Maxima, Aquaman & Martian Manhunter vs. Apocalypse, Stryfe & Mr. Sinister

Originally posted by zopzop
The point was, the guy that's held his own and beaten guys like Prime Eternal Ikaris, High Evolutionary, Exodus, Prof X. and Jean Grey, would CRUSH AM. And it would be 2 on 3. Team 2 wins.

And seeing how Team One has a member with a fire weakness, sh|t would just start going down hill fast from there. None of Team 2 has weaknesses that Team One can exploit.

Aquaman is the weakest member on Team 1. Posting over and over again that Apocalypse would beat him (based on nothing more than ABC logic) is pretty irrelevant when Aquaman has Maxima and Martian Manhunter at his back.

Not only is Team DC packing a lot more telepathic might, as well as collective physical strength, they're also each a hell of a lot faster than Marvel, and they each individually fight with a greater level of prowess than the X-villains.

Apocalypse wouldn't be able to touch J'onn, much less light him on fire. Marvel is solidly outclassed in this match.

Originally posted by Existere
2 on 3, I'd still take DC, which I already said. Sinister offers literally nothing, and spouting off Apocalypse's high end feats to prove that he could take Aquaman once again offers no reason to back up Marvel winning this match.

Aquaman is the weakest member on Team 1. Posting over and over again that Apocalypse would beat him (based on nothing more than ABC logic) is pretty irrelevant when Aquaman has Maxima and Martian Manhunter at his back.

Not only is Team DC packing a lot more telepathic might, as well as collective physical strength, they're also each a hell of a lot faster than Marvel, and they each individually fight with a greater level of prowess than the X-villains.

Apocalypse wouldn't be able to touch J'onn, much less light him on fire. Marvel is solidly outclassed in this match.

Strye and Sinister would more than hold their own vs MM and Maxima while AM went down hard and fast like the piece of garbage that he is. Then it'd be 3 powerful telepaths with excellent durability vs 2 powerful telepaths with excellent durability. Except NO ONE on Team 2 has any exploitable weakness while someone on Team 1 does.

You just don't like Aquaman, I think.

And Arthur's durability is more than enough to keep him in the fight, as is his telepathy.

DC wins. Handily.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You just don't like Aquaman, I think.

And Arthur's durability is more than enough to keep him in the fight, as is his telepathy.

I don't like him because he's overrated. He wouldn't last more than a panel against Apocalypse and he wouldn't make it passed a few panels vs Sinister or Stryfe.

I already linked to the Apoc Respect Thread showing his strength/energy/body manip/tp feats.

Here's Sinister's :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=438339&pagenumber=2

He'd own AM too. It's going to come down to 2 TPs vs 3 TPs and no one on Team 2 has a weakness.

2nd team is highly underestimated

Originally posted by zopzop
I don't like him because he's overrated. He wouldn't last more than a panel against Apocalypse and he wouldn't make it passed a few panels vs Sinister or Stryfe.

I already linked to the Apoc Respect Thread showing his strength/energy/body manip/tp feats.

Here's Sinister's :
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=438339&pagenumber=2

He'd own AM too. It's going to come down to 2 TPs vs 3 TPs and no one on Team 2 has a weakness.

If anything Aquaman is underrated on this board. He'd give Sinister a hell of a time and possibly beat him.

He's lasted more than a panel against bigger guys than Apocalypse, so I don't get where this "weak link" thing is coming from.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If anything Aquaman is underrated on this board. He'd give Sinister a hell of a time and possibly beat him.

He's lasted more than a panel against bigger guys than Apocalypse, so I don't get where this "weak link" thing is coming from.

He absolutely would not beat Sinister. Sorry. Not physically or in a psi war.

This is just one of the ways Apocalypse would end AM, if he was serious about doing so :
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocmorph4.png
That's Prime Eternal Ikaris he's destroying. Eternals have total control over their molecular structure and that's why Ikaris didn't outright die. AM wouldn't be so fortunate.

Sorry, but Stryfe or Apoc stand no chance against the MM or Maxima. Team 1.

Originally posted by zopzop
Strye and Sinister would more than hold their own vs MM and Maxima while AM went down hard and fast like the piece of garbage that he is. Then it'd be 3 powerful telepaths with excellent durability vs 2 powerful telepaths with excellent durability. Except NO ONE on Team 2 has any exploitable weakness while someone on Team 1 does.

Marvel's team doesn't have '3 powerful telepaths'. They have Apocalypse, who doesn't have a single real telepathic feat, and they have Sinister - the last impressive thing he did telepathically was what? Fight Psylocke (pre-asian) on the astral plane? Meh, not really in J'onn or Maxima (or Arthur's) caliber.

Further, J'onn and Maxima are miles more powerful telepathically than Stryfe.

Also, I'd take Aquaman in a fight vs. Sinister. For what it's worth.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Sorry, but Stryfe or Apoc stand no chance against the MM or Maxima. Team 1.

Apocalypse would absolutely crush either of them. The way he handled Exodus (the same Exodus that went toe to toe vs Sersi and had the upper hand till he was called away) is all one needs to know.

Originally posted by Existere
lolwut?

Marvel's team doesn't have '3 powerful telepaths'. They have Apocalypse, who doesn't have a single real telepathic feat, and they have Sinister - the last impressive thing he did telepathically was what? Fight Psylocke (pre-asian) on the astral plane? Meh, not really in J'onn or Maxima (or Arthur's) caliber.

Further, J'onn and Maxima are miles more powerful telepathically than Stryfe.

Also, I'd take Aquaman in a fight vs. Sinister. For what it's worth.

Check the respect threads. Apoc owned Jean and Prof X. telepathically.

MM and Maxima are not miles more powerful telepathically than Stryfe. At all.

No, he wouldn't. He doesn't the feats to back it up.

Originally posted by zopzop
Apocalypse would absolutely crush either of them. The way he handled Exodus (the same Exodus that went toe to toe vs Sersi and had the upper hand till he was called away) is all one needs to know.

Originally posted by zopzop
Check the respect threads. Apoc owned Jean and Prof X. telepathically.

MM and Maxima are not miles more powerful telepathically than Stryfe. At all.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=474929&pagenumber=2#post10064189

Just catch yourself up to date.

yo smurph--you seem quick to toss away sinister in this match, who i've always thought was a pretty tough bastard (from a few of his showings). just wondering how come? not sure apoc could use tp, but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't take him out with it. he's pretty versatile and i think would be difficult to take out physically.

sorry pr, am has said a couple times that mm is quite a bit beyond him tp-wise. one time he even says j'onn is 10x the telepath he is. that is not true, but mm is quite a bit beyond him and on land, i don't see arthur being much of a factor here. stryfe has some pretty good feats as well. underestimating? maybe, but i'm just going by his most consistent showings i think.

seems perhaps the marvel side is being slightly underestimated. i at least think it would be a close fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
yo smurph--you seem quick to toss away sinister in this match, who i've always thought was a pretty tough bastard (from a few of his showings). just wondering how come? not sure apoc could use tp, but i'm pretty sure they wouldn't take him out with it. he's pretty versatile and i think would be difficult to take out physically.

I don't see Arthur's telepathy, though strong, as being much of a factor here, given that he's got J'onn and Max on his team. Aquaman's also really fast and strong, enough so to be a nuisance to Apocalypse and a real problem for Stryfe.

On the flip side, I think telepathy might be all that Sinister offers offensively, and I see him as being sincerely outclassed by his opponents. Other than that, Sinister has an annoying physiology and energy blasts sometimes...

Basically, if he goes up against Arthur, I figure they'd just go back and forth until J'onn and Maxima were done with Stryfe and Apocalypse. If Sinister doesn't take a telepathic route, he seems mostly ignorable.

Originally posted by Existere
It's mostly just because I don't feel like Sinister would play a heavy factor in the way this match goes.

I don't see Arthur's telepathy, though strong, as being much of a factor here, given that he's got J'onn and Max on his team. Aquaman's also really fast and strong, enough so to be a nuisance to Apocalypse and a real problem for Stryfe.

On the flip side, I think telepathy might be all that Sinister offers offensively, and I see him as being sincerely outclassed by his opponents. Other than that, Sinister has an annoying physiology and energy blasts sometimes...

Basically, if he goes up against Arthur, I figure they'd just go back and forth until J'onn and Maxima were done with Stryfe and Apocalypse. If Sinister doesn't take a telepathic route, he seems mostly ignorable.

fair enough. i would say sinister's tp>arthur's and overall i'd give sinister the nod in a straight 1on1 battle against him. his couple showings against nate (x-man) really stick in my head and he's beat down x-factor and the x-men pretty easily..... i'd say he could hold his own against max or j'onn. i'd say apoc could do likewise, given some of his better showings. imo i could see apoc and sinister holding off jonn and max and i can see stryfe taking out am. it wouldn't play out that way all the time, but i could see it happening some of the time at least.

meh, don't feel too strongly about this match, but to me, it's pretty close.

Originally posted by leonidas
fair enough. i would say sinister's tp>arthur's and overall i'd give sinister the nod in a straight 1on1 battle against him. his couple showings against nate (x-man) really stick in my head and he's beat down x-factor and the x-men pretty easily..... i'd say he could hold his own against max or j'onn. i'd say apoc could do likewise, given some of his better showings. imo i could see apoc and sinister holding off jonn and max and i can see stryfe taking out am. it wouldn't play out that way all the time, but i could see it happening some of the time at least.

meh, don't feel too strongly about this match, but to me, it's pretty close.

But yeah, meh.

again team two aren't pushovers

hey smurph

how does team one handle warren who had the all powerful celestial death seed

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why is maxima here

she's a girl

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