Originally posted by JakeTheBankWhy? Because you think he should?
Simon's only saving grace is his speed and flight, and even then, Hercules would merc him in close quarters.
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My thinking so should be enough 😎 but I am basing it on Simon's performance against top tier characters.
Thor was so desperate against him that he had to charge the hammer up for a final strike rather than risk being KO'd by him.
The Abomination when he was considered Hulk's superior in base strength couldn't put down Simon.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
My thinking so should be enough 😎 but I am basing it on Simon's performance against top tier characters.Thor was so desperate against him that he had to charge the hammer up for a final strike rather than risk being KO'd by him.
The Abomination when he was considered Hulk's superior in base strength couldn't put down Simon.
And Hercules performance against top tier characters doesn't count?
Simon already tried to prove he was in Thor's class physically. And he kinda failed to do that. Hercules on the other hand, never had to struggle to prove that.
At best, Simon might have some overall better durability feats due to his ionic form, but when it comes to sheer strength, Hercules has him beat, which is what this thread is all about.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
My thinking so should be enough 😎 but I am basing it on Simon's performance against top tier characters.
Simon knocking out Hercules is far from a sure thimg. I could see him winning on a good day (Not far off in strength, as durable, and has flight, speed etc. on his side) but Hercules taking him out is a real possibility. It's probably the likely outcome nowadays.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Thor was so desperate against him that he had to charge the hammer up for a final strike rather than risk being KO'd by him.
Desperate? Exaggeration but it was probably Simon's best showing like ever. The implication was that Simon has the edge over Thor strength wise (At least over a regular day Thor) but that's more of an outlier than Spider-Man knocking out Firelord.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
The Abomination when he was considered Hulk's superior in base strength couldn't put down Simon.
By base, you mean a calm state right?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
At best, Simon might have some overall better durability feats due to his ionic form, but when it comes to sheer strength, Hercules has him beat, which is what this thread is all about.
pretty much, though i would doubt his durability is any better tahn herc's. simon would put up a good fight, like he would against any top tier brick, but herc takes him for the heavy majority after extended battles imo.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Simon knocking out Hercules is far from a sure thimg. I could see him winning on a good day (Not far off in strength, as durable, and has flight, speed etc. on his side) but Hercules taking him out is a real possibility. It's probably the likely outcome nowadays.Desperate? Exaggeration but it was probably Simon's best showing like ever. The implication was that Simon has the edge over Thor strength wise (At least over a regular day Thor) but that's more of an outlier than Spider-Man knocking out Firelord.
By base, you mean a calm state right?
Desperate isn't an exaggeration? IIRC Simon just knocked Thor several feet away and Thor had to charge the hammer before Simon reached him. Now for a character that routinely brawls with the Hulk out of pride rather than just use mjolnir that is saying something.
I do mean Hulk's calm state as his base level.
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Desperate isn't an exaggeration? IIRC Simon just knocked Thor several feet away and Thor had to charge the hammer before Simon reached him. Now for a character that routinely brawls with the Hulk out of pride rather than just use mjolnir that is saying something.I do mean Hulk's calm state as his base level.
It is.
He used Mjolnir to claim his power edge. The implication of that fight was that Simon has the edge in raw strength over regular Thor but I'm not taking it any further. That in itself by the way is a laughable notion. It's like Wonder Woman being stronger than Superman. F*cking fanboy writers.
He wasn't fighting Mangog, desperation is an exaggeration.
hmm.. if we go by lifting feats i think Herc has this. But if we go by blitzing and pushing, i don't think anyone here can physically stop Colossus. He is supposed to be literally unstoppable in a forward motion..pushing kuurth back and kuurth being thrown like a rag doll at 600 mph is no joke and slamming the giant phalanx to the ground was impressive too.
Herc, Colossus, BRB and Rulk should be generally be in the same class...In physical brawl with out any teleportation or energy blasts or flight, I don't see anyone stopping Colossus. Although part of that is due to his regen and unlimited endurance so it's not all strength based