Balder vs Wolverine

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OP said at their peak. Just saying....

All characters are current versions operating at the best of their abilities by default. Unless specified the character is the most recent incarnation, the OP specifying "peak" only reiterates the "best of their abilities"part of the forums rules, it doesn't arbitrarily roll back characters back to their strongest... or Wolverine would be Dark Pheonix or CoUV amped.

Originally posted by Newjak
Balder had the reaction to see a bullet fired, and then used his sword to redirect the bullet back at the person who shot it at him.

That's not NO feats imo 😕

I didn't say he had no feats, I said he had no feats to suggest he could hang with Wolverine. A single bullet time feat doesn't even remotely start to swing that pendulum in the other direction.

Balder is almost fast as Typhoid Mary. Awesome... I remember how well she did against Wolverine. 😱

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Balder has more strength, more speed, more stamina, more durability and plenty of skill.

This is a guy with at least 10x the strength of Wolverine, has bullet-timed with ease, even when fat fought non-stop for hours through thousands of fire demons, has run around training without sleeping or resting for an entire month, survived getting blitzed by Sentry, fought evenly with Ares, and has stalemated magically induced perfect swordsmanship. This is all on-panel.

Seriously, Balder stomps on boneclaw Wolverine something fierce. And it's arguable that he wouldn't have any qualms about simply decapitating him.

I changed my mind! With such and impressive resume how can he lose!!!! Sentry flew into him and he locked swords with the Mighty Ares for one panel!!! ZOMG HE IS F@CKING SUPER SAIYAN SUPERMAN SSJ4 PRIME ONE MILLION!!!!

/sarcasm

Serious, which one of these examples is supposed to paint the picture that Balder has a shot in hell of beating any incarnation of Wolverine?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
All characters are current versions operating at the best of their abilities by default. Unless specified the character is the most recent incarnation, the OP specifying "peak" only reiterates the "best of their abilities"part of the forums rules, it doesn't arbitrarily roll back characters back to their strongest... or Wolverine would be Dark Pheonix or CoUV amped.

I didn't say he had no feats, I said he had no feats to suggest he could hang with Wolverine. A single bullet time feat doesn't even remotely start to swing that pendulum in the other direction.

Balder is almost fast as Typhoid Mary. Awesome... I remember how well she did against Wolverine. 😱

I changed my mind! With such and impressive resume how can he lose!!!! Sentry flew into him and he locked swords with the Mighty Ares for one panel!!! ZOMG HE IS F@CKING SUPER SAIYAN SUPERMAN SSJ4 PRIME ONE MILLION!!!!

/sarcasm

Serious, which one of these examples is supposed to paint the picture that Balder has a shot in hell of beating any incarnation of Wolverine?

Does she also have Asgardian strength?

And a sword that will be able to keep up with Wolverine's claws?

And where do you get almost as fast if they did the exact same feat???

Also I don't know how well she did against Wolverine.

But the point is that Balder isn't slow, or lumbering. He is very quick and fast. If you think he can't hit wolverine you sir are underestimating Balder.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I changed my mind! With such and impressive resume how can he lose!!!! Sentry flew into him and he locked swords with the Mighty Ares for one panel!!! ZOMG HE IS F@CKING SUPER SAIYAN SUPERMAN SSJ4 PRIME ONE MILLION!!!!

/sarcasm

Serious, which one of these examples is supposed to paint the picture that Balder has a shot in hell of beating any incarnation of Wolverine?

Your intransigience isn't being helped by your buffoonish satire either.

Originally posted by Newjak
Haha and does typhoid mary have the ability to produce blinding burning light?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
She is a pyrokinetic actually. She probably could.

But still I bet Balder's would pack more power.

^ If you didn't know that, you probably didn't know she's also a telekinetic. I remember speculation being cast on her bullet-timing feat because of that actually.

She's a mutant and she was among those not depowered by Wanda.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ If you didn't know that, you probably didn't know she's also a telekinetic. I remember speculation being cast on her bullet-timing feat because of that actually.

She's a mutant and she was among those not depowered by Wanda.

All I saw of her was briefly during Dark Reign as that numbered unknown mutant and that one scan with the sword-bullet feat.

Wolverine still has the superior skills and agility feats. in Melee battle i dont see Balder winning. he could blind wolverine, possible but Logan has battled blind b4 and has impressive blind fighting feats.

Balder's strength only does so much especially when he is using slashing and stabbing attacks, it seems almost irrelevant.

Originally posted by Newjak
Haha and does typhoid mary have the ability to produce blinding burning light?

Does she also have Asgardian strength?

And a sword that will be able to keep up with Wolverine's claws?

And where do you get almost as fast if they did the exact same feat???

Also I don't know how well she did against Wolverine.

But the point is that Balder isn't slow, or lumbering. He is very quick and fast. If you think he can't hit wolverine you sir are underestimating Balder.

She is a decently powerful pyrokenetic and her flames have better and more numerous feats than Balder's light show...

Mary accomplished her fight inside melee range while dodging bullets and redirect the bullet into the shooter's mouth. Balder simple altered the trajectory. Mary's is a much better feat.

Balder get's turn up by Wolverine like he is a random Asgardian fighting the Dark Avenger's in Siege. His speed, skill and durability aren't up to par and class 50 strength doesn't go far enough to balance the scales. He is HOPELESSLY outclassed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because Balder is superior to Wolverine is just about every category of physicality you mentioned. And Balder is also insanely skilled. Deflecting onto Typhoid Mary's superior speed feats over Wolverine's doesn't change that both she and Balder have superior speed feats over Wolverine. Balder isn't going to be speeding around Wolverine like Quicksilver but it's beyond doubt that he won't be overwhelmed (or even particularly tasked) by Wolverine's agility.

Your intransigience isn't being helped by your buffoonish satire either. She is a pyrokinetic actually. She probably could.

What is this rebuttal supposed to be addressing? Balder is superior in every category of physicality I mentioned? Well... for starters... I didn't mention any. Who and what are you even responding to? Secondly: Balder is superior to Wolverine in one category. Strength. That's it. In a fight Wolverine folds up Balder like a lawn chair before soccer practice.

Wolverine has noticeably better speed feats than Typhoid Mary... and unlike Balder, Mary actually has more than one speed feat of her own.

^ You mentioned speed, skill and durability. Look at my initial post and my quoting of your initial post. And pretending that Balder doesn't out-stat Wolverine and doesn't arguably rival him in skill is plain ignorance.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
Wolverine still has the superior skills and agility feats. in Melee battle i dont see Balder winning. he could blind wolverine, possible but Logan has battled blind b4 and has impressive blind fighting feats.

Balder's strength only does so much especially when he is using slashing and stabbing attacks, it seems almost irrelevant.

Wasn't irrelevant when Ares planted his fist into Wolverine's face, among others.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You mentioned speed, skill and durability. Look at my initial post and my quoting of your initial post. And pretending that Balder doesn't out-stat Wolverine and doesn't arguably rival him in skill is plain ignorance.

Quote the post you are responding to next time, because your reply had nothing to do with what you quoted.

Balder out stats Wolverine in strength. That's it. There isn't two sides to this discussion. Wolverine has better speed and skill feats than Balder in quality and quantity... and not just by a small amount.... by like a lot.

^ ... I am not tortuously retracing our conversation that is, like, 3 posts each. For phucks' sake, look at my initial post and your post that I am quoting.

I am not wasting my time dealing with your plain ignorance of Balder's on-panel feats. They're clearly there and you won't accept them much less competently compare them. There's no constructive debate to be had here. I'm not going to waste my time deconstructing your hypocritical attitude towards anything that threatens Wolverine.

Don't see how Balder has superior speed feats to Wolverine...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... I am not tortuously retracing our conversation that is, like, 3 posts each. For phucks' sake, look at my initial post and your post that I am quoting.

I am not wasting my time dealing with your plain ignorance of Balder's on-panel feats. They're clearly there and you won't accept them much less competently compare them. There's no constructive debate to be had here. I'm not going to waste my time deconstructing your hypocritical attitude towards anything that threatens Wolverine.

Dude you had to manually edit out the part of the quote you were responding to, it would take you less effort to not do that and then I would know for certain what you are addressing... or is not manually removing text from a post to arduous a task?

I know what Balder has done, which is why I am confident when I say that his feats don't measure up to Wolverine's. There is no hypocrisy or equivocation, Balder not possessing skill or speed feats on par with Wolverine is an objective fact. Simple. Do you want to have a scan by scan feat war? I've already posted the only Balder speed feat that exists so it wont be that difficult for you.

^ ... what the heck are you talking about? LOOK AT MY FIRST POST. LOOK AT WHAT I QUOTED. Stop acting like I have to spoonfeed you something you can look at yourself. This isn't a 20+ page discussion with 310+ posts between us. Stick your foot in your own mouth on your own time. Don't drag me along with you.

There's ignorance on your part. Plain ignorance. Sorry you have trouble accepting that Balder's bullet-timing feat is greater than any Wolverine's performed. Wolverine having a whole bunch of inferior ones doesn't change that. And you know better.

I also know better that I won't ever get you to admit that. Plain simple logical conclusion that it is.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Don't see how Balder has superior speed feats to Wolverine...

Wolverine's never done that.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... what the heck are you talking about? LOOK AT MY FIRST POST. LOOK AT WHAT I QUOTED. Stop acting like I have to spoonfeed you something you can look at yourself. This isn't a 20+ page discussion with 310+ posts between us. Stick your foot in your own mouth on your own time. Don't drag me along with you.

There's ignorance on your part. Plain ignorance. Sorry you have trouble accepting that Balder's bullet-timing feat is greater than any Wolverine's performed. Wolverine having a whole bunch of inferior ones doesn't change that. And you know better.

I also know better that I won't ever get you to admit that. Plain simple logical conclusion that it is. Hood fired a bullet at Balder. Balder saw it coming after it was fired, positioned his sword to intercept it and, rather than just deflect it, he spun his body completely around and sent it right back at Hood without it ever stopping in one single motion with the flat of his blade. Again, all after the bullet was fired. So no aim-blocking/dodging was involved.

Wolverine's never done that.

I'm looking right at it dude. You edited out the part of the quote you were addressing because it was in response to another poster. If you are going to reply to that section anyway... then don't remove it from the quote. It's not difficult.

Wolverine has dodged the Living Lightening, point blank artillery fire, dodged / blocked countless lasers and energy based projectiles, and moved to intercept a shooter after the trigger was pulled and still blocked the barrel of the gun before the bullet could leave. And that is just the easily quantifiable stuff. Wolverine has SIGNIFICANTLY better speed feats.

^ What the phuck are you talking about? LOOK AT MY FIRST POST ON THE FIRST PAGE. LOOK AT WHAT I QUOTED. You never mentioned physicality? Phucking christ.

All which can easily be explained by aim-blocking and aim-dodging. Which can not be applied to Balder's bullet-timing speed feat in any way. And the last one you mentioned is horse-sh1t. We've discussed that one before. This conversation is over.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You mentioned speed, skill and durability. Look at my initial post and my quoting of your initial post. And pretending that Balder doesn't out-stat Wolverine and doesn't arguably rival him in skill is plain ignorance. Wolverine is arguably more skilled. I haven't seen him stalemate magically induced perfect swordsmanship. He doesn't have greater agility feats.

Wasn't irrelevant when Ares planted his fist into Wolverine's face, among others.

What agility feats does Balder have in his limited appearance?

Ares is far above Balder in Strength, the results would not necessarily be the same especially if u add up all the moments when Logan has shrugged off blows from guys in Balder strength level and even those far above him.

one punch is not going to be enough to knock out Logan without some heavy PIS.

what swordmanship feats does Balder have, u are making statements but, it doesnt seem o be backed by anything. simply asserting it doesnt make it so.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What the phuck are you talking about? LOOK AT MY FIRST POST ON THE FIRST PAGE. LOOK AT WHAT I QUOTED. You never mentioned physicality? Phucking christ.

All which can easily be explained by aim-blocking and aim-dodging. Which can not be applied to Balder's bullet-timing speed feat in any way. And the last one you mentioned is horse-sh1t. We've discussed that one before. This conversation is over.

What the phuck are you talking about? You quoted me. The quote was a question I was asking you. Your response had nothing to do with the post you quoted. If you just wanted to address my initial response a second time... then you should have quoted that post again. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that you don't actually read posts and just reword your initial response over and over again, ignoring any points that have been brought up.

Some of the laser feats may be aim dodging but not all of them. The tank shell feat wasn't aim dodging, and the last isn't "horse shit." You can attempt to disregard it you like, but it's a valid feat. Like I said that is just the easily quantifiable stuff, there is a whole list of feats like Wolverine cutting a large section of a wall than maneuvering himself to catch Nightcrawler before he can fall into a pit of fire. Dozens and dozens of speed feats significantly more impressive that redirecting a 9mm hand gun bullet.

You say this conversation is over but it never even started. You've just decided - once again - to dismiss all Wolverine's feats off hand unless they conform with your narrow and bias view of the character that requires he lose to anyone above Turk. Maybe stop being a troll and make an attempt at an objective assessment for once? And if you aren't capable of separating your personal bias of a character then maybe don't post in those threads? Just a thought.

Balder in Asgard is consider wicked fast, out of Asgard fast enough too give Wolverine hell, Balder is a God for crying out loud!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Balder in Asgard is consider wicked fast, out of Asgard fast enough too give Wolverine hell, Balder is a God for crying out loud!

especially when the guy being argued against has killed gods..