Exar Kun vs. Revan

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Most people agreed with my assertion that Sidious would defeat Vitiate in an all out contest but would lose the force contest by a little bit.
Sidious does make Sith Lords who fry people instantly seem inferior.
Lol so somehow not being able to vanquish the greatest master of the light side up to that point with lightning means that Vitiate>Sidious?
How about we play another game, everytime you make an argument with a fallacy in it you take a shot. Maybe it might make your arguments meaningful.

Nobody has agreed with anything you've stated. It's the people around you who presented arguments.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Nobody has agreed with anything you've stated. It's the people around you who presented arguments.

@ Mizukage Yoda

Go through the presented information and arguments in the associated thread again. You will notice that several people disagreed with you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

However, with passage of time; Sith began to reduce their dependency upon the amulets and other devices to gain access to great power. They began to focus on their command of the Force at personal capacity instead.

That and the emperors voice(his full power and mind transfers to any body he wishes) got easily ravaged by an evil entity on voss and his avatar was completely taken over that he was trapped there and needed the emperors wrath(the sith warrior) to kill his avatar to set him free from that asylum.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Don't forget that your previous Vitiate heavily relied on trinkets and rituals far more than Exar kun ever did. Oh right you don't know because you never played the game either.

That and the emperors voice(his full power and mind transfers to any body he wishes) got easily ravaged by an evil entity on voss and his avatar was completely taken over that he was trapped there and needed the emperors wrath(the sith warrior) to kill his avatar to set him free from that asylum. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington

Nothing indicates that it was his full power. Everything indicates it was an extension of his will. If YOU'VE played the game as a sith warrior, you'd know that Baras is trying to convince everyone that he's the new Voice. The voice is obviously a position or title with some benefit, such as the Emperor's extension. If the Emperor's full power and mind were in the Voice, the Dark Council would easily be able to tell if Baras was lying or not. Also, I'm not sure that Sel Makor is any kind of a pushover.

The thing im trying to point out is that despite Vitiates supremacy over the majority of SW characters, his will and mind is completely over powered by sel makor to the point where he needed his wrath to aid him.

He doesn't simply just "reach out" to his voice, he becomes the very person he puts his mind into. Kind of similar like how Sidious and his clones work. Of course i'd still argue that vitiate was at a great disadvantage seeing how he was trapped there.

As for on topic no, i don't agree Kun would "stomp" on Revan at all. In fact i'd argue that if it was the same strike team that beat Revan down, they would stomp even harder on Kun.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Read the codex. It clearly states his powers and mind transfers over.

The thing im trying to point out is that despite Vitiates supremacy over the majority of SW characters, his will and mind is completely over powered by sel makor to the point where he needed his wrath to aid him.

He doesn't simply just "reach out" to his voice, he becomes the very person he puts his mind into. Kind of similar like how Sidious and his clones work. Of course i'd still argue that vitiate was at a great disadvantage seeing how he was trapped there.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Wonderful. So apparently you've never played the game either (despite criticizing someone else for not playing it), and you're just taking one quote as the end all be all, without understanding that everything in the game suggests something different.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington

It's not his will and mind. He makes it clear that he's weakened by his current body and he's only able to overcome Sel Makor if he dies, which Sel Makor won't allow. Since Voss is Sel Makor's domain, it stands to reason that it's more of a testament to the entity's power rather than Vitiate's weakness.

In game codex about the voice For centuries, the Emperor’s Voice has delivered the Sith leader’s commandments to his servants. In fact, to converse with the Emperor’s Voice is to have an audience with the Emperor himself, whose power and consciousness have been placed within the Voice’s body.

Although the audible voice never changes, the physical individual who does the speaking has assumed many forms–various accounts describe the Emperor’s Voice as anyone from a young human female to an elderly full-blooded Sith male. Regardless of physical appearance, however, the Emperor’s Voice can always be identified by its emotionless, precise and controlled manner of speaking. Some have privately described conversations with this entity as extremely disturbing; there is often the sense that the Emperor’s Voice is listening to another conversation even when he or she is speaking.

Sounds more like you didn't play the game considering your constant moaning about how bioware ignores canon etc etc and claiming how BS the game is, and then claiming that an entire party of level 42's couldnt beat Revan and had an easier time with HK.

You remember when legend kept posting the videos where the emperor unleashes his lightning storm against the Jedi knight and his friends?

Spoiler:
that was the voice of the emperor too, the actual and real emperor doesnt appear in the game

Originally posted by shinkoryu
Sounds more like you didn't play the game considering your constant moaning about how bioware ignores canon etc etc and claiming how BS the game is, and then claiming that an entire party of level 42's couldnt beat Revan and had an easier time with HK.

You remember when legend kept posting the videos where the emperor unleashes his lightning storm against the Jedi knight and his friends?

Spoiler:
that was the voice of the emperor too, the actual and real emperor doesnt appear in the game

. So yes, my arguments DO stand, his mind and powers DO transfer to the voices body. [/B]

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Wonderful. So now I don't play the game because I don't take the quote as the ultimate authority when there is much more involved in the game? As opposed to you who has no idea what's going on in the game? And what does gameplay have to do with anything? Yes, HK 47 was tougher than Revan because of various factors, does that mean he's more powerful than Revan? LOL@your argument

But its obvious you didn't play the game, virtually nobody has ever stated that Revan was a Harder boss than HK and aren't you one of the more fanatical Revan fanboys? Well that explains why you tried to claim Revan being a hard ass boss even when above level 40 which isn't the case seeing that the whole fight with Revan was basically a tank and spank with no adds or strategy.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington

Your arguments don't stand for the aforementioned reasons.

Hell theres plenty of reason to doubt Baras, didn't you realize when one becomes the voice, his voice literally changes to good ol vitiates voice as well? There goes another of your argument down the drain.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't you agree not to bring that up anymore?

wut?

Janus mentioned how much it annoys him when you throw accusations about his past in his face on ROK. I thought you said you'd stop bring it up, though I might be remembering it wrong.

No, Janus said he hated it when I referenced him to other people. Here, I'm speaking to him directly and encouraging everyone involved to not allow this discussion to devolve into hurling accusations of bias.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Most people agreed with my assertion that Sidious would defeat Vitiate in an all out contest but would lose the force contest by a little bit.

This, by the by, is an appeal to the majority and has no logical basis in whether or not your assertion was sound.

Originally posted by shinkoryu
And it seems you aren't intelligent enough to realize(funny, seeing how you always point out how unintelligent others are) that i was speaking in the context of gameplay mechanics. How can you LOL@ an argument that was never made 🙄?

But its obvious you didn't play the game, virtually nobody has ever stated that Revan was a Harder boss than HK and aren't you one of the more fanatical Revan fanboys? Well that explains why you tried to claim Revan being a hard !@#$%^&* boss even when above level 40 which isn't the case seeing that the whole fight with Revan was basically a tank and spank with no adds or strategy.

Jesus H. Christ, resize that pic.

Originally posted by Herbert Spencer
No, Janus said he hated it when I referenced him to other people. Here, I'm speaking to him directly and encouraging everyone involved to not allow this discussion to devolve into hurling accusations of bias.

Ah.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ah.

For the record, I think much of Janus's argument is convincing. Though I am inclined to side with DS that the narrative claim that Kun's powers are amplified hundreds of thousands of times is hyperbolic, if only for the fact that that should have enabled him to stop the Jedi outright during their final assault on Yavin.

Yeah, I agree. Though personally I think Kun could probably kick Revans ass, as well as Nyris'. Maybe at the same time. His amulet is just too haxxed.

Still having trouble understanding Exar Kun's superiority on the basis of him being the best in his era while Revan had more competition. Also, if Kun could have used those amulet blasts anytime he wanted, it's logical to assume he could have wasted Ulic and that tree jedi any time he wanted.

Ulic also had an amulet iirc. And given that the tree jedi survived a supernova, it probably wasn't as simple as just blasting him.

Sedriss must be a badass to destroy Ood Bnar (sp?) with lightning if the guy survived a supernova. I forgot all about that.