Citizen Steele vs Superman fist fight

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Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by carver9
Move him? What do you mean by that? Does he have Blob powers? What's so special about "moving" him?
Typically, his is portrayed as 'immovable', with Superman+ strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really, its called low showings.
It is a low showing, but it is also PIS of the highest order.

Fact: Gog>KC Superman>mainstream Superman>Power Girl. If Gog wasn't able to budge CS in the slightest, Power Girl moving him at all is... PIS.

-Pr- Hey Yo!
Originally posted by carver9
Move him? What do you mean by that? Does he have Blob powers? What's so special about "moving" him?

You ask that question and you made the thread?

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Typically, his is portrayed as 'immovable', with Superman+ strength.

It is a low showing, but it is also PIS of the highest order.

Fact: Gog>KC Superman>mainstream Superman>Power Girl. If Gog wasn't able to budge CS in the slightest, Power Girl moving him at all is... PIS.


If we go by that route, mainstream superman was handling gog much better than KC superman and just because power girl moved him doesn't mean Kal-L knocking him away PIS. Nate has some very good showings but to declare that a superman class character moving him is PIS is a bit reaching, considering who Kal-L is.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by -Pr-
You ask that question and you made the thread?

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You're surprised?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
If we go by that route, mainstream superman was handling gog much better than KC superman
Mainstream Superman never battled JSA Gog, did he. 😕

Originally posted by abhilegend
and just because power girl moved him doesn't mean Kal-L knocking him away PIS.
I didn't comment on the Kal-L thing--he was a BL, after all. Power Girl nonsensically moving him is all I was referring to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nate has some very good showings but to declare that a superman class character moving him is PIS is a bit reaching, considering who Kal-L is.
When a Superman++-level character was unable to move him at all, a Superman-level character (namely Power Girl) moving him several feet back is PIS. The punch didn't harm CS, mind you... It was just ridiculous on the writer's part.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Mainstream Superman never battled JSA Gog. 😕

Yes, he did. The gog from "wrath of gog" was retconned in JSA as the herald gog and he always had the power of Gog as per the retcon.

I didn't comment on the Kal-L thing--he was a BL, after all. Power Girl nonsensically moving him is all I was referring to.

Ok but having power ring didn't increase his strength IIRC.

When a Superman++-level character was unable to move him at all, a Superman-level character (namely Power Girl) moving him several feet back is PIS. The punch didn't harm CS, mind you... It was just ridiculous on the writer's part.

Ah, I can see your POV regarding this topic, but characters vary with writers. It depends on how you view it. I don't consider it PIS./srug

Sirius77 Senior Member

Has anyone actually ever even done damage to CS? As I recall, even Prime failed to do anything but knock him back when he attempted to stab him with psuedo-aquaman's sword (it broke on CS's face) in SC.

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, he did. The gog from "wrath of gog" was retconned in JSA as the herald gog and he always had the power of Gog as per the retcon.
Yes, correct. But mainstream Superman, much like KC Supes, had help in his battle with Gog--yet he was still stomped on a ridiculous level (he needed to be defibrillated to be brought back to life, iirc.) At least KC Supes was clinically ALIVE after his scuffle with Gog.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok but having power ring didn't increase his strength IIRC.
Seems like I remember BL Alex Luthor momentarily matching SBP/tanking his blows. Doesn't matter either way, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah, I can see your POV regarding this topic, but characters vary with writers. It depends on how you view it. I don't consider it PIS./srug
I do. Let's say Gog=10, and Power Girl=5. CS tanked 10 without so much as moving, but was knocked across a field by 5.

Even though PG's punch didn't harm him, it still qualifies as PIS. There's no other way to explain it, imo.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Has anyone actually ever even done damage to CS? As I recall, even Prime failed to do anything but knock him back when he attempted to stab him with psuedo-aquaman's sword (it broke on CS's face) in SC.
Not to my knowledge.

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by Sirius77
Has anyone actually ever even done damage to CS? As I recall, even Prime failed to do anything but knock him back when he attempted to stab him with psuedo-aquaman's sword (it broke on CS's face) in SC.

I don't recall this, what issue was it in?

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

^ Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman Prime:

Cogito Senior Member

Well, when SBP did that Steel had his armor on. He had to take it off to take on Gog. I suppose whether or not he's wearing it could make a difference in this vs.

-K-M- ...........

it does as without the armor on he is stronger, it restricts his strength to be more manageable

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Yeah, his armor is like 280,000lbs psi because his strength is so great and uncontrollable he can't take a step without destroying the ground without it. Or hitting a person and killing them.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, correct. But mainstream Superman, much like KC Supes, had help in his battle with Gog--yet he was still stomped on a ridiculous level (he needed to be defibrillated to be brought back to life, iirc.) At least KC Supes was clinically ALIVE after his scuffle with Gog.

Yes, after gog injected him with a heavy dose of yellow kryptonite which started to destruct his cellular structure. Even when he was having a heart-attack and got light-headed reaching mach speed, he was taking multiple gogs at once. When the future gog cured him, kal reset gog's face with a single punch.

Seems like I remember BL Alex Luthor momentarily matching SBP/tanking his blows. Doesn't matter either way, though.

Adventure comics 4 & 5, I had to re-read to make sure.

I do. Let's say Gog=10, and Power Girl=5. CS tanked 10 without so much as moving, but was knocked across a field by 5.

Good thing is that writers rarely writes taking battle boards in mind.

Even though PG's punch didn't harm him, it still qualifies as PIS. There's no other way to explain it, imo.

You are judging every showing of nate by that single showing. Its quite good but lets not get carried away.

Not to my knowledge.

Yeah, I never saw him getting hurt.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Tales of the Sinestro Corps: Superman Prime:

Hawkman survived a mace to the face by prime. He is teh uberzz!!131

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by Cogito
Well, when SBP did that Steel had his armor on. He had to take it off to take on Gog. I suppose whether or not he's wearing it could make a difference in this vs.
He is far stronger w/o the armor. As was mentioned above, CS has to exert a force of 280,000psi any time he makes a movement--no matter how small.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When the future gog cured him, kal reset gog's face with a single punch.
😂 Lord please tell me you aren't saying Superman>Gog.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are judging every showing of nate by that single showing. Its quite good but lets not get carried away.
No, I'm judging him by all of his showings. If you use that line of logic, you'll find that PG should not be able to move him.

Cogito Senior Member
Originally posted by -K-M-
it does as without the armor on he is stronger, it restricts his strength to be more manageable

I said it could make a difference because, if trading blows, he'd definitely win without it and would only probably would win with it.

quanchi112 Disney

I disagree with galan's stance you can't just dismiss certain showings and disregard them because if you do so everything falls down a slippery slope.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

He's not dismissing his showings, though? AFAIK, Galan is accepting that PG budging CS happened. But it's definitely PIS at worse if you compare it to his history of feats (which easily contradict it) and a very low showing at best.

As far as this thread goes, not sure how Superman wins this.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Galan007
He is far stronger w/o the armor. As was mentioned above, CS has to exert a force of 280,000psi any time he makes a movement--no matter how small.

😂 Lord please tell me you aren't saying Superman>Gog.

What, he beat gog fair and square. Are you forgetting this is superman we are talking about?

No, I'm judging him by all of his showings. If you use that line of logic, you'll find that PG should not be able to move him.

That's why I called it a low-showing.