Originally posted by ares834
This is just dumb. Vader chokes Blade.As for Han's blaster...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbhXJrAEw7Y&feature=player_embedded#at=440
That DL-44 is an illegal arm, iirc. It also packs a stupidly powerful punch.
Additionally, compare it to a more conventional and common blaster pistol: DH-17.
Obviously, Vader's armor is ****ing durable.
I don't see Vader force pulling a gun out of Blade's hand, either.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well I mean suited Vader was still very powerful in the force, look what happened right after he got put in the suit in ROTS. He was able to crush all the metal objects in a room.Blade can't use any of his guns with they have all been crushed.
Or if Blade got crushed with force choke.
^ Indeed.
Originally posted by KingD19
Four bolts shot at his hand.And ripping a gun out of Blades hand would be far more difficult than Han, since ya know, Blade his legitimate super strength.
A fair point. But unless Blade is always holding on to his gun with such a grip or if he expects Vader to employ such a tactic it won't matter.
And Obi-Wan at the time of facing Durge was the most skilled defensive Jedi in the history of the order. The whole point is, slugthrowers fire high speed rounds that aren't visible. Jedi can and have deflected them, but it's nowhere near as easy as with blasters.
This was shortly after AotC at which point Obi-Wan was not yet the defensive master he would become. Regardless he blocked it with the Force, and Vader has shown more skill in such regard.
And you honestly think Vader can block bullets going roughly 1,000 fps?
Reread my post.
Originally posted by KingD19
I never said Vader couldn't choke him. I just said he'd never choked someone in a fight; it would have been rather useful against Obi-Wan or Luke, or Han don't you think?And despite the distance, and the choking, he won't stop those bullets.
Yet the bullets would never be anywhere near him cos he'd choke Blade from thousands of miles away.
Actually it was in that instance. He could choke him from thousands of miles away because he could see and focus on him.
To say he can just choke Blade without seeing him when we've never seen him do it is giving him abilities he wasn't shown to posses.
That's like me saying Blade can move like La Magra, although he obviously can't and was never shown doing so.
Actually, he just has to sense him (not see him). Remember, Luke and Vader could talk to each other without seeing each other. Vader could sense Luke on ships really far away, as well (multiple kilometers).
Also, it has been ages, but Blade is immune to telepathy but I think that's only vampire telepathy. Still, Blade has a really strong will. There's no way a mind trick would work on someone like blade. I know that wasn't contested, but it was just something I thought of.
So, yes, I think that Vader could detect blade from a distance without seeing him. Anakin did it with Padme while being in the middle of an argument with Obi Wan...and he was just a Padawan, then.
Originally posted by jaden101
We know you don't have to see someone to 1: be able to sense them with the force and 2: Be able to locate and use the force to communicate with people. We also know from canon EU that you don't need sight to target things (living or not) with force powers. (Rahm Kota)
STFU, f*ggot. Your stealing my thunder with your ninja fast posts. uhuh
Originally posted by KingD19
Actually it was in that instance. He could choke him from thousands of miles away because he could see and focus on him.To say he can just choke Blade without seeing him when we've never seen him do it is giving him abilities he wasn't shown to posses.
Actually, I think that's a good point, otherwise Vader could have choked any of the rebels whenever he wanted to, and yet he didn't.
Sensing Luke from a great distance does not equate to him being able to choke him from that distance. The officer he did choke was from far away but Vader had a focal point to concentrate on in that case. If Vader could have choked the officer anytime after his foul-up, why then bring up the viewscreen? I think he needed that 'link' to direct it.
However, I don't think Blade can go anywhere within the general area to not be affected by the force choke if he's to be a threat in the contest.
The question is, would Blade be affected by the force choke? He is a vampire after all, he shouldn't be affected by lack of oxygen. Vader's force-object throwing seemed quite slow in the movies so I would imagine Blade would dodge those. Blade's sword is titanium in the movies which you would think would be useless against the lightsaber. Blade's best chance is with his firearms, yes, Vader countered against energy but is not proven against projectile weapons. If Blade somehow damages Vader's suit/breathing apparatus and/or relieves him of his lightsaber somehow I feel he has a chance.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Actually, I think that's a good point, otherwise Vader could have choked any of the rebels whenever he wanted to, and yet he didn't.Sensing Luke from a great distance does not equate to him being able to choke him from that distance. The officer he did choke was from far away but Vader had a focal point to concentrate on in that case. If Vader could have choked the officer anytime after his foul-up, why then bring up the viewscreen? I think he needed that 'link' to direct it.
However, I don't think Blade can go anywhere within the general area to not be affected by the force choke if he's to be a threat in the contest.
The question is, would Blade be affected by the force choke? He is a vampire after all, he shouldn't be affected by lack of oxygen. Vader's force-object throwing seemed quite slow in the movies so I would imagine Blade would dodge those. Blade's sword is titanium in the movies which you would think would be useless against the lightsaber. Blade's best chance is with his firearms, yes, Vader countered against energy but is not proven against projectile weapons. If Blade somehow damages Vader's suit/breathing apparatus and/or relieves him of his lightsaber somehow I feel he has a chance.
Blade has proven that he needs to breathe considering after tough fights he breathes heavy. He gets winded.
Though he spent time in a vat of blood for a while but arguably that activated his inner vamp into overdrive.
His guns though are enough to mess a Jedi/Sith up. Laser beams ain;t crap compared to an modified Uzi. And knowing Blade he'll go for the chest plate which controls Vader's breathing system. A bullet in there and Vader starts choking.
Blade can also hit the air quickly and hide in the darkness like the beginning of Blade 2. Choke hold isn't so easy.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Blade has proven that he needs to breathe considering after tough fights he breathes heavy. He gets winded.Though he spent time in a vat of blood for a while but arguably that activated his inner vamp into overdrive.
His guns though are enough to mess a Jedi/Sith up. Laser beams ain;t crap compared to an modified Uzi. And knowing Blade he'll go for the chest plate which controls Vader's breathing system. A bullet in there and Vader starts choking.
Blade can also hit the air quickly and hide in the darkness like the beginning of Blade 2. Choke hold isn't so easy.
I was thinking about the vat of blood in Blade 2, he had to have went without oxygen to drink it to get his strength back, that alone shows oxygen isn't a must for him because no human could do that. I'm not sure I've seen Blade breathing heavily in any of his contests through exhaustion alone, usually it was when he was injured like in the vampire archives in the first film, or when he needs the serum. Force choke doesn't do it for me, may be a hindrance but as it's a move which is based on concentration - it is very likely Blade can survive it long enough to keep breaking Vaders focus.
Well, Blade has a lot of munitions, no doubt - his automatic guns, handguns, shotgun, mini explosive devices, like he attached to Reinhardt in B2. Those would create enough damage.
Any significant damage to the breathing system like I mentioned earlier would be enough, although as long as Vader has his lightsaber Blade can't get to the other weak point - his easily removable helmet.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I was thinking about the vat of blood in Blade 2, he had to have went without oxygen to drink it to get his strength back, that alone shows oxygen isn't a must for him because no human could do that. I'm not sure I've seen Blade breathing heavily in any of his contests through exhaustion alone, usually it was when he was injured like in the vampire archives in the first film, or when he needs the serum. Force choke doesn't do it for me, may be a hindrance but as it's a move which is based on concentration - it is very likely Blade can survive it long enough to keep breaking Vaders focus.Well, Blade has a lot of munitions, no doubt - his automatic guns, handguns, shotgun, mini explosive devices, like he attached to Reinhardt in B2. Those would create enough damage.
Any significant damage to the breathing system like I mentioned earlier would be enough, although as long as Vader has his lightsaber Blade can't get to the other weak point - his easily removable helmet.
There is also no proof that a Jedi/Sith can block automatic projectile gunfire.
In all the the Star Wars films they block single and slow automatic laser fire fine. But high speed bullets?
I don't see his removable helmet being a weakness in this fight though. If blade ever got close enough to do such a thing Vader can just Force Push him back.
If only Vader had the speed feats Anakin had in SWep1 he would be nearly unstoppable.
SW is very inconsistent with their feats.
Originally posted by the ninjakThe Jedi/Sith also blocked multiple shots coming from many different directions. They do have pre-cog abilities which is why Qui-Gon talks about Jedi reflexes.
There is also no proof that a Jedi/Sith can block automatic projectile gunfire.
In all the the Star Wars films they block single and slow automatic laser fire fine. But high speed bullets?I don't see his removable helmet being a weakness in this fight though. If blade ever got close enough to do such a thing Vader can just Force Push him back.
If only Vader had the speed feats Anakin had in SWep1 he would be nearly unstoppable.
SW is very inconsistent with their feats.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I don't see his removable helmet being a weakness in this fight though. If blade ever got close enough to do such a thing Vader can just Force Push him back.If only Vader had the speed feats Anakin had in SWep1 he would be nearly unstoppable.
SW is very inconsistent with their feats.
That's the thing, he couldn't stop high speed bullets IMO. A blast of energy is highly visible, can easily be deflected off his lighsaber and stopped by his hands. It works to his advantage, but this doesn't. He never uses force push as armoured Vader only has force choke and telekinesis. With the telekinesis, removing a gun out of Solo's hand is one thing but trying that on Blade is another.
If we were talking about Anakin/Vader I still don't see how effective he will be. The addition of all his other abilties are something Blade can match as Blade has superhuman speed, strength, jumping ability and Anakin will no longer will be armoured, which would remove the breathing apparatus weakness but leave him exposed to gunfire/sword strikes.
Yes, they are very inconsistent with feats but that's GL for you.
Originally posted by the ninjakConsidering they were used and able to hit fleeing vehicles I'm gonna go with no they weren't that slow.
Yes but on screen they are slow as heck.
Look at the the droids firing in AOTC clone they were essentially laser machine guns. Now I'm not gonna make the claim they were as fast bullets, but they weren't slow.
It's not like Han Solo went oh their shooting at me. I can see the laser traveling at my face I'm gonna step to the side.
Originally posted by Newjak
Now I'm not gonna make the claim they were as fast bullets, but they weren't slow.
Of course but you have to remember that the laser blasts in SW follow a straight path so easier to counter; if a laser blaster fired shots at several trajectories at high speed even a Jedi/Sith couldn't keep them all out.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow ZThe Jedi/Sith have Precog why do you think they can no look block a blaster shot from behind like Anakin did in ROTS.
Of course but you have to remember that the laser blasts in SW follow a straight path so easier to counter; if a laser blaster fired shots at several trajectories at high speed even a Jedi/Sith couldn't keep them all out.
Plus bullets for the most part follow a straight path. It's not like they are gonna take a huge dip in trajectory over what is probably going to be distances involved here. I could be wrong I'm no bullet expert but I highly doubt they will.
Unless you're talking about the fact someone will shoot at different areas in which case that happened all the time in Star Wars.