Originally posted by SundippedI think thor was clearly expecting something going by the scan, perhaps not the blast, but some kind of offensive response. If he wasn't he'd have it in a casual pose as normal. Not in a defensive posture, two hands on the handle between him and the stranger.
Even though Mjolnir was raised, I don't think Thor anticipated the blast.Nonetheless the impact knocked him out & the concussive force propelled him to orbit. Shows that a casual blast from a being of his caliber can easily override standard high herald durability.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
👆Anyone that thinks Thor has a prayer here is delusional...
Yes, the Stranger has jobbed mightily in times past, but the way he has been written in more recent writtings make it crystal clear that the Stranger is far beyond characters like Thor...
At best Thor can show some heart and put up some resistance, but that will be the extent of it...
Thor cant win a single fight here sans Jobbing/PIS...
LoM but you have to admit, the Stranger has had some absolutely humiliating showings aside from the IG affair and the current Astonishing Thor appearance. Aside from those two "high" showings, his other on panel appearances are lackluster (and I'm being generous).
Originally posted by zopzop
LoM but you have to admit, the Stranger has had some absolutely humiliating showings aside from the IG affair and the current Astonishing Thor appearance. Aside from those two "high" showings, his other on panel appearances are lackluster (and I'm being generous).
Marvel has arguably done this with several characters. Here are a few examples.
Silver Surfer vs The Hulk
The Hulk not being able to mount an effective offense against the Surfer, yet Drax, Hercules, and Thor can draw even has always been strange to say the least.
Zeus vs Thor
Zeus should have always been above anything that Thor could mount, and even though Zeus may have taken it easy on Thor, no scrimmage match between the two should have ever lasted for months.
Quasar vs A Watcher
I know that I shouldn't have to explain this PIS to anyone.
If Lord Mar-Vell ever reappears, and a herald leveler draws even with him, I will not be surprised in the least. Hmfff even Korvak died while battling The Silver Surfer in Avengers Annual 16. Nothing would surprise, and the only big boy that remained with a perfect record was Tyrant. I wrote all of that, because I could see Thor at his best give the Stranger a hell of a fight, and would not be surprised in the least if he won.
It seems that Marvel may be solidifying the Stranger's station, and the most recent showing obviously was meant to place him within the High Trans - Low Sky Father tier.
Originally posted by Uriel005
I think thor was clearly expecting something going by the scan, perhaps not the blast, but some kind of offensive response. If he wasn't he'd have it in a casual pose as normal. Not in a defensive posture, two hands on the handle between him and the stranger.
Now after looking at it again you're right. The casual dialogue kinda threw me off.
Originally posted by zopzop
LoM but you have to admit, the Stranger has had some absolutely humiliating showings aside from the IG affair and the current Astonishing Thor appearance. Aside from those two "high" showings, his other on panel appearances are lackluster (and I'm being generous).
I definitely agree; his low showings are really bad and not at all fitting for one who has the status of a cosmic being...
But that said, I agree with Stoic that it does appear that Marvel is finally portraying the Stranger as someone is clearly above a High Herald like Thor...
And since we go by the most recent showing/portrayal (unless a classic version or some other version is specified), the Stranger beats Thor...
I'd even go so far to say that the Stranger beats King Thor (this is in response to you Nihilist), the reason being that the Full Odin Force (which was possessed by Odin himself at the time) was landlocked in Asgard during the IG saga...thus Odin and all the other Skyfathers were unable to join in the attack against Thanos with the IG.
The Stranger and the other true cosmics/high-end beings were not subject to being stopped as easily as the Skyfathers were...
So here again, using the more recent showings/portrayals, the power of the Stranger is beyond that of a Skyfather...
Thus the Stranger should be beyond King Thor...
I dont know about Rune King Thor though...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I definitely agree; his low showings are really bad and not at all fitting for one who has the status of a cosmic being...But that said, I agree with Stoic that it does appear that Marvel is finally portraying the Stranger as someone is clearly above a High Herald like Thor...
And since we go by the most recent showing/portrayal (unless a classic version or some other version is specified), the Stranger beats Thor...
I'd even go so far to say that the Stranger beats King Thor (this is in response to you Nihilist), the reason being that the Full Odin Force (which was possessed by Odin himself at the time) was landlocked in Asgard during the IG saga...thus Odin and all the other Skyfathers were unable to join in the attack against Thanos with the IG.
The Stranger and the other true cosmics/high-end beings were not subject to being stopped as easily as the Skyfathers were...
So here again, using the more recent showings/portrayals, the power of the Stranger is beyond that of a Skyfather...
Thus the Stranger should be beyond King Thor...
I dont know about Rune King Thor though...
You really think so? I don't know man. I mean as far as Sky Father goes.
Originally posted by Stoic
You really think so? I don't know man. I mean as far as Sky Father goes.
Well it is a fact that Odin and the other Skyfathers planned on attacking Thanos, but once Thanos's destruction wave (borne of Thanos's anger with the IG) wrecked havok on the universe, they became helpless and unable to do anything but wait in Asgard...
The Stranger was not subject to being stopped by that...
In that arc, Skyfathers were portrayed as being beneath "the Astral Deities of the Universe" and the Stranger was considered one of those deities...
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well it is a fact that Odin and the other Skyfathers planned on attacking Thanos, but once Thanos's destruction wave (borne of Thanos's anger with the IG) wrecked havok on the universe, they became helpless and unable to do anything but wait in Asgard...The Stranger was not subject to being stopped by that...
In that arc, Skyfathers were portrayed as being beneath "the Astral Deities of the Universe" and the Stranger was considered one of those deities...
To be fair to the skyfathers, they seem to have gotten a bump in overall significance in recent times.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so is stranger gonna just stand there and take it?
I don't f*cking know. I wasn't the one who brought up the God Blast, I was commenting on his likely reaction to it based on the durability showings -and the lack thereof- that I've seen.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Im pretty sure i remeber the stranger defeated a rogue watcher or something of that sort, and then there is the fact that he was amongst the Cosmic beings during the IG saga and has always been portrayed as such.
If you could send an issue number my way, it'd be appreciated.
I really hope you have more solid evidence than that. The Stranger appearing alongside the Cosmics during the Infinity Gauntlet saga is no more conclusive than Zeus doing the same during the End.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Heck even against Thor in astonishing Thor, he was portrayed as being quite CLEARLY superior (he casually one shotted him and didnt even look like he was trying).....and virtually always is when he faces beings of Thors level. Thats just off the top of my head without doing any thorough feat searching but just from that this should be a stomp.
Not really. Did the writer consider the Stranger above the standard Thor power wise? Possibly, most likely, but him momentarily knocking Thor out with a cheap shot isn't conclusive evidence of him being above the Odinson. Characters have done just as well or better to established superiors over the years, the Stranger doesn't get more benefit of the doubt just because his pompous. It certainly isn't grounds for giving him the win in a thread where Thor is going all out.
By all means, do more research, I'm willing to change my vote if enough evidence is presented.
For the record, the Stranger notes to himself that Thor can very well take him down -despite his arrogance- but this isn't conclusive evidence for my side either:
http://i39.tinypic.com/vg5qnr.jpg
Rodi noted that Thor can seriously rock Cosmics with his high end attacks in that mini. Wouldn't be surprised if even he wrote an all out Thor beating the Stranger despite him writing a watered down incarnation: with this, the Tutinax fight and the Eternal crap, the only low showings of current Thor that I seem to be encountering on the board are his.
^The watcher thing happened in a Quasar issue, i lost my archive of Quasar comics, but ill look for it.
Furthermore, trying to play the feat wars game between a marginal cosmic character like stranger and a premiere character like Thor is quite ridiculous given the strangers lack of appearacnes. Thor probably has better feats, than the abstracts love and hate and many other abstracts....Im not going to beginning claiming they are below high heralds on that basis. Yes feats are good but comic reading should also involve some measure of intution and common sense.
Appearing alongside cosmic beings (with the direct implicaton of being a cosmic being) while not a feat in an of itself is an implication of status which iin this scenario is a reasonable implication of powerlevel as in IG Saga, a clear divergence between Cosmic level powers and earthly level powers was drawn. Moreover the stranger did launch an energy form attack in conjunction with Galactus and Eon, on Thanos. The issue isnt the equality of the cosmic level powers and hence Zeus appearing alongside other cosmic beings takes nothing away from the point, but rather the definite distinction between cosmic level beings and earth level heroes which was clearly made during the IG saga.
When these status implications are taken into consideration, the strangers manner of tone towards Thor while pompous is clearly grounded in an acknowledgement of the status and consequent power differential by the writer. The fact that he casually oneshotted him miles away with Thor having no idea what was going only re-enforces what should be an already obvious divide. Thor having "better feats" in this scenario given the circumstances should be utterly inconsequential
Writers dont write characters taking into account their battleboard applicable feats. Hence we are tootally unjustified in the completely discarding other tools in the proper contextual interpretation of on panel occurences. Reducing the stranger to top tier level due to the absence of a multitude feats, when he is clearly not intended to be portrayed as anything even close to that is just criminal. This should go without saying....
Originally posted by Naija boy
^The watcher thing happened in a Quasar issue, i lost my archive of Quasar comics, but ill look for it.Furthermore, trying to play the feat wars game between a marginal cosmic character like stranger and a premiere character like Thor is quite ridiculous given the strangers lack of appearacnes. Thor probably has better feats, than the abstracts love and hate and many other abstracts....Im not going to beginning claiming they are below high heralds on that basis. Yes feats are good but comic reading should also involve some measure of intution and common sense.
Appearing alongside cosmic beings (with the direct implicaton of being a cosmic being) while not a feat in an of itself is an implication of status which iin this scenario is a reasonable implication of powerlevel as in IG Saga, a clear divergence between Cosmic level powers and earthly level powers was drawn. Moreover the stranger did launch an energy form attack in conjunction with Galactus and Eon, on Thanos. The issue isnt the equality of the cosmic level powers and hence Zeus appearing alongside other cosmic beings takes nothing away from the point, but rather the definite distinction between cosmic level beings and earth level heroes which was clearly made during the IG saga.
When these status implications are taken into consideration, the strangers manner of tone towards Thor while pompous is clearly grounded in an acknowledgement of the status and consequent power differential by the writer. The fact that he casually oneshotted him miles away with Thor having no idea what was going only re-enforces what should be an already obvious divide. Thor having "better feats" in this scenario given the circumstances should be utterly inconsequential
Writers dont write characters taking into account their battleboard applicable feats. Hence we are tootally unjustified in the completely discarding other tools in the proper contextual interpretation of on panel occurences. Reducing the stranger to top tier level due to the absence of a multitude feats, when he is clearly not intended to be portrayed as anything even close to that is just criminal. This should go without saying....
Great points, and they would likely never be challenged if the Stranger did not perform as anything but a Herald crusher every time that he has faced off against one. This however is not the case. I have trouble believing that the Stranger would completely humble the teams of Heralds that Tyrant did, simply because he has been incapable of doing or showing this type of power in past showings. Do you believe that Tyrant would have fits with the team of X Men that gave the Stranger fits? What of the Juggernaut debacle? These poor showings, or average showings can't be dismissed because of titles, and supposed to be's. You see what I'm saying?
