Pre-Crisis Superman VS Worldbreaker Hulk

Started by JakeTheBank12 pages

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jake now you're just reaching mindset's level. Doom would beat spectre, ZH parallax, COIE anti-monitor and The presence with a nanosecond of prep with bare hands, happy. Call me when he beats that pansy richards or lists better than real villains, you know like Lex, Joker, Magneto etc. What happens when "DOOM THE BESTESEST" comes to DC comics? This happens

Since grant morrison is God, this is the final fate of "DOOM THE BESTESEST"./rant

Mindset is trolling. Usually. I think.

But this little rant of yours speaks loud and clear, though. Obviously, you're flustered to the point where you're rattling off names of people you think I believe Doom beats with prep in order to make some kind of point. He's already beaten Richards, so, yeah, been there done that. Not sure why you think Lex or Joker are more "real villain" material than Doom...?

God, you're acting really butt hurt over this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Leader did it and turned victor into in a drooling idiot. You are overestimating doom as usual.

Leader sure as hell can't do it for the majority, which is what I'm asking here. But you knew that.

How am I overestimating Doom? By feats, history, and portrayal, he is consistently above Luthor by a decent degree with Lex being good enough to be problematic. At their best, Doom blows him out of the water.

Do you disagree?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mindset is trolling. Usually. I think.

But this little rant of yours speaks loud and clear, though. Obviously, you're flustered to the point where you're rattling off names of people you think I believe Doom beats with prep in order to make some kind of point. He's already beaten Richards, so, yeah, been there done that. Not sure why you think Lex or Joker are more "real villain" material than Doom...?

God, you're acting really butt hurt over this.


When did he beat reed? Just recently an alternate reed owned him and was moving him around like a dog. Sure anybody who beat doom can't beat him for a majority and anybody who beat him is automatically more intelligent than anyone save doom and reed, why am I surprised? Point me to the victories doom has on leader and banner. I thought you were better than this jake. So who can take a majority over doom IYO?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Leader sure as hell can't do it for the majority, which is what I'm asking here. But you knew that.

How am I overestimating Doom? By feats, history, and portrayal, he is consistently above Luthor by a decent degree with Lex being good enough to be problematic. At their best, Doom blows him out of the water.

Do you disagree?


I think that he can take 6-7/10 against post-crisis lex. At their best without any plot device PC lex makes doom wish he was never born.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did he beat reed? Just recently an alternate reed owned him and was moving him around like a dog. Sure anybody who beat doom can't beat him for a majority and anybody who beat him is automatically more intelligent than anyone save doom and reed, why am I surprised? Point me to the victories doom has on leader and banner. I thought you were better than this jake. So who can take a majority over doom IYO?

More than several times over the course of the history of the Fantastic Four comic book series? He's trashed the team in combat, succeeded in situations where Reed couldn't, kidnapped his family, forced Reed to admit that Doom was his superior when it came to various areas, etc. I can't believe you're seriously asking that. Does Reed beat Doom eventually? Sure, but that doesn't erase Doom's victories over Reed and his family.

I'd suggest you stop strawmanning and putting words in my mouth, too.

His feats being superior to Leader's and Banner's tech/intellect feats as a whole, as well. Feel free to compare or don't; you've already made up your mind.

Who can beat Doom? Straight up or with prep? Not Lex Luthor, that's for sure.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I think that he can take 6-7/10 against post-crisis lex. At their best without any plot device PC lex makes doom he was never born.

How does PC Lex, without plot device, makes Doom "never born"?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
More than several times over the course of the history of the Fantastic Four comic book series? He's trashed the team in combat, succeeded in situations where Reed couldn't, kidnapped his family, forced Reed to admit that Doom was his superior when it came to various areas, etc. I can't believe you're seriously asking that. Does Reed beat Doom eventually? Sure, but that doesn't erase Doom's victories over Reed and his family.

I'd suggest you stop strawmanning and putting words in my mouth, too.

His feats being superior to Leader's and Banner's tech/intellect feats as a whole, as well. Feel free to compare or don't; you've already made up your mind.

Who can beat Doom? Straight up or with prep? Not Lex Luthor, that's for sure.


Good quan arguement jake. I will leave this conversation here jake because this isn't the right place and you are starting to enter fanboy mode. But the next time you try to bring up superman=captain marvel, try to remember this conversation so as to not sound like a hypocrite.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
How does PC Lex, without plot device, makes Doom "never born"?

CURSES, FOILED AGAIN.durhulk

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good quan arguement jake. I will leave this conversation here jake because this isn't the right place and you are starting to enter fanboy mode. But the next time you try to bring up superman=captain marvel, try to remember this conversation so as to not sound like a hypocrite.

Wow.

Just...wow.

First off all, "Quan argument"? How does that even begin to make a lick of sense here? I mean, come the hell on. Elaborate.

Secondly, I'm entering fanboy mode? Pot, kettle. This entire conversation has been diverted from the OP because of you going off on tangent about how you feel people treat Superman unfairly and want to use only his low PC showings without context over his high ones...even though no one was arguing we do that. The only reason why you're trying to argue Lex over Doom is because of his relationship to Superman, let's be honest. I could care less that you want to back up Superman till the end and all of his associated characters and elements, I really could. But be honest about it. Don't strawman or throw up red herrings and turn face with the "I was just goofing around" thing. As...questionable as Quan can be with his Thanos gimmick, he's pretty honest about it in his own way. We know what he's all about and really, it shouldn't be pissing off anyone anymore anyway.

You can bet I'll remember this convo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wow.

Just...wow.

First off all, "Quan argument"? How does that even begin to make a lick of sense here? I mean, come the hell on. Elaborate.

Who can beat Doom? Straight up or with prep? Not Lex Luthor, that's for sure.

That's 100% quan quality answer. Ask him in a thread who can beat thanos.

Secondly, I'm entering fanboy mode? Pot, kettle. This entire conversation has been diverted from the OP because of you going off on tangent about how you feel people treat Superman unfairly and want to use only his low PC showings without context over his high ones...even though no one was arguing we do that. The only reason why you're trying to argue Lex over Doom is because of his relationship to Superman, let's be honest. I could care less that you want to back up Superman till the end and all of his associated characters and elements, I really could. But be honest about it. Don't strawman or throw up red herrings and turn face with the "I was just goofing around" thing. As...questionable as Quan can be with his Thanos gimmick, he's pretty honest about it in his own way. We know what he's all about and really, it shouldn't be pissing off anyone anymore anyway.

Then what's this

His feats being superior to Leader's and Banner's tech/intellect feats as a whole, as well. Feel free to compare or don't.

He lost to leader on-panel, banner made a fool of him on-panel and you're trying to tell me to compare feats. So I guess Thor would make Tutinax his *****, afterall tutinax didn't lift midgard serpent. Why were you complaining on the first page that being PC means we only use highest showings and throw anything else. Tell me what showings we should use. How does me liking superman and his supporting cast makes any difference? Anytime I said something fanboyish in this thread was followed by a smilie meaning that I was not serious. It was you who claimed that post crisis lex wouldn't bother doom at all. Who's entering fanboy mode now? Just because you've become immune to stupidity thanks to quan and carver doesn't mean everyone else is.

You can bet I'll remember this convo.

Just remember this

His feats being superior to Leader's and Banner's tech/intellect feats as a whole, as well. Feel free to compare or don't

As for thread, ya'll know PC captain marvel, the same guy who was invulnerable to physical harm has to say about superman
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SupermanVsShazam-54.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah the same. By that standard against surfer you only have to bring a brick or poisioned soup, a shotgun for thor, a python for hulk, gas station for post-crisis superman, a deer for logan and batman can beat jla by punches and kickes.

Ill have to double check but im Pretty sure Surfer was pretending in that fight...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Good quan arguement jake. I will leave this conversation here jake because this isn't the right place and you are starting to enter fanboy mode. But the next time you try to bring up superman=captain marvel, try to remember this conversation so as to not sound like a hypocrite.
Why do you insist on bringing up my name here. Just let it go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
As for thread, ya'll know PC captain marvel, the same guy who was invulnerable to physical harm has to say about superman
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/SupermanVsShazam-54.jpg

"My powers must be weaker in this universe"?

The wizard Shazam confirms this, too. Equates Cap being outside of Earth S to Superman being under a red sun.

In all honesty Superman could just fly in, grab the Hulk by his ankle and throw him into deep space for the quick win.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's 100% quan quality answer. Ask him in a thread who can beat thanos.

Then what's this

He lost to leader on-panel, banner made a fool of him on-panel and you're trying to tell me to compare feats. So I guess Thor would make Tutinax his *****, afterall tutinax didn't lift midgard serpent. Why were you complaining on the first page that being PC means we only use highest showings and throw anything else. Tell me what showings we should use. How does me liking superman and his supporting cast makes any difference? Anytime I said something fanboyish in this thread was followed by a smilie meaning that I was not serious. It was you who claimed that post crisis lex wouldn't bother doom at all. Who's entering fanboy mode now? Just because you've become immune to stupidity thanks to quan and carver doesn't mean everyone else is.

Just remember this

Not sure what Quan has to do with anything here at all outside of you trying to bring him up to make yourself look more rational or whatnot. Quan is as Quan does; he likes Thanos a lot. No skin off my back. He sometimes claims he is Thanos. That doesn't hold any merit in what you're trying to do here, which is painfully obvious.

When Leader or Banner succeed at half of the stuff Doom has done, give me a call. They have victories over him, sure. I'm not disputing that nor am I saying they don't count. But character histories as a whole support Doom being > both of them. It's not up for debate, really, and this whole side argument is a red herring to distract (or at least attempt to distract) people from the crux of this whole thread: Superman.

We should overall histories, obviously, which is what I've been saying all this time. Don't act dense and attempt to strawman me with your rants and play it off like joking. You liking Superman and co. in of itself isn't anything worth arguing over. But when you attempt to play at some kind of agenda and act really butt hurt over something that has nothing to do with anything really (such as my off hand comment about Doom being > Lex Luthor - and he is ) it shows your colors for the forum to see.

Post Crisis Lex Luthor doesn't really have much to suggest he'd beat Doom unless you want to give Lex some kind of one sided advantage. By all means, we can compare feats and accomplishments, and then we can let impartial parties decide just who is the superior character and by how much of a degree. Makes no difference to me.

I'm not immune to stupidity; I'm engaging in this thread, aren't I?

WBH 5.9/10

how do you win .9 of a fight?
is it a points victory?

WBH 10/10.

Originally posted by janus77
how do you win .9 of a fight?
is it a points victory?

WBH 10/10.

Pre-Crisis Bro....... 🙁

Originally posted by janus77
how do you win .9 of a fight?
is it a points victory?

WBH 10/10.

10 of 10?

You aren't even allowing Superman one win with the Black hole closing grip of death?