Maxima, Aquaman & Martian Manhunter vs. Apocalypse, Stryfe & Mr. Sinister

Started by zopzop8 pages
Originally posted by Sin I AM
he is herald, whether u like it or not whereas sinister isnt

If AM is "herald" level then Sinister is freaking Trans. But we know neither of those statements are true. AM is not herald level at all.

Sinister has no feats that put him on that level. He has a few good showings, of course, but Aquaman has more.

Originally posted by zopzop
If AM is "herald" level then Sinister is freaking Trans. But we know neither of those statements are true. AM is not herald level at all.

Agreed. I never thought Aquaman was Low Herald. He's soldly in High Meta in my book. Strength/durability-wise, he's below Colossus. Telepathy-wise, he's below Emma Frost or Sinister.

AM has more than one way to take down someone through the brain. His tp works differently than say Stryfe's. And it WILL work. Strength wise, he can hang with some of the best for a little while at least. He's certainly stronger than Sinister. Faster to boot.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Agreed. I never thought Aquaman was Low Herald. He's soldly in High Meta in my book. Strength/durability-wise, he's below Colossus. Telepathy-wise, he's below Emma Frost or Sinister.

Insinuating that Emma and Sinister are comparable tp-wise?

Originally posted by Konton
Insinuating that Emma and Sinister are comparable tp-wise?

Well according to Exodus, he, Emma, Sinister, Jean and Xavier were all roughly in the same top tier of Earth telepaths.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Well according to Exodus, he, Emma, Sinister, Jean and Xavier were all roughly in the same top tier of Earth telepaths.

Idk, all I can remember Sinister doing is knocking down Nate via tp, taking out Betsy, and mindraping a tp-less Jean Grey.

Emma, on the other hand, has blocked Exodus, Lady Mastermind, and Sinister from accessing their powers, without aid from cerebra, while sitting on a sofa half way across the globe.

Originally posted by Konton
Idk, all I can remember Sinister doing is knocking down Nate via tp, taking out Betsy, and mindraping a tp-less Jean Grey.

Emma, on the other hand, has blocked Exodus, Lady Mastermind, and Sinister from accessing their powers, without aid from cerebra, while sitting on a sofa half way across the globe.

She didn't block their access to their powers. She blocked their access to the X-men's minds. Sinister and Exodus I'm sure could still blast energy and use telekinesis. It's not like she's powerful enough to shut down their minds halfway across the globe without Cerebra.

Originally posted by Glorificus
She didn't block their access to their powers. She blocked their access to the X-men's minds. Sinister and Exodus I'm sure could still blast energy and use telekinesis. It's not like she's powerful enough to shut down their minds halfway across the globe without Cerebra.
This she was just protecting her team from tp assault

Pretty sure it was implied that they were helpless. Sinister couldn't get into their minds, Exodus couldn't do anything and was BFR-d by Nightcrawler, and it wasnt until Emma broke concentration that Sinister's tk came back online (he was left kneeling and out of the fight until Pixie screamed and Emma broke off)

Even if she was just shielding them, which I don't think the context agrees with, that's pretty amazing considering the distance and lack of effort. The whole thing was played out to make Emma seem badass. When the scene cut back to where she was, Cyclops started talking to her and all she had to say was "Miles away, darling" or something to that effect.

Originally posted by zopzop
If AM is "herald" level then Sinister is freaking Trans. But we know neither of those statements are true. AM is not herald level at all.

His durability is if we talk about blunt force trauma (he'd be above, say, Colossus for example). And his strength is enough to knock people like J'onn and Superboy on their asses.

He might not be herald, but he's very close to it.

I'd consider classic Aquaman to be High Meta/Low Herald. Hell, can't he basically summon C'thulu like beings if he was inclined to?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I'd consider classic Aquaman to be High Meta/Low Herald. Hell, can't he basically summon C'thulu like beings if he was inclined to?

Pretty much, though I think we were more talking about his straight up physicality.

his strength, speed and durability are low herald level ...and his tp makes up for any shortcomings he may have...plus his feats plant him firmly in the herald category

Originally posted by Sin I AM
his strength, speed and durability are low herald level ...and his tp makes up for any shortcomings he may have...plus his feats plant him firmly in the herald category

His strength, at its highest is maybe low herald, but i'd say more high meta. Durability is up there, and speed is... Not sure tbh. Travel speed yes, but reflexes are nothing most streets havent done.

Originally posted by -Pr-
His strength, at its highest is maybe low herald, but i'd say more high meta. Durability is up there, and speed is... Not sure tbh. Travel speed yes, but reflexes are nothing most streets havent done.

who are we talking about here current? or pre-reboot

Originally posted by Sin I AM
who are we talking about here current? or pre-reboot

Both, as they seem to be pretty similar imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Both, as they seem to be pretty similar imo.

no dont really think so...the new AM is more susceptible to being out of water...and less durrable imo

yall just don't play fair 😛

sinister stole tiamut's reality warping power for a bit

he's very smart, cunning and has toyed with many for a long time

i asked who counters warren with the celestial death seed...i guess no one

stryfe isn't weak at all

t2 is being very very undersold here

peer into the abilities and feats of t2 before saying t1 automatically wins and its not just marvel>>>dc

😛 😛

Originally posted by guy222
yall just don't play fair 😛

sinister stole tiamut's reality warping power for a bit

he's very smart, cunning and has toyed with many for a long time

i asked who counters warren with the celestial death seed...i guess no one

stryfe isn't weak at all

t2 is being very very undersold here

peer into the abilities and feats of t2 before saying t1 automatically wins and its not just marvel>>>dc

😛 😛


Sinister doesn't have tiamut's powers here and its classic apocalypse not archangel. Not really, team 1 wins and its nothing to do with DC>>>marvel.