Balder vs Wolverine

Originally posted by the Darkone
Balder in Asgard is consider wicked fast, out of Asgard fast enough too give Wolverine hell, Balder is a God for crying out loud!

Which would mean something if the term "god" wasn't merely an arbitrarily designation with no merit. Even Sabretooth is the "god" of a group of indigenous South American hunters. If Balder is faster than Wolverine he needs to prove it, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because thousands of years ago some primitive humans worshiped him.

Balder's feat instantly looks more impressive than anything I can remember Wolverine pulling off, but maybe I'm remembering wrong?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Which would mean something if the term "god" wasn't merely an arbitrarily designation with no merit. Even Sabretooth is the "god" of a group of indigenous South American hunters. If Balder is faster than Wolverine he needs to prove it, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt because thousands of years ago some primitive humans worshiped him.

Originally posted by Nietzschean
iirc their have bn narration by the gods themselves that mutants are the new gods risen from humanity.. em i right?

There have been several stories where mutants / superheroes are cited by the "gods" as being the new mythology that has replaced them, and things of that sort. The fact that even so call gods refer to their history has mythology and not theology is telling in and of itself.

Originally posted by Existere
Balder's feat instantly looks more impressive than anything I can remember Wolverine pulling off, but maybe I'm remembering wrong?

It's flashier, that's about. In terms of quantifiable speed required to accomplish the feat in question, Wolverine has topped it numerous times.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
What the phuck are you talking about? You quoted me. The quote was a question I was asking you. Your response had nothing to do with the post you quoted. If you just wanted to address my initial response a second time... then you should have quoted that post again. Thanks for confirming my suspicions that you don't actually read posts and just reword your initial response over and over again, ignoring any points that have been brought up.

You spouted this drivel, "[Balder's] durability won't turn wolverine's claws, Adamantium or otherwise. Balder lacks the speed or skill to engage Wolverine in martial combat and hold his own . . . Balder has NO feats that support the notion that he has a shot in hell against Wolverine."

I rebutted that statement of yours by listing Balder's superior stats, "Balder has more strength, more speed, more stamina, more durability and plenty of skill." and listed examples of feats supporting that.

You then asked me, "which one of these examples is supposed to paint the picture that Balder has a shot in hell of beating any incarnation of Wolverine?"

I replied, "Because Balder is superior to Wolverine is just about every category of physicality you mentioned. And Balder is also insanely skilled."

You then replied, "What is this rebuttal supposed to be addressing? Balder is superior in every category of physicality I mentioned? Well... for starters... I didn't mention any."

Yes, you did mention Balder's physicality. It's the very topic I opened up our discussion on. And for the entire last page you're acting like you never mentioned Balder's physicality (to the point where you're accusing me of surreptitious editing)? You cannot possibly be so god damn stupid. I don't think you're this god damn stupid. I really don't. My only conclusion is: you're trolling. You're trolling the hell out of me.

Don't do it anymore, otherwise you're reported.

Originally posted by Existere
Balder's feat instantly looks more impressive than anything I can remember Wolverine pulling off, but maybe I'm remembering wrong?

Wolverine's best bullet-timing feats don't match it. And Wolverine's plethora of other speed/agility feats that are being regurgitated are more than assailable on aim-blocking or aim-dodging terms (making them inferior).

This is all that matters.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Enough with the trolling. My very first post in response to a statement you made about Balder's physicality was focused on... wait for it: Balder's physicality. Look at my very first post in this thread. It's on page 1.

You spouted this drivel, "[Balder's] durability won't turn wolverine's claws, Adamantium or otherwise. Balder lacks the speed or skill to engage Wolverine in martial combat and hold his own . . . Balder has NO feats that support the notion that he has a shot in hell against Wolverine."

I rebutted that statement of yours by listing Balder's superior stats, "Balder has more strength, more speed, more stamina, more durability and plenty of skill." and listed examples of feats supporting that.

You then asked me, "which one of these examples is supposed to paint the picture that Balder has a shot in hell of beating any incarnation of Wolverine?"

I replied, "Because Balder is superior to Wolverine is just about every category of physicality you mentioned. And Balder is also insanely skilled."

You then replied, "What is this rebuttal supposed to be addressing? Balder is superior in every category of physicality I mentioned? Well... for starters... I didn't mention any."

Yes, you did mention Balder's physicality. It's the very topic I opened up our discussion on. And for the entire last page you're acting like you never mentioned Balder's physicality (to the point where you're accusing me of surreptitious editing)? You cannot possibly be so god damn stupid. I don't think you're this god damn stupid. I really don't. My only conclusion is: you're trolling. You're trolling the hell out of me.

Don't do it anymore, otherwise you're reported.

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What ever dude. If you are going to bother quoting someone, then quote the part you are planning on addressing. It's neither difficult nor time consuming.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, you're not remembering wrong. Balder's feat is quantifiable. There is no possibility that aim-blocking or aim-dodging can be inserted to explain it.

Wolverine's best bullet-timing feats don't match it. And Wolverine's plethora of other speed/agility feats that are being regurgitated are more than assailable on aim-blocking or aim-dodging terms (making them inferior).

This is all that matters.

Please Wolverine's best speed feats shit all over that. A hand gun bullet only has a muzzle velocity of between 500 and 1000 mph... it isn't like it was fired from a riffle.

Logan should win.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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What ever dude. If you are going to bother quoting someone, then quote the part you are planning on addressing. It's neither difficult nor time consuming.

I didn't bite. I immediately told you I wasn't going to indulge your request to retrace a conversation that hadn't even spanned 5 posts. For you to go on and spend nearly the entire last page pretending like we were talking about something else, demanding that I show you where you did talk about it, then accusing me of sly editing because I wasn't indulging your baited attempts is trolling. From you? From someone who I don't think is a complete moron with goldfish-like memory? It's trolling.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Please Wolverine's best speed feats shit all over that. A hand gun bullet only has a muzzle velocity of between 500 and 1000 mph... it isn't like it was fired from a riffle.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Reported. We were discussing Balder's physical stats the entire time from the very beginning. For you to turn around in your response to just my second post on that issue and pretend we weren't talking about it wasn't accidental. You're not absent-minded enough. I can only guess you wanted to deflect from where the conversation was heading and derail it with "I-never-said-that-yes-u-did-no-I-didn't-yes-u-did" nonsense.

I didn't bite. I immediately told you I wasn't going to indulge your request to retrace a conversation that hadn't even spanned 5 posts. For you to go on and spend nearly the entire last page pretending like we were talking about something else, demanding that I show you where you did talk about it, then accusing me of sly editing because I wasn't indulging your baited attempts is trolling. From you? From someone who I don't think is a complete moron with goldfish-like memory? It's trolling.

You are accusing me of "going on and on," while you write long winded circumlocutory posts, bitching and moaning while you get more and more aggressive? My last post amounted to "Okay whatever," and if it were anyone else but you that would have been the end of it... but you have some pathological need to get the last word in. Let it go man. You quoted me and didn't respond to anything in the quote, I told you its good practice to include the section you are responding to in the quote... and then you lost your shit. I've moved on, stop acting like a child please. Let it go.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Just an Asgardian Norn-stone empowered handgun. Wolverine has never calmly spun a bullet along his claw in one deft motion to send it right back at his opponent AFTER it's been fired.

That must have made the bullets faster!!!! Probably FTL!!!!! 😱

Ignoring the fact that Wolverine's claws are much shorter and thinner than the flat of a sword, and the physics shatter logistics of the feat... why would Wolverine even want or attempt to do that in the first place?

What exactly is Wolverine's best speed feet?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You are accusing me of "going on and on," while you write long winded circumlocutory posts, bitching and moaning while you get more and more aggressive?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You mentioned speed, skill and durability. Look at my initial post and my quoting of your initial post.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... I am not tortuously retracing our conversation that is, like, 3 posts each. For phucks' sake, look at my initial post and your post that I am quoting.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... what the heck are you talking about? LOOK AT MY FIRST POST. LOOK AT WHAT I QUOTED. Stop acting like I have to spoonfeed you something you can look at yourself. This isn't a 20+ page discussion with 310+ posts between us. Stick your foot in your own mouth on your own time. Don't drag me along with you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What the phuck are you talking about? LOOK AT MY FIRST POST ON THE FIRST PAGE. LOOK AT WHAT I QUOTED. You never mentioned physicality? Phucking christ.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My last post amounted to "Okay whatever," and if it were anyone else but you that would have been the end of it... but you have some pathological need to get the last word in.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Let it go man. You quoted me and didn't respond to anything in the quote, I told you its good practice to include the section you are responding to in the quote... and then you lost your shit. I've moved on, stop acting like a child please. Let it go.

Seriously, take your foot out of your mouth.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Balder no longer has the mistletoe toe protection and his durability won't turn wolverine's claws, Adamantium or otherwise. Balder lacks the speed or skill to engage Wolverine in martial combat and hold his own, and his energy blasts aren't any where near powerful enough to give Logan pause... Unless Wolverine was retconed into a frost troll recently without my knowledge.

Balder has NO feats that support the notion that he has a shot in hell against Wolverine, and anyone who can ignore that fact and still give him the win merely because he happens to be Asgardian has no credibility.

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