Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
She fought Aizen without her sword. F*ck not using Shikai, she fought a living god with her bare hands.And skill. But I'm not really seeing it. Sure, his Getsuga was impressive I guess.
But I prefer...
That's your case? Seriously? Yeah, Yoruichi is inferior to Isshin.
Bare hands? Lulz. Then Isshin fought a living god with a butter knife, and did more damage to him with one slice than Yoruichi ever did with multiple punches. 313
GT did more damage. That attack, while awesome, was just a diversion. You can tell by how Aizen had his "OH SHIT, EVERYTHING'S BACKWARDS" face on when Isshin used GT. awesome
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That's your case? Seriously? Yeah, Yoruichi is inferior to Isshin.
Bare hands? Lulz. Then Isshin fought a living god with a butter knife, and did more damage to him with one slice than Yoruichi ever did with multiple punches. 313GT did more damage. That attack, while awesome, was just a diversion.
You're implying that the boxing gloves she was wearing is a more potent weapon than a Zanpakuto, sealed or not. This is silly.
And looked more impressive. 😮
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You're implying that the boxing gloves she was wearing is a more potent weapon than a Zanpakuto, sealed or not. This is silly.And looked more impressive. 😮
Bare hands are more impressive than a butter knife. Is that seriously what you got from my post? Re-read my post.
Either way, Isshin is still > Yoruichi regardless of what they used. You bring her Bankai to the table, and I bring Isshin's overall superior physical stats, Bankai & FGT. I still win. 313
Big whoop. 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Bare hands are more impressive than a butter knife. Is that seriously what you got from my post? Re-read my post.
Either way, Isshin is still > Yoruichi regardless of what they used. You bring her Bankai to the table, and I bring Isshin's overall superior physical stats, Bankai & FGT. I still win. 313Big whoop. 😛
Nah.
Whoa what? Where are you getting these superior stats from? Strength I'll give you(though Yoruichi is still capable of similar feats with just her fists) but speed? Kido? Intelligence? I'm not seeing anything to suggest he is better at those. And sweet, FGT. That move where he has to set and go into his sword, thus being open to attack.
>_>
I'm not saying Isshin is strictly weaker than them. Personally, I'd consider them to be on a relatively equal level. If I had to pick a strongest of the three, it would be Urahara, since Aizen seems to consider him more of a threat.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah.
Whoa what? Where are you getting these superior stats from? Strength I'll give you(though Yoruichi is still capable of similar feats with just her fists) but speed? Kido? Intelligence? I'm not seeing anything to suggest he is better at those. And sweet, FGT. That move where he has to set and go into his sword, thus being open to attack.>_>
I'm not saying Isshin is strictly weaker than them. Personally, I'd consider them to be on a relatively equal level. If I had to pick a strongest of the three, it would be Urahara, since Aizen seems to consider him more of a threat.
Feats.
Not really. She needs Shunko and/or that Armor to dish out the kind of strength that rivals what Aizen & Isshin can do. Isshin can do with one finger what she needs armor and fists to do.
I'll give you Kido, if only because she knows Shunko. Hasn't demonstrated any actual Kido though.
Speed's hers too obviously.
Seen nothing to suggest she is more intelligent than Isshin in combat. On the overall though, she probably is.
She's not as durable as he is.
She doesn't have as much Reiatsu as he does in all likelihood, and a fight between Shinigami is a clash of Reiatsu. kruemelmonsteryn0
No, you have it confused with Jinzen. Not like Yoruichi could hurt him even if he was sitting still. Yes, I too can act like a douchebag.
I mean FGT, where he simply transforms and proceeds to kill her.
Nah. Isshin taking on Aizen by himself when other captains failed miserably tells me otherwise.
Yes, I too would pick Urahara as the strongest out of those three, if only because his intelligence & tools are uber. With those tools and the right set-up, he could own Yamamoto, someone who is ridiculously beyond him in direct combat.
However, by his own admission, he would never have been able to pwn Aizen if he were his old self, unlike Isshin, who did. Ergo, Isshin's feats are superior. excellent
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Feats.
Not really. She needs Shunko and/or that Armor to dish out the kind of strength that rivals what Aizen & Isshin can do. Isshin can do with one finger what she needs armor and fists to do.
I'll give you Kido, if only because she knows Shunko. Hasn't demonstrated any actual Kido though.
Speed's hers too obviously.
Seen nothing to suggest she is more intelligent than Isshin in combat. On the overall though, she probably is.
She's not as durable as he is.
She doesn't have as much Reiatsu as he does in all likelihood, and a fight between Shinigami is a clash of Reiatsu. kruemelmonsteryn0
....Good thing she has those.
The finger was Kido.
Besides Isshin being stupid in general? 😮
Speed renders durability negligable.
Probably but is a guess. Still, the superior stats he has are in strenght and possibility reitsu.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No, you have it confused with Jinzen. Not like Yoruichi could hurt him even if he was sitting still. Yes, I too can act like a douchebag.
I mean FGT, where he simply transforms and proceeds to kill her.
Remind me what Jinzen is again. And if he had FGT on standby, why not use it on Aizen? :/
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah. Isshin taking on Aizen by himself when other captains failed miserably tells me otherwise.
Yes, I too would pick Urahara as the strongest out of those three, if only because his intelligence & tools are uber. With those tools and the right set-up, he could own Yamamoto, someone who is ridiculously beyond him in direct combat.
However, by his own admission, he would never have been able to pwn Aizen if he were his old self, unlike Isshin, who did. Ergo, Isshin's feats are superior. excellent
Aizen was also at his limit as a Shinigami, so how impressive that is is relative. And keep in mind, the Captains had been fighting a lot. Shinji was really the only one going into it fresh.
He didn't. 😮
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
....Good thing she has those.
The finger was Kido.
Besides Isshin being stupid in general? 😮
Speed renders durability negligable.
Probably but is a guess. Still, the superior stats he has are in strenght and possibility reitsu.
Armor isn't her standard equipment, and was given to her by Urahara.
Doubt that.
Not like Yoruichi acts any smarter than Isshin in general. 😛
Not really.
Reiatsu is all that matters in the end as per Aizen's words.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Remind me what Jinzen is again. And if he had FGT on standby, why not use it on Aizen? :/
The move where he has to sit and go into his sword, and is open to attack.
Same reason they all didn't use Bankai.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Aizen was also at his limit as a Shinigami, so how impressive that is is relative. And keep in mind, the Captains had been fighting a lot. Shinji was really the only one going into it fresh.He didn't. 😮
Reached said limit due to Isshin's efforts.
True, but were they burned out or even exhausted to the point where we could say they were at half strength? Nah.
Yes he did.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Armor isn't her standard equipment, and was given to her by Urahara.
Doubt that.
Not like Yoruichi acts any smarter than Isshin in general. 😛
Not really.
Reiatsu is all that matters in the end as per Aizen's words.
Shunko is.
It was.
She does.
Ya.
Aizen said that to a girl who was quite honestly almost empty in Reiatsu.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The move where he has to sit and go into his sword, and is open to attack.Same reason they all didn't use Bankai.
That's called Meditatition you ****er. I had no idea Kubo felt the need to call it something else. haermm
Perhaps FGT can only be used once. shrug I mean otherwise, Ichigo really didn't need to learn how to do it.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Reached said limit due to Isshin's efforts.
True, but were they burned out or even exhausted to the point where we could say they were at half strength? Nah.Yes he did.
He didn't do much though. 😮
Soi-Fon certainly was. She only uses her bankai like once every 3 days and she used it twice within an hour. There was no way she should have been above half. Hitsugaya would probably have been in a similar position, though less severe. Shinsui and Shinji have less of an excuse.
He fought a tired Aizen who didn't use his Shikai. Whoop.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Not only do I take databook stats with a grain of salt, but they are now outdated.
Yeah, Shunsui is scared of her, but then again, Unohana can scare the shit out of anyone even while smiling at them. Ergo, I think she could be anywhere between Yamamoto and Gin.
I disagree: the databook is still fairly accurate for even current Gotei.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Only Soi-Fon's is a complete turn around from her Shikai, but it is still an expansion. Ichigo's Bankai on the other hand isn't a turn around. It still uses his Spiritual power and converts it into a powerful attack. Only reason it is different from other Bankais is due to the fact that Bankais are normally expansions of power, whereas his Bankai is a compression of all that power. Its effect is still the same, albeit upgraded. That compression is the reason he can move fast enough to blitz Byakuya easily.
So yeah, while we definitely do not know what Shunsui's Bankai can do, odds of it being a massive expansion of his Shikai are very high, when you take into account most other Bankais, and Ukitake's statement concerning the use of Shunsui's Bankai.
I disagree, here, as well. Ichigo's is the exact opposite.
Large and combersome to ultra small and compressed. Ichigo's is probably the smallest Bankai. His shikai is among the largest, however.
As far as Shunsui, it is just as likely that his Bankai is something ridiculously unrelated as it is just an expansion of the field of effect.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
So it's settled then. My list trumps everyone else's lists since it lacks Unohana, and contains Yoruichi & Urahara. awesomeYou may all bow down to me now. excellent
I say thee nay! My list is in better order and I think I have a couple you didn't and don't have a couple you did not have.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yoruichi had trouble with Soifon.Aizen blitzed Soifon, Shunsui, and Hitsugaya at the same time.
Isshin was physically dominating Aizen.
Ergo, he could physically dominate Yoruichi. 🙂
http://www.mangareader.net/94-631-8/bleach/chapter-177.html
Yoruichi and Soi-Fon blitz Aizen.
But Neph is right, power scaling this will not work.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Shunko is.
It was.
She does.
Ya.
Aizen said that to a girl who was quite honestly almost empty in Reiatsu.
Too bad she needs both to do with two fists what Isshin does with one finger. vin
Nope. If it was, Kido goes to Isshin, not Yoruichi.
Not that I know of. It's one of her endearing qualities. Usually acting like that around others, unless she's serious and wants to kick ass. awesome
Nope.
Irrelevant. He has more reiatsu than either Yoruichi or Soi-Fon do at full power, as does Isshin, so his words still apply.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That's called Meditatition you ****er. I had no idea Kubo felt the need to call it something else. haermmPerhaps FGT can only be used once. shrug I mean otherwise, Ichigo really didn't need to learn how to do it.
Kubo calls it Jinzen. srug Don't worry. When I take over Bleach, I'm changing it to awesome spirit talking lap-in-sword deep meditation. excellent
Dunno. Don't even know why FGT takes away Shinigami/Hollow powers in the first place.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He didn't do much though. 😮
Soi-Fon certainly was. She only uses her bankai like once every 3 days and she used it twice within an hour. There was no way she should have been above half. Hitsugaya would probably have been in a similar position, though less severe. Shinsui and Shinji have less of an excuse.He fought a tired Aizen who didn't use his Shikai. Whoop.
Then relatively speaking, the others did not do anything.
Kay, so, other than Soi-Fon, Aizen took on Hitsugaya, Komamura, Love, Rose, Shinji, Shunsui, , and still had more than enough stamina to talk shit to Ichigo and Yamamoto, who he barely fought.
Prove he didn't use his Shikai. kruemelmonsteryn0 For all we know, Isshin has not seen the release much like his son.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree: the databook is still fairly accurate for even current Gotei.I disagree, here, as well. Ichigo's is the exact opposite.
Large and combersome to ultra small and compressed. Ichigo's is probably the smallest Bankai. His shikai is among the largest, however.
As far as Shunsui, it is just as likely that his Bankai is something ridiculously unrelated as it is just an expansion of the field of effect.
I disagree. It was a publicity stunt. Kubo just made those stats to shut the hippies up. awesome
Cumbersome my ass. Love's Shikai is cumbersome. Ichigo's is anything but.
If it were a complete turn like Soi-Fon's, Ichigo would have a tiny-ass knife Bankai that produced small shields or shot out farts. Clearly not the case. Its effect is nothing but an upgrade of its Shikai effect, and it only slightly shrinks in size.
Odds that it upgrades his Shikai's effect and range are far, far, greater than the odds of it being something completely unrelated. Only Soi-Fon's Bankai has been a complete turnabout in terms of effect, while Ichigo's is the only one that has been a turnabout in terms of size. Compare that to the rest of the Bankais we've seen, which are all expansions in size and effect.