not just immortal.

Originally posted by Cogito
Darkseid was resurrected, yes. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

More evidence that Spectre can't override certain beings immortality, along with PT.

Darkseid is protected by the source as the avatar for evil IIRC.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Darkseid is protected by the source as the avatar for evil IIRC.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos can kill the unkillables.

This is perfect jake. It's been a while since I leafed through day of vengeance. The universe (cancerverse) wouldn't allow death but Thanos killed them anyways.

It doesn't matter what the universe allows since Thanos already showed the power to defy it already.

Phantom stranger is neither dead nor alive. He's something strange. This crap of thanos killing someone who has no beginning or end is frankly stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Phantom stranger is neither dead nor alive. He's something strange. This crap of thanos killing someone who has no beginning or end is frankly stupid.

Can Thanos kill Mistress Death?

^Why not? Death is even killable as pre-retcon beyonder killed her while thanos kills the unkillable. That would be probably spite against mistress death.thanduros

Originally posted by Estacado
So he can kill anyone now? Am I right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Phantom stranger is neither dead nor alive. He's something strange. This crap of thanos killing someone who has no beginning or end is frankly stupid.

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Why not? Death is even killable as pre-retcon beyonder killed her while thanos kills the unkillable. That would be probably spite against mistress death.thanduros

Originally posted by iceman24567
Thanos would need sufficient power to kill these beings which he doesn't have without an artifact or something. Mordru stomps

Quan, your logic isn't terrible in of itself.

The problem is that basically, you'd have to believe that Marvel's Death blessing/backing/whathaveyou of Thanos would override beings who are beyond DC's Death. The Cancerverse was an unnatural aberration having actually "killed" Death. It was, obviously, like cancer: a malignant tumor that spread and infected the inhabitants. Thanos killing them doesn't equate to him being able to slay beings from another universe who aren't just immortal, but rather beyond death, period. In order to kill them, Thanos would have to have power superseding DC's Death, and likely, the Presence itself, which he really doesn't have.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Quan, your logic isn't terrible in of itself.

The problem is that basically, you'd have to believe that Marvel's Death blessing/backing/whathaveyou of Thanos would override beings who are beyond DC's Death. The Cancerverse was an unnatural aberration having actually "killed" Death. It was, obviously, like cancer: a malignant tumor that spread and infected the inhabitants. Thanos killing them doesn't equate to him being able to slay beings from another universe who aren't just immortal, but rather beyond death, period. In order to kill them, Thanos would have to have power superseding DC's Death, and likely, the Presence itself, which he really doesn't have.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't for one think that dc's death wouldn't be able to kill them. Has she ever tried ? Thanos was death's personal weapon used in another universe which didn't allow death. In the Ps case I think the line you used makes this an open and shut case.

Why do you feel that?

In a neutral setting, I have no problem giving Thanos the benefit of the doubt that he could kill "immortal" beings (provided he had the power to do so and wasn't beaten before then). The problem is that Mordru (and Phantom Stranger) aren't really immortal in the traditional comic book sense.

Death really has no meaning for either of them. DC Zeus is immortal, Guardians of the Universe are immortal, Highfather is immortal, etc. Mordru has no timeline and no beginning or end. He just...is, I guess. And Phantom Stranger is likewise above and beyond concepts of life and death.

Now, if you were arguing that Thanos could beat them through KO or incapacitation or whathaveyou, I'd have no issues with that. I wouldn't agree, but both Stranger and Mordru have been beaten before, so the idea of them losing in the general sense isn't crazy. But killing them? I just don't see it happening from Thanos.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why do you feel that?

In a neutral setting, I have no problem giving Thanos the benefit of the doubt that he could kill "immortal" beings (provided he had the power to do so and wasn't beaten before then). The problem is that Mordru (and Phantom Stranger) aren't really immortal in the traditional comic book sense.

Death really has no meaning for either of them. DC Zeus is immortal, Guardians of the Universe are immortal, Highfather is immortal, etc. Mordru has no timeline and no beginning or end. He just...is, I guess. And Phantom Stranger is likewise above and beyond concepts of life and death.

Now, if you were arguing that Thanos could beat them through KO or incapacitation or whathaveyou, I'd have no issues with that. I wouldn't agree, but both Stranger and Mordru have been beaten before, so the idea of them losing in the general sense isn't crazy. But killing them? I just don't see it happening from Thanos.

We see an entire universe resist death but they can't resist Thanos. I don't think Mordru or Ps could resist dc's death or Thanos personally trying themselves to kill them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Quan, your logic isn't terrible in of itself.

The problem is that basically, you'd have to believe that Marvel's Death blessing/backing/whathaveyou of Thanos would override beings who are beyond DC's Death. The Cancerverse was an unnatural aberration having actually "killed" Death. It was, obviously, like cancer: a malignant tumor that spread and infected the inhabitants. Thanos killing them doesn't equate to him being able to slay beings from another universe who aren't just immortal, but rather beyond death, period. In order to kill them, Thanos would have to have power superseding DC's Death, and likely, the Presence itself, which he really doesn't have.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why do you feel that?

In a neutral setting, I have no problem giving Thanos the benefit of the doubt that he could kill "immortal" beings (provided he had the power to do so and wasn't beaten before then). The problem is that Mordru (and Phantom Stranger) aren't really immortal in the traditional comic book sense.

Death really has no meaning for either of them. DC Zeus is immortal, Guardians of the Universe are immortal, Highfather is immortal, etc. Mordru has no timeline and no beginning or end. He just...is, I guess. And Phantom Stranger is likewise above and beyond concepts of life and death.

Now, if you were arguing that Thanos could beat them through KO or incapacitation or whathaveyou, I'd have no issues with that. I wouldn't agree, but both Stranger and Mordru have been beaten before, so the idea of them losing in the general sense isn't crazy. But killing them? I just don't see it happening from Thanos.

Im not following quans logic at all and to be honest I think he's just phucking with u guys and doesn't truly believe these things himself. Unless the same power/source that makes the cancerverse inhabitants unkillable is the same that makes mordru/PS Immortal, the whole point is moot. Using quans logic I could say that mordru win's since he has killed big purple guys before so he can kill thanos.

Originally posted by iceman24567
👆 In TI Thanos just reintroduced death to a universe without it thats all in Mordrus case death doesn't effect him from the start so Thanos' avatar powers are pointless.

I've tried to explain this exact thing many times, it's pointless.