Originally posted by Stoic
Wasn't that a sneak attack? Danny nealy broke his hand on Hiroim's skin, and he used the Ironfist. You're excluding context to improve your stance.
I beg your pardon? Your missing the point. I didn't say IF beat him and of course he used the iron fist does that really need to be said? but people are claiming Skaar is at uber levels at all the time and are only going by his best showings and ignoring the Crew's. So if he was always uber an IF attack should not have hurt him as people are claiming....as he is above that apparently. I could have brought up far worse showings for Skaar, but my point is he is not uber all the time...far from it.
Another time Wrecker took a point blank Iron Fist (yes and he used the iron fist too) to the chest and had a smile on his face.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I beg your pardon? Your missing the point. I didn't say IF beat him and of course he used the iron fist does that really need to be said? but people are claiming Skaar is at uber levels at all the time and are only going by his best showings and ignoring the Crew's. So if he was always uber an IF attack should not have hurt him as people are claiming....as he is above that apparently. I could have brought up far worse showings for Skaar, but my point is he is not uber all the time...far from it.Another time Wrecker took a point blank Iron Fist (yes and he used the iron fist too) to the chest and had a smile on his face.
Not the point. You stated that Ironfist hit him and rocked him, and if someone did not know the context, or that it was a sneak attack, Skaar would come off appearing less than he actually is. This to me seemed underhanded, by neglecting certain parameters. Whether this is what you meant to do, is beyond me. So if I am falsely accusing you of being underhanded, please accept my apologies.
Let's go with forum battle schemes. In a forum setting Skaar would begin operating at his best, which means that he would be well within the mid to high class 100 range, he would be clad in Old Power Stone Armor, and his punches would be amplified with level 10 plus seismic charges, and also packing a hell of a healing factor. He would be able to open the ground, which would swallow the Crew, and use the earth itself to skewer them as he did to the Hulk. All or one the Crew would be in trouble.
As for the Wrecker waving his hand and giving Skaar the BFR? This I have never seen, and if he can do this, then he wins, but in no way is a BFR of this nature considered a physical domination.
Actually I just reread New Avengers #20 again and there was NO sucker punch from Iron Fist (I didn't even see you mentioned sucker punch till now or I would have addressed it earlier). He literally charged him head on and Skaar was looking directly at him and charged at him, BUT IF sent him flying. I also don't see where IF said he nearly broke his hand either. Did you read a different issue or something?
So what I said was correct and no need to go in depth with your above post. All the context was there, and you may have misread the issue yourself (unless they fought somewhere else?)
Originally posted by Stoic
As for the Wrecker waving his hand and giving Skaar the BFR? This I have never seen, and if he can do this, then he wins, but in no way is a BFR of this nature considered a physical domination.
Don't need to comment on the above as already addressed.
Yes he can do it,
Sif
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor148-13.jpg
Loki
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor148-10.jpg
As I said many times already there are some versions that cant and there are some that can beat him physically.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually I just reread New Avengers #20 again and there was NO sucker punch from Iron Fist. He literally charged him head on and Skaar was looking directly at him and charged at him, BUT IF sent him flying. I also don't see where IF said he nearly broke his hand either. Did you read a different issue or something?So what I said was correct and no need to go in depth with your above post. All the context was there, and you may have misread the issue yourself (unlesss they fought somewhere else?)
Just went over New Avengers. The punch had no effect other than sending him flying. I said the Ironfist nearly broke his hand when he hit Hiroim during the WW Hulk arc. Not Skaar, Hiroim was also armored up using the Old Power.
Originally posted by Stoic
Just went over New Avengers. The punch had no effect other than sending him flying.
haha suuuuuuure. The look of pain on his face says otherwise, and when he crashed into the car 😉. So all my context was there...you were the one that was wrong 🙂
haha but really no worries not a huge deal.
Originally posted by Stoic
Just went over New Avengers. The punch had no effect other than sending him flying. I said the Ironfist nearly broke his hand when he hit Hiroim during the WW Hulk arc. Not Skaar, Hiroim was also armored up using the Old Power.
My mistake, I skimmed your post hence why I missed the sucker punch comment earlier (It's late here and was getting ready for bed and rushed the post....my apologies). He clearly didn't here though.
Originally posted by -K-M-
My mistake, I skimmed your post hence why I missed the sucker punch comment earlier. He clearly didn't here though.
Skaar was unaffected by the punch, I'm looking at it right now. He didn't even scream out, and I'm not seeing what you are talking about as far as a look of pain being on his face. All I see is him being knocked over, and getting back up immediately.
Originally posted by Stoic
Skaar was unaffected by the punch, I'm looking at it right now. He didn't even scream out, and I'm not seeing what you are talking about as far as a look of pain being on his face. All I see is him being knocked over, and getting back up immediately.
He was grimacing ("A sharp contortion of the face expressive of pain"😉, you don't have to scream to express pain. I never said IF beat him, I said rocked him which he did.
Like compare that incident in NA #20 to the time that when Wrecker took a chi blast to the chest. Like I said all depends on the incarnation of the characters
Originally posted by -K-M-
He was grimacing ("A sharp contortion of the face expressive of pain"😉, you don't have to scream to express pain. I never said IF beat him, I said rocked him which he did.Like compare that incident in NA #20 to this...
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/NA50-026-27.jpg*
*and that was a pretty weak version of Wrecker too. Like I said all depends on the incarnation of the characters
I can't make out a grimace even, all I see is a faster and more skilled fighter catching another much larger, and more powerful fighter flat footed, and making him fly backwards. I did not see any loss of breath, or an aggh, iieee, awoogaa... or anything to indicate that Skaar was affected at all. To me he wasn't hurt at all by it, and got right up as if nothing happened as seen on panel. As I also mentioned, this is Skaar without amping his strength, and body armor. I think that outside of the BFR. The Crew would be destroyed.
Originally posted by Stoic
I can't make out a grimace even, all I see is a faster and more skilled fighter catching another much larger, and more powerful fighter flat footed, and making him fly backwards. I did not see any loss of breath, or an aggh, iieee, awoogaa... or anything to indicate that Skaar was affected at all. To me he wasn't hurt at all by it, and got right up as if nothing happened as seen on panel. As I also mentioned, this is Skaar without amping, his strength, and body armor. I think that outside of the BFR. The Crew would be destroyed.
That's definetly a grimace, one eye closed, one eye bugged out and his mouth wide open. Same for when he hit the car with his mouth open and his eyes closed. Also you don't need to do those to express pain. However, this is all personal opinion and I don't see how we will change each others opinion so we should just let it go and move on.
Naaaaa depends on the versions of the Crew. Some have forcefields, magical blasts that ripped holes into dimensions, ability to sap strength adding to theirs, strength to destroy a planet (Tanaraq upgrade), one-shotted Savage Hulk (Wrecker), classic Wrecker has gone toe to toe with Thor...etc.
Classic Wrecker
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-12.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-13.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-14.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-15.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-16.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-17.jpg
7. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-18.jpg
8. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-19.jpg
9. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-20.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
That's definetly a grimace, one eye closed, one eye bugged out and his mouth wide open. Same for when he hit the car with his mouth open and his eyes closed. Also you don't need to do those to express pain. However, this is all personal opinion and I don't see how we will change each others opinion so we should just let it go and move on.Naaaaa depends on the versions of the Crew. Some have forcefields, magical blasts that ripped holes into dimensions, ability to sap strength adding to theirs, strength to destroy a planet (Tanaraq upgrade), one-shotted Savage Hulk (Wrecker), classic Wrecker has gone toe to toe with Thor...etc.
Classic Wrecker
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-12.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-13.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-14.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-15.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-16.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-17.jpg
7. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-18.jpg
8. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-19.jpg
9. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor171-20.jpg
Much of what you are showing is Wrecker being amped by outside influences, and not the way he operates at best under normal circumstances. I'm not sure if yourealize just how powerful the Old Power is. It was capable of satiating Galactus for many many years. That's potent stuff. The Hulk that Skaar fought, and skewered would have destroyed the Crew with ease. Skaar would absolutely dominate them in a physical match up, based on no outside help, and at their best. Skaar is often lowballed, on this forum, but it doesn't take away from him taking huge hits. Betty hit him with enough force to open a dimensional rift. Thor has hit hit. He punched the Juggernaut into space. Sorry the Crew would be worked here.
You're right about the grimace, it's a matter of opinion, I don't think he was affected, while you do, even though he was up the next time we see him, and without injury.
Originally posted by Stoic
I said the Ironfist nearly broke his hand when he hit Hiroim during the WW Hulk arc.
What's her name exploded Hulks chest with the old power and shrugged off a nuke level bomb.
I'm guessing old power users are >> Savage Hulk level, at the least.
And anyways, Danny still made Hiroim scream out in pain, and this was by a guy who probably isn't much of an Iron Fist fan or even knows much of his history, judging by how Pak's written him in the past..
Re: Skaar versus the Wrecking Crew
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Skaarvs.
Wrecking Crew
1. Classic Wrecker by himself.
2. Classic Wrecking Crew
3. Current Wrecking Crew.
1.Classic Wrecker with all the power to himself?? He beats Skaar, because he was way stronger than the listed 40 ton class he was said to be in. The Wrecker almost beat the THING.
2. Skaar kills them and badly. sort of like how the She Hulk did during SECRET WARS
3. Skaar still, but I havent seen any wrecking crew stories for at least two years they may have changed....
