Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On one hand I really want to see K-M meltdown, on the other, the Wrecking Crew are related to Thor.What to do, what to do.....
mhmm
Never seen such asinine comments in my life.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
How wasn't it?
Because they were fighting him face to face, it wasn't a sneak attack. Colossus knew he was in a fight and knew who he was fighting. That's not a cheap shot.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Wow clearly your remembering it wrong, humilating fashion? Definetly not. So what teams has Skaar beat of note worthy? Or even just regular people? Juggernaut? He BFR'ed him1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_14.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_15-16.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_17.jpg
4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_18.jpg
5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_19.jpg
6. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/NewAvengers7_20.jpg
7. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p10.jpg
8. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p11.jpg
9. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p16-17.jpg
10. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p18.jpg
11. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p19.jpg
12. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/newavengers8_p20.jpgHe did get ko'ed, but as shown and stated he was morew powerful then Thing and got over-confident as he was toying with him.
So I guess Thor, Hercules, Avengers, Alpha Flight, Omega Flight etc are losers as they lost or the Crew were getting the better of them? 3 showings? jokes
That team of Avengers were weak. Come on man. I understand where you're coming from the Wrecker and his Crew are all over the place. On average Skaar would beat them. The Tanarak case is another matter, and should not be brought to light, as they were juiced up on some crazy power.
Skaar not taking on a bunch of very powerful characters could just be because he hasn't been around for the past 50 years, he's 12 years old or younger, or he's being trimmed down. Let's talk in another 20 years and then see how powerful Skaar is, and that's only if the goofballs at Marvel don't kill him off on some dumb sh1t. You say that you are well aware of how powerful the Old Power is, so you should know how high Skaar can amplify his power, and that with CIS on, he could swallow the Crew up and skewer them by millions of tons of sharp rocks.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I'll have to go look again but I recall Wrecker on his knees behind Colossus while he was crying about Colossus killing them, then he wacked hiim from behind.This was also the Wrecking Crew+1.
1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Secretwars5_1.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Secretwars5_2.jpg
3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Secretwars5_3.jpg
Yes with Doc Ock, and as I mentioned before the Crew's various upgrades
Originally posted by Stoic
That team of Avengers were weak. Come on man. I understand where you're coming from the Wrecker and his Crew are all over the place. On average Skaar would beat them. The Tanarak case is another matter, and should not be brought to light, as they were juiced up on some crazy power.Skaar not taking on a bunch of very powerful characters could just be because he hasn't been around for the past 50 years, he's 12 years old or younger, or he's being trimmed down. Let's talk in another 20 years and then see how powerful Skaar is, and that's only if the goofballs at Marvel don't kill him off on some dumb sh1t. You say that you are well aware of how powerful the Old Power is, so you should know how high Skaar can amplify his power, and that with CIS on, he could swallow the Crew up and skewer them by millions of tons of sharp rocks.
That team consisted of Thor and Photon, not weak in the least. Then look at their fight with Alpha Flight and Beta Flight joined in too. That team would kill Skaar (Not talking about Omega Flight).
Correct, so we have actual feats of the Crew taking on powerful characters either giving them serious troubles or out right beat them. So to say Skaar stomps? Asinine. Yes I am aware he can amp to serious levels, but in his entire career how often has he reached those levels? Rarely at best.
Originally posted by -K-M-
That team consisted of Thor and Photon, not weak in the least. Then look at their fight with Alpha Flight and Beta Flight joined in too. That team would kill Skaar (Not talking about Omega Flight).Correct, so we have actual feats of the Crew taking on powerful characters either giving them serious troubles or out right beat them. So to say Skaar stomps? Asinine. Yes I am aware he can amp to serious levels, but in his entire career how often has he reached those levels? Rarely at best.
I'm talking about the New Avengers team that the Wrecker tossed Luke Cage into another borough.
The Savage Hulk also came back and fought the Crew and what did he do to them? Do you have scans of that conflict?
Saying that he rarely went that far, is not saying that he can't reach those levels.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm talking about the New Avengers team that the Wrecker tossed Luke Cage into another borough.The Savage Hulk also came back and fought the Crew and what did he do to them? Do you have scans of that conflict?
Saying that he rarely went that far, is not saying that he can't reach those levels.
Oh yes that wasn't the most powerful version of the Avengers, but he still took it to a lot of big named characters. Something Skaar has yet to do.
Came back and fought Thunderball only and beat him. Crushed his thunderball.
and in the same way Wrecking Crew could tap into their often ignored abilities. Doesnt mean it will happen.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Oh yes that wasn't the most powerful version of the Avengers, but he still took it to a lot of big named characters. Something Skaar has yet to do.Came back and fought Thunderball only and beat him. Crushed his thunderball.
and in the same way Wrecking Crew could tap into their often ignored abilities. Doesnt mean it will happen.
Not the fight that I'm talking about. I'm talking about a more recent battle between that Hulk and the Crew, when he took them all on, and beat the hell out of them. All characters get beaten, but I bet if you gave Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, and others in that weight class a best out of 10 fights vs the Crew that the Crew would lose a vast majority of those matches.
Originally posted by Stoic
Not the fight that I'm talking about. I'm talking about a more recent battle between that Hulk and the Crew, when he took them all on, and beat the hell out of them. All characters get beaten, but I bet if you gave Thor, Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules, and others in that weight class a best out of 10 fights vs the Crew that the Crew would lose a vast majority of those matches.
This one? and as I have said countless times there are some versions of the Crew that got power bosts or exotic powers that made them very uber. Yet people are ignoring that.
Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Wrecking Crew
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Battles
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Hulk
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Hulk: Let the Battle Begin #1:
Here the Crew takes on Savage Hulk and does extremely well. Really no members were ko’ed just hit or thrown away and weren’t a bloody mess during the fight either. Just to note they even did better then Thor in the same issue1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin010-11.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin012.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin013.jpg
4. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin014.jpg
5. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin015.jpgThor vs. Hulk
1. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin015.jpg
2. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin016.jpg
3. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin017.jpg
4. http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l107/A_Flight11/Hulk-LettheBattleBegin018.jpg
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Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not as well versed with the Crew as you may be, but I have read some of the appearances. Can you name a few people outside of Asgardians that they removed powers from?
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Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Wrecking Crew
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Energy Absorption
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Avengers #16 [Vol.3]:
After their Asgardian magic left them, they could absorb alternative energy sources to make themselves stronger1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers_v3_016_04a.jpg
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Avengers #17-18 [Vol.3]:
The Crew can absorb powers from others making themselves stronger, as they were powered by Photon to defeat Arkon and Thundra1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers_v3_018_03a.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers_v3_018_03b.jpg
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Avengers #18 [Vol.3]:
Once again shows the Crew absorbing the energy from Photon making them stronger1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers_v3_018_14b.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers_v3_018_15b.jpg [/B]
Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Thunderball
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Abilities
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Alpha Flight #119 [Vol.1]:
Here Thunderball uses this siphon to steal the Crew's powers back from Loki who stole them and teleported Wrecker out of the dimensional limbo Loki put him in. For this troubles, his cells became augmented and stronger due to the siphon.1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/AlphaFlight119-14-1.jpg
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Wrecking Ball
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Energy Absorption
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Avengers Unplugged #4 [Vol.1]:
Here Thunderball’s wrecking ball can cap Hercules strength1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers-Unplugged04-11.jpg
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Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Wrecker
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Abilties
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Energy Absorption
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Alpha Flight #119 [Vol.1]:
An amped Wrecker actually absorbs Aurora's lightening give him more power1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/AlphaFlight119-11.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/AlphaFlight119-12.jpg
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Alpha Flight #119 [Vol.1]:
Here it mentions Guardian has to hit him with the entire E-M spectrum on an amped Wrecker and has to change the wavelength so he doesn't compensate1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/AlphaFlight119-21.jpg
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Avengers #16 [Vol.3]:
After his Asgardian powers leave him Wrecker has to rely on external sources to power him, and here he uses a light post to amp himself1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Avengers_v3_016_13a.jpg
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Iron Fist #11 [Vol.1]:
In a battle of who will absorb who’s powers first, Wrecker and Iron Fist go at it and doesn’t end well for him1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-15.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-16.jpg
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Thor #428 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker absorbs Lockheed’s attack and turns it on Meggan1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor_1991__428_13.jpg
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Thunderstrike #14 [Vol.1]:
After losing all his power thanks to Loki he is banished into another dimension and absorbs energy from it making him stronger then before1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thunderstrike14-28.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thunderstrike14-29.jpg
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There's more, but that's a good range
Originally posted by -K-M-
This one? and as I have said countless times there are some versions of the Crew that got power bosts or exotic powers that made them very uber. Yet people are ignoring that.
Skaar alone did better against a more powerful version of the Hulk though. You know when they fought on the beach, and Skaar used the earth to severely hurt the Hulk. Do you have any other names outside of Asgardians that the Wrecker was able to power drain? Because this may not work on non Asgardian characters, like the Hulk, or Skaar.
Whoops you provided scans of what I asked you for. Let me check them out.
Originally posted by Stoic
Skaar alone did better against a more powerful version of the Hulk though. You know when they fought on the beach, and Skaar used the earth to severely hurt the Hulk. Do you have any other names outside of Asgardians that the Wrecker was able to power drain? Because this may not work on non Asgardian characters, like the Hulk, or Skaar.
Sure, but didn't beat him or come close to beating that version either though. Yes....I posted the scans above.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Sure, but didn't beat him or come close to beating that version either though. Yes....I posted the scans above.
Okay I see them absorbing ambient energy waves, which mostly seem to be lightning, but I'm not sure that he would be able to absorb the Old Power, not saying that he can't. I'm just not 100% certain that he or they can. Skaar can also hit from a distance, causing a problem for the Crew to even make this a physical confrontation, and even then Skaar as seen on panel can amp. I guess it's like you said before, this depends on how they fight, or which Crew is being spoken of.
Originally posted by Stoic
I guess it's like you said before, this depends on how they fight, or which Crew is being spoken of.
THANK YOU! That's all I was trying to say
Also Crew have ranged attacks too....
Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Thunderball
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Abilities
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Wrecking Ball Manipulation
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Defenders #18 [Vol.1]:
Here Thunderball redirects his ball to avoid Dr.Strange’s blast and hit it’s target1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_018_02.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_018_03.jpg
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Marvel Team-Up #6 [Vol.2]:
Here Thunderball easily ties up Spider-Man with his chain and he can’t break out of it, and once he thinks Spider-Man is dead he calls it back1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Marvel_Team-Up_Vol-2_06_p14.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Marvel_Team-Up_Vol-2_06_p15.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Marvel_Team-Up_Vol-2_06_p18.jpg
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Marvel Team-Up #11 [Vol.2]:
Easily traps Namoria and Namor until others save them1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MarvelTeam-Up011-12.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MarvelTeam-Up011-20.jpg
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Originally posted by -K-M-
[b]Wrecker
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Crowbar Manipulation
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Marvel Team-Up #11 [Vol.2]:
Redirects his thrown crowbar to hit Namor’s mouth piece as at the time he believed he couldn’t breathe underwater1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MarvelTeam-Up011-14.jpg
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Marvel Team-Up #11 [Vol.2]:
Iron Man tries to stop Wrecker’s thrown crowbar with his repulsor rays but to no avail1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/MarvelTeam-Up011-18.jpg
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Thor #418 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker shows he can retrieve his crowbar just like Thor can with his hammer1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_13.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1990_418_14.jpg
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Thunderstrike #14 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker can bring his crowbar back to his hand like Thor can1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thunderstrike14-31.jpg
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Crowbar
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Energy Blasts
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Thor #426 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker is shooting multiple energy blasts at cops just for fun1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor_1990__426_08.jpg
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Thor #428 [Vol.1]:
Here Wrecker unleashes his blast and sends Captain Britain flying1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor_1991__428_05.jpg
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Thor #429 [Vol.1]:
With his crowbar, Wrecker lets out a powerful energy blasts that rocks Ghost Rider and opens up a dimensional rift summoning Mephisto1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1991__429_22.jpg
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Thor #430 [Vol.1]:
With his crowbar, Wrecker can forth powerful energy blasts1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1991__430_20.jpg
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Forcefield
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Thor #148 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker generates a force field to deflect bullets1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor148-11.jpg
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Illusion
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Thor #427 [Vol.1]:
Wrecker hits Thor with a beam that makes it seem to Excalibur he is the Juggernaut so they fight against him1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor_1990__427_21.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/Thor_1990__427_22.jpg
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Telepathy
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Thor #304 [Vol.1]:
With his crowbar, Wrecker talks to a security guard and forces him to do his bidding to escape1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1981_304_06.jpg
2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Thor_1981_304_07.jpg
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Originally posted by -K-M-
Not in Skaar's character to do that (as in he has never done that to anyone of note), but the Crew have shown to generate forcefields, telepathy, magical spells, teleportation, energy absorbtion, illusion casting, superhuman strength, superhuman durability, etc. That's far from one-dimensional
Skaar was shown to be a stone cold killer on Sakaar, using deadly force isn't beneath him, and only up until recently has he shown any amount of restraint, and that was because of Banner showing him the ropes. You recall how numb he was after the Caiera incident right? I agree that if he's neutered, holding back, or generally fighting like an idiot that he would have worlds of problems with the Crew, but he seems to generally go for broke, wheres the Hulk (Savage) just wanted to be left alone.
