Originally posted by marwash22
i have it on good authority that Shunsui's bankai is a giant Monopoly board.
My friend suggested Toon World.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Too bad she needs both to do with two fists what Isshin does with one finger. vin
Nope. If it was, Kido goes to Isshin, not Yoruichi.
Not that I know of. It's one of her endearing qualities. Usually acting like that around others, unless she's serious and wants to kick ass. awesome
Nope.
Irrelevant. He has more reiatsu than either Yoruichi or Soi-Fon do at full power, as does Isshin, so his words still apply.
So long as they're dead.
It wasn't as impressive as Shunko.
She acts playful, not really stupid. Isshin just acts really friggin goofy.
Yep.
Assumption. 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Kubo calls it Jinzen. srug Don't worry. When I take over Bleach, I'm changing it to awesome spirit talking lap-in-sword deep meditation. excellentDunno. Don't even know why FGT takes away Shinigami/Hollow powers in the first place.
Good.
Because the Shinigami didn't want the Quincy to show them up. Didn't work. Dangai Ichigo was not as cool as "F*ck you Spiritons, you all be my b!tches" Ishida.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Then relatively speaking, the others did not do anything.
Kay, so, other than Soi-Fon, Aizen took on Hitsugaya, Komamura, Love, Rose, Shinji, Shunsui, , and still had more than enough stamina to talk shit to Ichigo and Yamamoto, who he barely fought.Prove he didn't use his Shikai. kruemelmonsteryn0 For all we know, Isshin has not seen the release much like his son.
Thought he used Kyoka Suigetsu to do that.
Because it seemed to be the real Aizen. 😮
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
My friend suggested Toon World.Shunsui is Pegasus? mmm
So long as they're dead.
It wasn't as impressive as Shunko.
She acts playful, not really stupid. Isshin just acts really friggin goofy.
Yep.
Assumption. 313
It's settled then. Isshin's middle finger = Yoruichi's amped fists. vin
True, but nearly as impressive considering it was one finger. So imagine what he could do with one hand. Assuming it is Kido of course, which I doubt it is.
Everyone in Bleach short of Aizen and Tsukishima have acted goofy at some point. Yoruichi is no exception.
Nope.
Nope, fact. 131
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Good.Because the Shinigami didn't want the Quincy to show them up. Didn't work. Dangai Ichigo was not as cool as "F*ck you Spiritons, you all be my b!tches" Ishida.
You mean Ichigo didn't want Ishida to show him up, which he does constantly. 😛
Damn straight. Kubo doesn't realize that he has an uber matter manipulator in Ishida. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Thought he used Kyoka Suigetsu to do that.Because it seemed to be the real Aizen. 😮
Pretty sure he took out Komamura, Love & Rose without it.
Most of the fight happened off-panel.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
It's settled then. Isshin's middle finger = Yoruichi's amped fists. vin
True, but nearly as impressive considering it was one finger. So imagine what he could do with one hand. Assuming it is Kido of course, which I doubt it is.
Everyone in Bleach short of Aizen and Tsukishima have acted goofy at some point. Yoruichi is no exception.
Nope.
Nope, fact. 131
Nah, not equal.
I dunno what else it would be. Unless you're suggesting he flicked Aizen through those buildings. Which doesn't make sense.
Playful=/=Goofy. 😛
Yah.
Proofs?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
You mean Ichigo didn't want Ishida to show him up, which he does constantly. 😛
Damn straight. Kubo doesn't realize that he has an uber matter manipulator in Ishida. awesome
Nah man. Orihime and Rangiku both want Ichigo, not Ishida.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pretty sure he took out Komamura, Love & Rose without it.Most of the fight happened off-panel.
They suck. 🙂
Yep.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah, not equal.
I dunno what else it would be. Unless you're suggesting he flicked Aizen through those buildings. Which doesn't make sense.
Playful=/=Goofy. 😛
Yah.
Proofs?
Yeah, my bad. Isshin's Middle Finger > Yoruichi's Amped Fists.
Can't be Kido, seeing as there was no name or anything.
Uh yes it does. 😛
Nah.
Aizen has more reiatsu than the Espada combined. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah man. Orihime and Rangiku both want Ichigo, not Ishida.
They both want Ichigo to leave them alone. Meanwhile, Orihime lets Ishida grope her. Rangiku only wants Gin, so meh.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
They suck. 🙂Yep.
Not really.
Good, so you got no proof. 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I disagree. It was a publicity stunt. Kubo just made those stats to shut the hippies up. awesome
When did we get the "scaredo of Unohana" stuff? When did the databooks come out? That would reveal whether or not it was a publicity stunt or something Kubo legitimately planned.
IIRC, everyone was like, "OHHH! That's why Unohana was feared by the others! Look at her stats!"
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Cumbersome my ass.
You that fat, bro? uhuh
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Love's Shikai is cumbersome. Ichigo's is anything but.
I disagree. Ichigo's sword is stupid big even by Shikai standards.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
If it were a complete turn like Soi-Fon's, Ichigo would have a tiny-ass knife Bankai that produced small shields or shot out farts.
That's a fairly accurate assessment of the size different, actually. 😐 That's how much of a difference Ichigo's sword is from the constant released shikai mode.
Sure, it's not as large of a difference as Soi Fon's, but they pretty much havve the same type of release...just opposite.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Clearly not the case. Its effect is nothing but an upgrade of its Shikai effect,
No, that's not correct.
The effect is compressing all of the power into a smaller area to increase Ichigo's speed and power, greatly. His "shikai" effect is just "release tons of reiatsu, dewdz and not even care!" The Bankai is the opposite.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
and it only slightly shrinks in size.
No, it greatly decreases it size. Slightly would imply the sword is pretty much the same size...but noticeably smaller. Ichigo's new bankai is many many times smaller. Maybe 2-5 dozen times smaller in volume.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Odds that it upgrades his Shikai's effect and range are far, far, greater than the odds of it being something completely unrelated.
Incorrect, odds are that the bankai upgrade will, just barely, favor the same effect of Shunsui's shikai but with greater area.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Only Soi-Fon's Bankai has been a complete turnabout in terms of effect, while Ichigo's is the only one that has been a turnabout in terms of size. Compare that to the rest of the Bankais we've seen, which are all expansions in size and effect.
That's not correct, either. You're 0/5.
Let's go down the list:
They are all fairly unique.
Soi Fon's goes from a two hit kill finger blade to a large *ss missile launcher. This does not make your case.
Mayuri's goes from a three pronged shikai sword that uses a paralyzing toxin to a GIANT ass baby-worm thingie that spews out toxic gasses. Related, but not even close to similar. It also adds tons and tons of retractable blades to the front. This does not make your case because it is much different as well as being larger. In fact, I would say Mayuri's is the most varied from sealed, to shikai, to bankai.
Toshiro's shikai looks very similar to his sealed mode. His bankai mode adds ice wings, ice tail, and a video game like counter for how much powah he has left in that mode. Additionally, his bankai mode has his sword being pretty much the same exact sword...but with a crap ton of new techs to use. So, no, the sword barely changes. It just expands the number of techs he can use and adds unnecessary flight (because he does not need flight to....fly...shunpo and all). This does not make your case.
Tosen's Shikai has ...what...two modes? His sword, itself, stays the same. They are just "techs" he gets access to in his shikai mode. The multi-sword thingie and the loud screaming noise tech. But what does his bankai do? None of those. It turns into a giant dome of blackness and surrounds the person and removes their senses except for the sense of touch so he can slowly kill them. He keeps a sealed sword while inside his bankai mode, however. So Tosen is another example of a complete non sequitur bankai mode. This does not make your case.
Kensei's is different, too. His shikai form turns into a smaller knife that has two abilities: the wind blades (typical metal wire cutting tech) and the stabby blast thingie. Do we get even bigger wind blades and a blasting "final flash" type attach in bankai mode? NOPE! It's bladed "brass knuckles" with some body armor over his arms and across his back. He basically gets something similar to what Yoruichi got from Urahara to fight Aizen with. This one is another non sequitur upgrade. This does not make your case.
Ichigo's does the opposite from Shikai to bankai, as well. This does not make your case.
6 types that do not make your case.
Moving onto your case types...
Now we get to Sajin. He is the perfect example of the case you're trying to make. He goes from smaller parts of his big avatar to the full mode of his bankai avatar. This one is the best example of the point you're trying to make. But how many have I covered so far without making your point? Exactly.
Byakuya's is similar to Sajin's in that his bankai is just an expansion of his Shikai: more tiny blades.
Gin's bankai ability is just being able to more quickly extend and retract his blade over a longer distance. It is another case of bigger bankai that supports your case.
Renji. His sword turns into a much bigger version of his shikai. This one also makes your case.
Ikkaku's is also the same example of just being a larger version of his shikai.
5 Bankais that make your case.
We can move Mayuri's over to your side, if you want, which is why I said yours is just barely in favor of having a larger effect...but that would not be accurate because the differences in abilities from Mayuri's shikai to bankai are very different. It's not an expansion of the same effect...it's different effects, altogether. So it does not make your case.
However, we can still do it 5 to 6.
That's still not making your case that it is extremely likely that Shunsui's bankai is simply an expansion of the powers. It's almost as likely that it is not. Hell, Toshiro's reach on his powers in shikai is just as far as anything else he has (except his ultimate freeze everything mode..Toshiro just adds more techs, he doesn't expand, really).
Originally posted by dadudemon
When did we get the "scaredo of Unohana" stuff? When did the databooks come out?IIRC, everyone was like, "OHHH! That's why Unohana was feared by the others! Look at her stats!"
'Scared of Unohana' stuff is completely irrelevant to her actual combat-related strength, unless we know for certain that she can beat the shit out of him, which we don't.
They also failed to take into account her knack for scaring the shit out of people even when she's smiling.
I mean, if you want to say she is super-strong because she is one of the oldest captains, then I'd agree with ya. Basing it off outdated stats in a handbook, and a comment from Shunsui, is not going to convince me. estahuh
Originally posted by dadudemon
You that fat, bro? uhuh
Your wife said nothing of the sort when she came over, so I take it you are even fatter than me. sneer
(I apologize in advance if that was over the line)
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree. Ichigo's sword is stupid big even by Shikai standards.
Nah. Stupid big would be Love's shikai. Ichigo's is fairly big. Not cumbersome or unwieldy or slow.
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, that's not correct.The effect is compressing all of the power into a smaller area to increase Ichigo's speed and power, greatly. His "shikai" effect is just "release tons of reiatsu, dewdz and not even care!" The Bankai is the opposite.
No, that's not correct either.
His Bankai does both like I said. It compresses his power to increase his speed, and it upgrades his sword's ability to "release tons of reiatsu, dewdz and not even care!"
Originally posted by dadudemon
No, it greatly decreases it size. Slightly would imply the sword is pretty much the same size...but noticeably smaller. Ichigo's new bankai is many many times smaller. Maybe 2-5 dozen times smaller in volume.
Uh, okay? I said 'slightly' as I was taking into account just how remarkably different in size Bankais are from Shikais. Zangetsu's size change isn't as drastic.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Incorrect, odds are that the bankai upgrade will, just barely, favor the same effect of Shunsui's shikai but with greater area.
Incorrect. Odds are that the Bankai upgrade will favour the same effect of Shusui's shikai, but upgrade both the potency and range.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not correct, either. You're 0/5.Let's go down the list:
They are all fairly unique.
Funny, because you are 0/5 so far. estahuh
We shall see.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Soi Fon's goes from a two hit kill finger blade to a large *ss missile launcher. This does not make your case.
Agreed to this.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Mayuri's goes from a three pronged shikai sword that uses a paralyzing toxin to a GIANT ass baby-worm thingie that spews out toxic gasses. Related, but not even close to similar. It also adds tons and tons of retractable blades to the front. This does not make your case because it is much different as well as being larger. In fact, I would say Mayuri's is the most varied from sealed, to shikai, to bankai.
Expansion in size: Shikai is a hand-held instrument; Bankai is a huge construct. Check.
Expansion in effect: Shikai carries a paralyzing toxin that needs to be injected via a stab. Bankai carries a lethal toxin that can be inhaled, and has numerous blades. Check.
Mayuri's Zanpakuto makes my case.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Toshiro's shikai looks very similar to his sealed mode. His bankai mode adds ice wings, ice tail, and a video game like counter for how much powah he has left in that mode. Additionally, his bankai mode has his sword being pretty much the same exact sword...but with a crap ton of new techs to use. So, no, the sword barely changes. It just expands the number of techs he can use and adds unnecessary flight (because he does not need flight to....fly...shunpo and all). This does not make your case.
Expansion in Size: Shikai is a normal sword. Bankai creates an Ice-form around Hitsugaya that is larger than his sword. Not a huge-ass increase, but still a notable increase, like Zangetsu's decrease in size. Check.
Expansion in Effect: Shikai has one tech for his Ice, and his Tenso Jurin (main ability) has an unspecified range. Bankai increases the versatility & potency of his Ice by giving him more techniques, and the range of Tenso Jurin is magnified tremendously. Check.
Another Zanpakuto that makes my case.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Tosen's Shikai has ...what...two modes? His sword, itself, stays the same. They are just "techs" he gets access to in his shikai mode. The multi-sword thingie and the loud screaming noise tech. But what does his bankai do? None of those. It turns into a giant dome of blackness and surrounds the person and removes their senses except for the sense of touch so he can slowly kill them. He keeps a sealed sword while inside his bankai mode, however. So Tosen is another example of a complete non sequitur bankai mode. This does not make your case.
Will give you this one.
Probably could formulate an argument, but I'll throw you a bone for this one. 313
Originally posted by dadudemon
Kensei's is different, too. His shikai form turns into a smaller knife that has two abilities: the wind blades (typical metal wire cutting tech) and the stabby blast thingie. Do we get even bigger wind blades and a blasting "final flash" type attach in bankai mode? NOPE! It's bladed "brass knuckles" with some body armor over his arms and across his back. He basically gets something similar to what Yoruichi got from Urahara to fight Aizen with. This one is another non sequitur upgrade. This does not make your case.
Irrelevant. The effects of Kensei's Bankai are not shown in battle. His Bankai cannot be used at all for any case.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ichigo's does the opposite from Shikai to bankai, as well. This does not make your case.
No.
His Bankai does not make my case as far as size is concerned, which is why his Bankai is unique and extraordinary. In terms of effect, it makes my case.
Originally posted by dadudemon
6 types that do not make your case.Moving onto your case types...
No. 2 types that do not make my case, and 2 that do in fact make my case. 1 is a completely unique case and is the only unique case we'll ever likely see, given that Byakuya was surprised by its size. The last one is an unknown and is in the same boat as Shunsui's.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Now we get to Sajin. He is the perfect example of the case you're trying to make. He goes from smaller parts of his big avatar to the full mode of his bankai avatar. This one is the best example of the point you're trying to make. But how many have I covered so far without making your point? Exactly.
2 to be exact.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Byakuya's is similar to Sajin's in that his bankai is just an expansion of his Shikai: more tiny blades.
Yes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Gin's bankai ability is just being able to more quickly extend and retract his blade over a longer distance. It is another case of bigger bankai that supports your case.
Yes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Renji. His sword turns into a much bigger version of his shikai. This one also makes your case.
Yes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Ikkaku's is also the same example of just being a larger version of his shikai.5 Bankais that make your case.
Yes.
No, 7 Bankais that make my case. 2 that make yours.
Originally posted by dadudemon
We can move Mayuri's over to your side, if you want, which is why I said yours is just barely in favor of having a larger effect...but that would not be accurate because the differences in abilities from Mayuri's shikai to bankai are very different. It's not an expansion of the same effect...it's different effects, altogether. So it does not make your case.However, we can still do it 5 to 6.
Er, no. You are misunderstanding the word effect.
7 - 2 is the correct answer.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's still not making your case that it is extremely likely that Shunsui's bankai is simply an expansion of the powers. It's almost as likely that it is not. Hell, Toshiro's reach on his powers in shikai is just as far as anything else he has (except his ultimate freeze everything mode..Toshiro just adds more techs, he doesn't expand, really).
Incorrect. The ability and range of his Zanpakuto increases.
In addition, techniques count as part of the expansion. You can see the same shit happening with Byakuya, as he is able to use those millions of blades in a variety of forms for different techniques in Bankai mode, something he cannot do in Shikai.
~ Anyway, I think imma drop out of this thread. It's dead anyway. Gave my list (inherently and exponentially superior to any other list in this thread, including yours awesome), argued a little with Aura & then you, and now I shall move on.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
'Scared of Unohana' stuff is completely irrelevant to her actual combat-related strength, unless we know for certain that she can beat the shit out of him, which we don't.
No it's not: he's scared of her because she can kick his ass. 🙂
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
They also failed to take into account her knack for scaring the shit out of people even when she's smiling.
Because she's a b*tch, bro. And they know about her crazy powah.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I mean, if you want to say she is super-strong because she is one of the oldest captains, then I'd agree with ya. Basing it off outdated stats in a handbook,Hey, it's not me that says she's super strong: it's the mother****in' author, himself. She's the second most powerful captain because Aizen ain't around anymore. 😄
Additionally, shinigami do not gain power like Ichigo, does. They gain power very very slowly. I still do not think Renji's power is all that much greater: he was able to fight on Par with Ichigo in the rescue arc and Ichigo was more strong enough to withstand blows (no homo) from a 50 foot tall giant and his giant ass ax (was it an ax?)
[QUOTE=13714961]Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
[B]and a comment from Shunsui, is not going to convince me.
Well, it should...because you love Shunsui.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Your wife said nothing of the sort when she came...
You should have just typed that. uhuh
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
...so I take it you are even fatter than me.
It's possible, but I can see my abs a bit in the mirror. Still..I've got some fat that needs to go.
(I'm winning because I took this seriously)
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
(I apologize in advance if that was over the line)
You can't possibly go over the line with jokes. NEVAH! (At least, with me...I'd be careful about others because they get mad about the silliest of things).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah. Stupid big would be Love's shikai. Ichigo's is fairly big. Not cumbersome or unwieldy or slow.
Love's Shikai is actually a bankai. 😐
Seriously, though, Love's shikai is just as strong as most bankai's. His shikai is not stupid big, either: it's "okay, wtf is this shit" big. It falls into the category of Tsuande swinging Gamabunta's bamboo katana.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No, that's not correct either.
It is correct. No what? 🙂
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
His Bankai does both like I said. It compresses his power to increase his speed, and it upgrades his sword's ability to "release tons of reiatsu, dewdz and not even care!"
Okay, so you mean what I said with some more stuff added? Because you said, "Its effect is nothing but an upgrade of its Shikai effect" which is not correct, in the slightest.
And his sword is not releasing tons of reiatsu: Ichigo is using the sword as a channeler of his own rieryoku. Basically, Ichigo pumps up his sword (no homo...or is it yes homo this time?) with his own rieryoku and basically fires it from his sword. I will agree that it increases the power of the effect of the getsuga tensho, for sure.
But it is not what you said which I responded to:
"Its effect is nothing but an upgrade of its Shikai effect"
Which we both know is not true. Since this last time, you're basically saying what I'm saying, you've conceded and that means I win. And isn't that the most important thing, here? crazy
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Uh, okay? I said 'slightly' as I was taking into account just how remarkably different in size Bankais are from Shikais. Zangetsu's size change isn't as drastic.
Okay, so we meet in the middle: your use of slightly is not correct but we can say that Ichigo's bankai is not much different in size compared to other's bankais, right?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Incorrect. Odds are that the Bankai upgrade will favour the same effect of Shusui's shikai, but upgrade both the potency and range.
Actually, odds are in favor of neither side. It's fairly 50 - 50.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Funny, because you are 5/5 so far.We shall see.
Corrected your typo. 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Agreed to this.
That's, mo-fo (because you're banging my wife and she's a mom).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Expansion in size: Shikai is a hand-held instrument; Bankai is a huge construct. Check.
Uncheck: you're arguing one of the zanpakuto's specific effects increasing in effect area, not the actual bankai itself. In Mayuri's case, he gets different special effects when going to bankai, thus not proving your point.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Expansion in effect: Shikai carries a paralyzing toxin that needs to be injected via a stab. Bankai carries a lethal toxin that can be inhaled, and has numerous blades. Check.Mayuri's Zanpakuto makes my case.
Uncheck: you're making my case, not yours. That's a different effect. It didn't expand the area of the paralyzing toxin. If your theory on Shunsui and bankais is correct, then Mayuri's bankai should just increase the area of affect for the paralyzing toxin. That's not what happens because it gets an entirely new effect and delivery system (gas instead of sword strikes).
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Expansion in Size: Shikai is a normal sword. Bankai creates an Ice-form around Hitsugaya that is larger than his sword. Not a huge-ass increase, but still a notable increase, like Zangetsu's decrease in size. Check.
Uncheck: the sword itself stays the same size. The ice is not his bankai as he can create ice at any stage (from what I know). Additionally, the "range" of his ice attacks is the same whether in shikai or bankai because he has that ice dragon attack that looks like shenlong. lol
Additionally, if you want to include the ice wings as actually being the zanpakuto, that still does not make your case: it is not an expansion of the effect, like you're trying to make a case for, it is an expansion of the sword itself into a physically larger construct. We'll come back to this point.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Expansion in Effect: Shikai has one tech for his Ice, and his Tenso Jurin (main ability) has an unspecified range. Bankai increases the versatility & potency of his Ice by giving him more techniques, and the range of Tenso Jurin is magnified tremendously. Check.Another Zanpakuto that makes my case.
I agree and concede this point. His zanpakuto's effect over ice increases in area. This makes part of your case. I could argue that different effects are going on here because Hyoten Hyakkaso is not Tenso Jurin...meaning, it makes my case because the "greater" effects are just different techs altogether.
But that would be dishonest of me and here's why: they are just all techs involving his manipulation of Ice. He created them or whatever. It would be the same with Yamamoto: I'd assume that his ability to create fire constructs and techs would increase in area of effect and in diversity. However, we can't be sure. But that's what it seems like with elemental zanpakuto: it just increases the power of their elemental control proving your point about effect.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Will give you this one.Probably could formulate an argument, but I'll throw you a bone for this one. 313
You sonuva. 😠
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Irrelevant. The effects of Kensei's Bankai are not shown in battle. His Bankai cannot be used at all for any case.
Yes they were. Or am I missing something? His bankai got smaller. His bankai amps his power and gives him armor. Completely non-sequitur techs, too, from his bankai mode. It does not prove your point about "increasing the effects of the shikai tech" like you're trying to make with Shunsui.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No.
His Bankai does not make my case as far as size is concerned, which is why his Bankai is unique and extraordinary. In terms of effect, it makes my case.
In terms of effect, it does not. They have different effects from shikai to bankai. Different effects, entirely, to be exact (Getsuga Tensho is excluded).
If you wanted to argue that Shunsui got different techs when he goes bankai, I would agree with you and the numbers would be in your favor.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No. 2 types that do not make my case, and 2 that do in fact make my case. 1 is a completely unique case and is the only unique case we'll ever likely see, given that Byakuya was surprised by its size. The last one is an unknown and is in the same boat as Shunsui's.
No, 5 types, because I conceded one, that do not make your case.
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Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
2 to be exact.
No, 7. And you'll see why, in a bit. Just had an epiphany.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No, 7 Bankais that make my case. 2 that make yours.
No, 6 that make your case and 5 that make mine.
But I can argue everything from a different angle and pwn.
Watch this:
Only 4 make your case and 7 make mine. That's it: just 4.
Why? Cause Renji gets different techs when he goes bankai: blaster canon thingie and the ability to bring the segments back together right there on the spot, and Zabimaru also is no longer a bladed weapon (meaning, it changes effect, altogether, in almost all functions). That's not an increase in the effect, that's just a change of effects, altogether.
Ikkaku's shikai is a sansetsukon and naginata hybrid. When he goes bankai, it is no longer a naginata (meaning, it changes its "effect"😉. Hell, even one of the segments becomes a kwan dao which is entirely different from a sansetsukon. Also, the main portion of effect is his bankai gets its attack power filled up : not an effect in shikai mode. So this one does not make your case, either. Just simply getting bigger is not your point: it's the special techs increasing in area of effect.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Er, no. You are misunderstanding the word effect.
7 - 2 is the correct answer.
I don't think so: you're stating the shunsui's special attack trick thingie, from his shikai, will expand in it's area of effect so he could not use it against Starrk because it would hurt his team mates.
So you must prove that. I'm simply showing you evidence for why your conclusion is not logically sound. You only have 4 bankais that you can use to make your case. 7 do not make your case.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Incorrect. The ability and range of his Zanpakuto increases.
If you want to move the bar/argument to something about simply increasing the attack area, then all but Ichigo's and Kensei''s bankais greatly increase their attack area. But that's not the case you're making.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
In addition, techniques count as part of the expansion. You can see the same shit happening with Byakuya, as he is able to use those millions of blades in a variety of forms for different techniques in Bankai mode, something he cannot do in Shikai.
So you're making my case, now? 🙂
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
~ Anyway, I think imma drop out of this thread. It's dead anyway. Gave my list (inherently and exponentially superior to any other list in this thread, including yours awesome), argued a little with Aura & then you, and now I shall move on.
You're dropping out because you just realized the same thing I did: only 4 actually make your case. estahuh