Pre-Crisis Superman VS Worldbreaker Hulk

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it's the inconsistency of PC feats that is the issue

Everyone is saying that in this thread, but if we take into account every inconsistency from every character and factor it in, then any character (DC or Marvel) that's been around longer than 40 years goes down an entire tier or more almost immediately.

I'm not saying that the the low feats and weaknesses don't matter, but I am saying that a man that literally juggles planets every other issue is not going to get taken down by a gorilla no matter how you spin it. I'm also saying that a being that flies through stars isn't going to be beaten half to death by Mexicans with hammers..... that's why we coined the term "Plot Induced Stupidity."

towing planets is also plot induced stupidity

Originally posted by psycho gundam
towing planets is also plot induced stupidity

So is flying faster than the speed of light, or drawing power from a whale made of willpower.

not really, i'd say P.I.S. in that vain would be the invention of parallax as a reason for the yellow weakness. instead of simply removing that limitation they invented a creature based on it, yet it still doesn't really explain why things that so happen to harmlessly reflect yellow light waves render a GL aquaman (aka useless as phuck)

attributing only high end exhibitions of power only is why the forum has to endure hearing about hulk shatter a dimension ad nauseum, no matter the context or lack of actual seriousness of the writing staff. i for one knew they didn't give a shit back in the 60's

edit* superboy-prime can't do 90% of the stuff super boy did back in losh from the true PC days, it's simply a different time

Which is my point. If we're going to actually use these characters, then why neuter them for the sake of real world physics? You know how absurd it gets when people try to argue that.

Oh, and the parallax thing is just a retcon. That's really it. There's a difference between bad writing that for all intents and purposes goes along with continuity, and Plot Induced Stupidity, which is the antithesis of everything for which the character and/or plot should and does stand. i.e Pre-crisis Superman was consistently weakened by Kryptonite... not gorillas. That's how we know it's PIS.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not really, i'd say P.I.S. in that vain would be the invention of parallax as a reason for the yellow weakness. instead of simply removing that limitation they invented a creature based on it, yet it still doesn't really explain why things that so happen to harmlessly reflect yellow light waves render a GL aquaman (aka useless as phuck)

attributing only high end exhibitions of power only is why the forum has to endure hearing about hulk shatter a dimension ad nauseum, no matter the context or lack of actual seriousness of the writing staff. i for one knew they didn't give a shit back in the 60's

edit* superboy-prime can't do 90% of the stuff super boy did back in losh from the true PC days, it's simply a different time

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Ironic seeing as Aquaman once used a GL ring to take down a villain.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
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attributing only high end exhibitions of power only is why the forum has to endure hearing about hulk shatter a dimension ad nauseum, no matter the context or lack of actual seriousness of the writing staff. i for one knew they didn't give a shit back in the 60's

I blame the internet, and the rise of the Comic Book Guys.

Yeah, they probably didn't give a shit, because it was about entertainment, and not the SERIOUS BUSINESS of pleasing fanboys or fanboys turned writer run amok.....

Originally posted by -Pr-
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Ironic seeing as Aquaman once used a GL ring to take down a villain.

and yeah, PIS

Originally posted by Sirius77
Which is my point. If we're going to actually use these characters, then why neuter them for the sake of real world physics? You know how absurd it gets when people try to argue that.

I like it when mocking has factual basis. Otherwise it's just petty.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
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SA Superboy would destroy any Hulk. Never mind SA Superman.

He towed those dozens of planets together (which is actually a pretty funny pic btw), but as ridiculous a feat as that is, its obvious the writers intention to show the enormosity of his strength.

Heck take away SA Superboy's speed and flight and I still say he destroys Hulk (or any current high herald)

Originally posted by janus77
Other than proving he's vulnerable to the common cold (something which Savage Hulk is not susceptible to!) and that he doesn't understand that you cannot chain-pull a solar system worth of planets. It's not impressive.

And yet, he did.

Originally posted by Juntai
His cold was caused by Mxy. Superman is immune to sickness.

And yet, he did.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it'a not about comic book physics, it's the fact that he had the casual strength to move a solar system like that when in other stories he'd have issues with far less opposition far more frequently.

What opposition are you referring to? Because like I said, if you're referring to the gorilla instance, then ask yourself how it makes sense to count that as anything other than inconsistent writing. Like I said, if we factor that in, then we have to do the same for every other character.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i get great joy out of mocking aquaman, raoul

and yeah, PIS

it'a not about comic book physics, it's the fact that he had the casual strength to move a solar system like that when in other stories he'd have issues with far less opposition far more frequently.

Kind of like how Superman can cross the universe in a second, yet he can't even avoid Lex Luthers red solar energy lasers, with Luther even gloating "You're not faster than light!", and Superman agreeing with him?

Yeah, the pre crisis era was all over the place.

But even in modern times, there's things like, say, Rulk toying with Hulk, knocking out a Watcher, and beating Grandmaster to death, yet having trouble with Abomb? I wouldn't toss out the baby with the bathwater (Forgive the cliche), since as you said they were different times, and Superman being more formidable than most was his average..

Originally posted by cdtm
Kind of like how Superman can cross the universe in a second, yet he can't even avoid Lex Luthers red solar energy lasers, with Luther even gloating "You're not faster than light!", and Superman agreeing with him?

Wasnt that in the Spiderman crossover? Im no Superman expert but Im pretty sure that was Late 70's, near the end of SA, and already considerably less powerful than SA Supes at his Peak.

Superman speed-blitzes earth

Bump. I'm new here. But I'm surprised people here say that "SA Supes faills to impress them" all sillness aside, it was the 50's so who could blame them? (Looking at half of their usernames and profile pictures, I see why (Thehulk and Carver9). But I'm even more surprised at how people think that SA Supes loses to WB Hulk.

Also I remember seeing a battle here where people actually thought that Zoom & Flash can beat the Spectre and Phantom Stranger LMAO, when most people I know laughed at this notion (Classic Spectre was unharmed when SA Supes tried to blitz him, and this guy went faster than infinity.)

I use to log on Comic Vine fairly often and the general consensus there was that SBP >>>>> WB Hulk, and SA Supes (from feats and what not) >>>>> SBP. I may be using ABC logic here but show me what WB Hulk can even harm a guy who sneezed galaxies (this was aided by Myx or something), used his breath to blow the earth back into orbit, pulled powers out of his a__ every Thursday, went faster than infinity, could time travel and pulled planets like it was nothing.

Btw even though Supes' ridiculous feats were silly and defied logic, is a guy who gets stronger every time he's mad (anger is an emotion, shouldn't laughter be able to weaken him) and got exposed to radiation (shouldn't he have gotten cancer by now), make more sense than Supes does? It's a fictional book for crying out loud! Superpowers themselves defy the laws of physics and physics lol.

Btw, I'm ASSUMING by "Pre-Crisis Superman" you're talking about SA Supes/Earth One Supes. Unless it's Golden Age Superman, than WB Hulk stomps, UNLESS.