1. One Piece
2. Bleach
3. Naruto
I liked all of them really but something about the Naruto one feels shallow. It basically establishes that this time period sucks and shows what was influencing Hashirama to create the village system. It's taking too much time to do it though.
Bleach was more meandering but for a legitimate reason and it works with the character of Ichigo. A bit of a lame reveal since we kinda already knew that(through assumption) but I guess Ichigo didn't.
One Piece was fine. Standard One Piece is still on average pretty good lol. One Piece is at its best when in the transitional phases like this.
Originally posted by Nephthys
1. Naruto. Oh look, Nephthys' opinions are right and everyone else is wrong. What a surprise! Chapter was good you fools.
2. One Piece. Lol Buggy....
3. Bleach. Too much Ichigo.
I don't think the chapter was bad. Just needed more.
But I do wonder why you put it above One Piece. Not criticizing you, just wondering why. mmm
I really dug the whole situation with the child soldiers and whole 'war is hell' angle. I mean, ****, that kid was 7 goddamn years old. You have to be pretty jaded to go 'meh' at that. I liked the dynamic between Hashirama and his dad and that bit at the end with Madara was great. I just felt that it was a powerful, moving chapter and that the world as we saw was nicely built up as needing someone like Hashirama.
Just an excellent world-building chapter imo. And for the guys who deem it as unimportant or eye-rolling then I'm sorry but have you been paying attention? A huge part of the plot hinges on the past and Hashirama and Madara are important not only to the current plot, but to the lore of Naruto in general.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I really dug the whole situation with the child soldiers and whole 'war is hell' angle. I mean, ****, that kid was 7 goddamn years old. You have to be pretty jaded to go 'meh' at that. I liked the dynamic between Hashirama and his dad and that bit at the end with Madara was great. I just felt that it was a powerful, moving chapter and that the world as we saw was nicely built up as needing someone like Hashirama.Just an excellent world-building chapter imo. And for the guys who deem it as unimportant or eye-rolling then I'm sorry but have you been paying attention?
Were you not paying attention? We already know that the wars are a ph_cked up place and that kids are sent to die, we've seen enough of that in other flashbacks. I didn't think it was particularly well done, I'm not going to jump and say chapters are amazing anytime Kishi turns on the pathos and tells stuff we already knew in such a decompressed way.
The world building chapter could've been done in three panels and a couple of dialogues, I'm not particularly fond to cinematic flashbacks that take forever -my fault for reading Naruto I guess-.
Originally posted by Nephthys
A huge part of the plot hinges on the past and Hashirama and Madara are important not only to the current plot, but to the lore of Naruto in general.
Harishama and Madara being important to the plot... Well, for starters that's sort of a recent developpement, we've been reading about Tobi and the current generation for about all the manga and now we're being force-choked with these two for our trouble. At this point I don't think we'll learn anything about either of them that actually matters or develops the plot as we know it, so I beg to differ with their assumed importance in the current plot.
If this was a flashback of things we didn't know, with developments that will actually affect the future plot and with characters that are really important in the story we've been reading for years I'd be all for it. Simply put, this isn't any of those things.
Originally posted by Bentley
Were you not paying attention? We already know that the wars are a ph_cked up place and that kids are sent to die, we've seen enough of that in other flashbacks. I didn't think it was particularly well done, I'm not going to jump and say chapters are amazing anytime Kishi turns on the pathos and tells stuff we already knew in such a decompressed way.The world building chapter could've been done in three panels and a couple of dialogues, I'm not particularly fond to cinematic flashbacks that take forever -my fault for reading Naruto I guess-.
I'm not going to say it's absolutely brilliant or anything but, y'know, "Show, don't tell."
It's a different thing to be told it totally sucked before the villages, and another to see it in action.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm not going to say it's absolutely brilliant or anything but, y'know, "Show, don't tell."It's a different thing to be told it totally sucked before the villages, and another to see it in action.
To be fair with the flashback, the historical part was the best of it, what got old pretty fast for me was the idea of showing it off with a character driven plot about two friends that met as kids and then fell apart.
I just cannot phantom why Kishi feels he needs to repeat that friendship system everytime and walks us painfully step by step through it.
Originally posted by Bentley
There is a difference between villains being made and not born and "look, Madara was a kid too!", the kid angle has become quite a bit tiresome already. Also the best backgrounds Kishi has made are those that stray from the beaten path.
But it's not just 'Madara was a kid too,' but the type of kid he was, what his ideals were, and the kinds of things he saw when he was young.
His situation is a lot different than Obito, who didn't have much hardship until the war, or Nagato, who had a ton of hardship, or Naruto/Sasuke, who's challenges were more about social alienation than your siblings getting killed.