Maxima, Aquaman & Martian Manhunter vs. Apocalypse, Stryfe & Mr. Sinister

Started by Prep-Man8 pages

Nothing there that shows he can hang with top tiers like Arthur has.

Originally posted by zopzop
In his respect thread I linked too. Holding off Psylocke while facing multiple X-Men on the Astral Plane. Returning X-Man's psibolt back at him and magnifying the power 10 times. It's all there and more.

hey zop

do u think anyone on team 1 has a feat comparable to what mr sin just pulled off

Turning Nate Grey's psychic attack around on him alone is a feat beyond anything Aquaman could do. Nate Grey is certainly a more powerful telepath than the "Top Tiers" Aquaman supposedly can hang with. Heck even his tranny clone is probably a better telepath than Arthur as she was able to detect and avoid psychic traps that Xavier couldn't detect.

Pre-Shaman Nate? And Aquaman has resisted Maxima's mental brainwashing, who is on par with Sinister.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Pre-Shaman Nate? And Aquaman has resisted Maxima's mental brainwashing, who is on par with Sinister.

For the record, Aquaman managed to shrug off her hypnotic stare. That's not the same thing as her mind control.

Damn, how many types of mental attacks does she have? It's still a good showing for Arthur's will power. He has a lot of mental resisting attacks. Mainly ones from his rogue gallery.

Originally posted by zopzop
Either Sinister or Apoc can reflect AM's psibolt back at him like they've done on panel before. In Sinister's case, he'd reflect it back on AM and multiply it 10 times, like he did vs X-Man (who IMHO is a FAR superior Psi than AM).

AM is by far the weakest link in this match up.

I'd like to see Sinister try, tbh. Arthur is not often portrayed as a surgeon with his telepathy, but more a sledgehammer, an overriding will that bends his enemies to it and forces them to submit. I could see him putting the hurt on Sinister as often as Sinister might take him down.

Honestly, you calling the guy a piece of garbage makes me wonder if you've actually read much about the guy.

Originally posted by zopzop
But I am saying "anything" I'm disputing the fact that AM has a better record than Sinister. That is straight up false.

Of telepathic skill? No. Of telepathic will? Arthur could easily edge it, imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
always a caveat. 🙂

Maybe in the early 90s, but I don't think so nowadays, tbh. Even in the early 00s, it wasn't as big a deal imo.

Rachel Grey (and this was when she could tap into the Phoenix Force) tried to sledgehammer her way to victory with Emma Frost. How did that turn out?

Originally posted by Glorificus
Rachel Grey (and this was when she could tap into the Phoenix Force) tried to sledgehammer her way to victory with Emma Frost. How did that turn out?

Rachel =/= Arthur, though, and I did say "not often". He has instances of using impressive skill when he's needed to.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. Two people on team 2, Apoc and Sinister, have complete control of their bodies down to the molecular level. Physical attacks aren't gonna do anything to them. So that's out.

Again, comes down to Team 2 having ZERO weaknesses while Team 1 has the weak link and a member weak to a common element. Again, Team 2 wins.


You are taking molecular control too far, people with total molecular control have been beaten with just punches before. Heck j'onn himself has total control over his molecules and captain marvel almost killed him while brainwashed by mere punches. You are also taking weakness exploitation too far, j'onn has worked around it. Nobody in team 2 has strength or speed to match manhunter, team 1 wins handidly.

Apocalypse has no business here.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Damn, how many types of mental attacks does she have? It's still a good showing for Arthur's will power. He has a lot of mental resisting attacks. Mainly ones from his rogue gallery.

Agreed.

That said, I don't think it matters in this match up. I haven't seen anything in this thread that would lead me to believe that Sinister, Stryfe, or Apocalypse are immune to having Aquaman do the tapdance on their mutant basal ganglia. Being that they are in fact mutants, one would be silly to bet against basic evolutionary biology. Certainly, they are not better off than a White Martian.

Stryfe punks Martian Manhunter...just too da** powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Stryfe punks Martian Manhunter...just too da** powerful.

What has stryfe done to beat j'onn?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What has stryfe done to beat j'onn?

abolutely nothing....this marvel cock-riding is non-sensical. Maxima is more than capable of taking a good solid majority of anyone on team two, total molecular control is nothing seeing how "PRIME Eternal" Ikaris has it, and its never prevented him getting ktfo. MM is being underrated, he is the swiss army knife of the league....more than capable of hanging with supes and his weakness exploitation (iirc he doesnt have it anymore) can be easily overcome; phasing. Which leaves Aquaman a herald level brick with TP, and the ability to induce seisures in humans...something someone like stryfe could not prevent. Plus its a common misconception that out of water Aquaman immediately gets weaker...it takesa prolonged period of time for that to happen. Anyone whos held his own against despero, casually hung at depths that were cracking gl constructs, and mind controlled supes is no pushover

morning sin

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Which leaves Aquaman a herald level brick with TP

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Originally posted by zopzop
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he is herald, whether u like it or not whereas sinister isnt

Originally posted by carver9
Stryfe punks Martian Manhunter...just too da** powerful.
Proof?

Originally posted by zopzop
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Originally posted by zopzop
Wrong. Two people on team 2, Apoc and Sinister, have complete control of their bodies down to the molecular level. Physical attacks aren't gonna do anything to them. So that's out.

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