Naruto vs Sasuke

Originally posted by ichigo12
You know that frog kata is like another martial art? It is just new movements and new justus and so far any justu of frog kata will trespass Susano'o but maybe a Big Ball Rasengan and a RasenShuriken hitted on Susano'os backbone which I think it is its weak point.

frog kata is more than just a martial art. it comes with enhanced senses, speed, and power. Not too mention extensions of nature energy that increase attack range. Naruto was able to beat the third Raikage with it, why not Sasuke? plus, I think the third's lightning shroud>susan'o in terms of defense.

Originally posted by socool8520
^ Doubt it. Naruto does have a defense for genjutsu thanks to Jiraiya. plus with the help of ma and pa toad, he could be bailed out if Naruto is getting full use of his skills. they could simply not look at Sasuke and avoid being put under a genjutsu themselves.

That technique he tried against false Itachi and failed with?

I'm much more inclined to think that if he breaks a genjutsu it'll be thanks to ma and pa toad. Not what Jiriya tried to teach him.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That technique he tried against false Itachi and failed with?

I'm much more inclined to think that if he breaks a genjutsu it'll be thanks to ma and pa toad. Not what Jiriya tried to teach him.

He did resist being put to sleep by Itachi though, so it's not completely out of the question. Also, he has formed some relationship with kurama that would suggest that he coudl also break Naruto out of a genjutsu killer bee style. And then yeah, the toads. Plus, he's a sensory type in sage mode so he may be able to sense attacks without looking directly into Sasuke's eyes. He more than has the speed to react.

Originally posted by socool8520
He did resist being put to sleep by Itachi though, so it's not completely out of the question. Also, he has formed some relationship with kurama that would suggest that he coudl also break Naruto out of a genjutsu killer bee style. And then yeah, the toads. Plus, he's a sensory type in sage mode so he may be able to sense attacks without looking directly into Sasuke's eyes. He more than has the speed to react.

Only because Itachi and Sakura shook him up from the genjutsu iirc. Otherwise he was nearing his limit.

Kurama still hated Naruto back then though. And Sasuke showed to be able to suppress him when need be.

Maybe. But he hasn't shown it yet that I know of.

The only reason I can see Naruto dealing with the genjutstu is becaue of the toads. Sasuke needs to take care of them first.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Only because Itachi and Sakura shook him up from the genjutsu iirc. Otherwise he was nearing his limit.

Kurama still hated Naruto back then though. And Sasuke showed to be able to suppress him when need be.

Maybe. But he hasn't shown it yet that I know of.

The only reason I can see Naruto dealing with the genjutstu is becaue of the toads. Sasuke needs to take care of them first.

During sage mode? Sasuke hasn't even seen Naruto in sage mode. He could only supress the nine tails when Naruto first met up with him after the time skip. Plus, taking care of the toads will not be easy with their skill set as well as worrying about Sasuke. pain was able to pull it off to some degree but he is way more powerful than Sasuke was at that point.

Originally posted by socool8520
During sage mode? Sasuke hasn't even seen Naruto in sage mode. He could only supress the nine tails when Naruto first met up with him after the time skip. Plus, taking care of the toads will not be easy with their skill set as well as worrying about Sasuke. pain was able to pull it off to some degree but he is way more powerful than Sasuke was at that point.

I don't see what difference it would make. Was there anything shown that would imply Sage Mode would give the sharingan a tough time surpressing ninetails?

One good look with Amaterasu while protected by susanoo should take care of ma and pa.

Originally posted by Damborgson

One good look with Amaterasu while protected by susanoo should take care of ma and pa.

While they are on naruto's shoulder. highly doubt it. If Itachi was barely able to clip Sasuke with amaterasu the a slower Sasuke shouldn't even be able to catch Naruto. Naruto is faster than sasuke in sage mode. he was faster than the third raikage who was on par with A as stated by naruto.

Originally posted by socool8520
While they are on naruto's shoulder. highly doubt it. If Itachi was barely able to clip Sasuke with amaterasu the a slower Sasuke shouldn't even be able to catch Naruto. Naruto is faster than sasuke in sage mode. he was faster than the third raikage who was on par with A as stated by naruto.

Itachi was not trying to kill sasuke. And he made it look as if he was using Amaterasu to avoid hitting his eyes to he could take them later. I don't see it as being hard for the frogs get hit. Even if they are on Naruto's shoulder.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Itachi was not trying to kill sasuke. And he made it look as if he was using Amaterasu to avoid hitting his eyes to he could take them later. I don't see it as being hard for the frogs get hit. Even if they are on Naruto's shoulder.

It wouldn't matter if he hit Sasuke fully or not. He can recall Amaterasu after enough damage is done to sasuke. And it clearly showed sasuke outrunning it. The other frogs, sure, no prob I guess. ma and Pa, not so much. Naruto is faster than Sasuke. Anything Sasuke can pull off speed wise, naruto can top it. Sorry, but I don't see Amaterasu hitting Naruto, and in association, the frogs. It's not like he is gonna want to spam black flames anyways. He'll have to spam Susan'o just to stay alive. he does not want to play a chakra reserves contest with Naruto. No one does.

Originally posted by socool8520
It wouldn't matter if he hit Sasuke fully or not. He can recall Amaterasu after enough damage is done to sasuke. And it clearly showed sasuke outrunning it. The other frogs, sure, no prob I guess. ma and Pa, not so much. Naruto is faster than Sasuke. Anything Sasuke can pull off speed wise, naruto can top it. Sorry, but I don't see Amaterasu hitting Naruto, and in association, the frogs. It's not like he is gonna want to spam black flames anyways. He'll have to spam Susan'o just to stay alive. he does not want to play a chakra reserves contest with Naruto. No one does.

.....what if he hit sasuke in the face? He needed to pretend he wanted his eyes. He's not just going to incinerate him.

Because Itachi chose for it to happen. Never did he try to outright kill sasuke.

Why exactly would he be unable to hit them? Amaterasu pops up almost directly on to it's target. Sage Mode Naruto while fast, wasn't faster than his imperfect Kyubi armor version. It's just not hard to see Sasuke starting the attack, Naruto wondering whats going on, and then amaterasu just hit pa. Or ma. Either or. Then spreads to Naruto.

Sasuke isn't the brightest lad. He's pretty reckless with flames. Sometimes to his benefit. He could cause Susanoo to catch flame also.

Originally posted by Damborgson
.....what if he hit sasuke in the face? He needed to pretend he wanted his eyes. He's not just going to incinerate him.

Because Itachi chose for it to happen. Never did he try to outright kill sasuke.

Why exactly would he be unable to hit them? Amaterasu pops up almost directly on to it's target. Sage Mode Naruto while fast, wasn't faster than his imperfect Kyubi armor version. It's just not hard to see Sasuke starting the attack, Naruto wondering whats going on, and then amaterasu just hit pa. Or ma. Either or. Then spreads to Naruto.

Sasuke isn't the brightest lad. He's pretty reckless with flames. Sometimes to his benefit. He could cause Susanoo to catch flame also.

This reminds me of a Dumb and Dumber line. lol I'm sure Itachi's skill skill would ensure that didn't happen. It was just the speed of Sasuke that allowed his escape. Which is slower than Sage mode Naruto.

Your key word is almost. Almost is not good enough for someone of Naruto's speed. Even if he is slower than his imperfect Kyuubi mode. He was still faster than the third in sage mode, which in turn, is faster than Sasuke. Besides, it's not like Naruto is unfamiliar with amaterasu. He has seen a superior Uchiha use it on occasion. Susan'o Amaterasu matters little. Naruto doesn't have to touch susan'o to spam it with big ball rasengans. Susan'o isn't going to handle attacks that were able to injure Kurama.

Originally posted by socool8520
This reminds me of a Dumb and Dumber line. lol I'm sure Itachi's skill skill would ensure that didn't happen. It was just the speed of Sasuke that allowed his escape. Which is slower than Sage mode Naruto.

Your key word is almost. Almost is not good enough for someone of Naruto's speed. Even if he is slower than his imperfect Kyuubi mode. He was still faster than the third in sage mode, which in turn, is faster than Sasuke. Besides, it's not like Naruto is unfamiliar with amaterasu. He has seen a superior Uchiha use it on occasion. Susan'o Amaterasu matters little. Naruto doesn't have to touch susan'o to spam it with big ball rasengans. Susan'o isn't going to handle attacks that were able to injure Kurama.

oh yeah ".....what if he had shot him in the face...?'' "yeah what if he had shot me in the face?" 😂

With Sasuke moving like he was it's no guarantee. And Itachi wouldn't have wanted to take the chance of actually killing him. Which he would have had he wanted to.

Sasuke's no slouch in speed though. He has teleportation jutsu iirc.

How was he faster than third raikage? iirc he was only faste than him in imperfect Kyubii mode. And barely at that.

....you mean when he saw it in the toads stomach lol? Seeing black flames doesn't give him a familiarity with the jutsu. Same goes for the black flames that were burning after Sasuke and Itachi went at it. It's like trying to say Sasuke is familiar with wind rasengan because he saw the crater.

Unless there is someone else?

That is true. If Naruto does a taju kage bunshin then spams rasengan Susanoo most likely wont hold up. Sasuke will need to light his face on fire before that happens. 😄

Originally posted by Damborgson
oh yeah ".....what if he had shot him in the face...?'' "yeah what if he had shot me in the face?" 😂

"It was a chance we were willing to take." lol

How was he faster than third raikage? iirc he was only faste than him in imperfect Kyubii mode. And barely at that.

....you mean when he saw it in the toads stomach lol? Seeing black flames doesn't give him a familiarity with the jutsu. Same goes for the black flames that were burning after Sasuke and Itachi went at it. It's like trying to say Sasuke is familiar with wind rasengan because he saw the crater.

He has seen Itachi use it Nagato. Directly.

That is true. If Naruto does a taju kage bunshin then spams rasengan Susanoo most likely wont hold up. Sasuke will need to light his face on fire before that happens. 😄

Yeah, he would have to be fast enough to do so, and then fast enough to get all the clones as well.

Originally posted by socool8520
"It was a chance we were willing to take." lol

Naruto was able to dodge the third's lightning punch and the hit him in the arm with a rasengan immediately after to cause the third to injure himself. I'd say that's on par.

He has seen Itachi use it Nagato. Directly.

Yeah, he would have to be fast enough to do so, and then fast enough to get all the clones as well.

Ah you're right. Yes, I had forgotten about that.

You are correct about that as well. I've been bad at keeping up with the manga it looks like. 😮

that said Sasuke has more options: If indeed Naruto manages to dodge the amaterasu, which he will constantly have to be doing as Sasuke is reckless with it, the flames that spread will set up Kirin for sasuke. When he drops that, it really will be the end.

Sasuke might collapse or be in bad shape but he should be able to end it. Either from the initial, stand off by catching Naruto's eye, and following with a quick amaterasu, keeping naruto off balance with arrows from his susanoo and placing Amaterasu on him while he's in the air, or holding out enough for Kirin to be ready.

My vote stays with Sasuke.

Originally posted by Damborgson
that said Sasuke has more options: If indeed Naruto manages to dodge the amaterasu, which he will constantly have to be doing as Sasuke is reckless with it, the flames that spread will set up Kirin for sasuke. When he drops that, it really will be the end.

Again, My vote is on Naruto's Stamina>Sasuke's chakra reserves. especially since he has to keep Susan'o up at all times or this battle is over.

Sasuke might collapse or be in bad shape but he should be able to end it. Either from the initial, stand off by catching Naruto's eye, and following with a quick amaterasu, keeping naruto off balance with arrows from his susanoo and placing Amaterasu on him while he's in the air, or holding out enough for Kirin to be ready.

Who says it will be naruto's eye he catches? He has clones that he can have move around first. sasuke can't look around in all directions at once. Also, if he does catch one of the clones with the flames, won't they go out once they consume it? then he has to use amaterasu again. Again I go with Naruto's chakra reserves/stamina>Sasuke's. Plus if he just puts Amaterasu all around him, he won't be able to see anything, and then catches wind rasenshurikens to the face. I don't think Sasuke's susan'o is tanking those multiple times. Itachi's probably, since he is Itachi. But not Sasuke.

My vote stays with Sasuke.

To each his own. lol

Naruto

Originally posted by socool8520
Again, My vote is on Naruto's Stamina>Sasuke's chakra reserves. especially since he has to keep Susan'o up at all times or this battle is over.

Who says it will be naruto's eye he catches? He has clones that he can have move around first. sasuke can't look around in all directions at once. Also, if he does catch one of the clones with the flames, won't they go out once they consume it? then he has to use amaterasu again. Again I go with Naruto's chakra reserves/stamina>Sasuke's. Plus if he just puts Amaterasu all around him, he won't be able to see anything, and then catches wind rasenshurikens to the face. I don't think Sasuke's susan'o is tanking those multiple times. Itachi's probably, since he is Itachi. But not Sasuke.

To each his own. lol

Naruto's sage mode doesn't last long either tbh. A few heavy attacks and he was out against pain. If he has reserves in place then his amount of shadow clones becomes very limited.

From the initial head to head meeting? Does Naruto get to enter the fight a clone? Sasuke would need to catch him in the beginning of the fight.

I'm not talking about Clones. The landscape would light on fire and give power to charge his Kirin.

If the Sharingan can't see for some reason then Naruto can't see either. Sasuke would see Naruto just fine.

And to be fair to Sasuke, he isn't slow. His sharingan lets him keep up with A pretty well.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Naruto's sage mode doesn't last long either tbh. A few heavy attacks and he was out against pain. If he has reserves in place then his amount of shadow clones becomes very limited.

From the initial head to head meeting? Does Naruto get to enter the fight a clone? Sasuke would need to catch him in the beginning of the fight.

I'm not talking about Clones. The landscape would light on fire and give power to charge his Kirin.

If the Sharingan can't see for some reason then Naruto can't see either. Sasuke would see Naruto just fine.

And to be fair to Sasuke, he isn't slow. His sharingan lets him keep up with A pretty well.

naruto has gotten way more efficient with Sage mode. he didn't say he couldn't spam clones, he just didn't want to use more than necessary.
he doesn't have clones out the gate, but sasuke doesn't to get automatically have Amaterasu ready to go either. plus, when has Sasuke ever surrounded the whole entire area? He would die from exhaustion even attempting it.
Also, that Kirin technique was with the help of Itachi's Amaterasu, which actually did ignite the area. Also, he needed the chakra from the seal to even hang long enough to do Kirin. he doesn't have that now.

Originally posted by socool8520
naruto has gotten way more efficient with Sage mode. he didn't say he couldn't spam clones, he just didn't want to use more than necessary.
he doesn't have clones out the gate, but sasuke doesn't to get automatically have Amaterasu ready to go either. plus, when has Sasuke ever surrounded the whole entire area? He would die from exhaustion even attempting it.
Also, that Kirin technique was with the help of Itachi's Amaterasu, which actually did ignite the area. Also, he needed the chakra from the seal to even hang long enough to do Kirin. he doesn't have that now.

he said if he used to many clones that the ones gathering senjutusu would get confused. So he couldnt use many against Pain.

Not amaterasu, but eye contact genjutsu is hardly unbelievable that he'd do.

He doesn't have to. Only he can extinguish Amaterasu and it will just contiune to spread.

Yes and now Sasuke has amaterasu. No reason he can't do it. Amaterasu would keep spreading until it had the same effect. It wouldn't take long.

Sasuke needed it to hang against Itachi yes, but not to do Kirin. Kirin costs no Chakra. Sasuke was out by the time he used it as said by Itachi.

Originally posted by Damborgson
he said if he used to many clones that the ones gathering senjutusu would get confused. So he couldnt use many against Pain.

Yes but even with 5 at a time, it will be hard for him to handle.

He doesn't have to. Only he can extinguish Amaterasu and it will just contiune to spread.

Amaterasu does not spread like wildfire. the Sasuke/Itachi fight lasted awhile and stuck mostly to the trees as I recall. A's arm was burning forever before he chopped it off. It may burn everything, but it seems to take longer than normal fire. Plus, Sasuke has never been seen to spam it like Itachi could.

Yes and now Sasuke has amaterasu. No reason he can't do it. Amaterasu would keep spreading until it had the same effect. It wouldn't take long.

Sasuke needed it to hang against Itachi yes, but not to do Kirin. Kirin costs no Chakra. Sasuke was out by the time he used it as said by Itachi.

You're right it doesn't. But he had to have Itachi's spamming of Amaterasu plus a few huge fireballs to even start the tech. Sasuke would be out of chakra before he could do that himself. He blew a couple fireballs, did a little taijutsu and a few chidoris and he was done. not to mention he has to do all of this while fending off Naruto's attacks.