Kenshiro Gauntlet

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Clearly.

If you live on an alien world where reasoning isn't the same as ours, sure.

I don't get why there is this constant spamming of scans.

You dug this up days after it was finished, and didn't address any of my posts. Then proceeded to spam a bunch of extra large scans yourself.

You bleeding hypocrite.

There is stuff to tell for every one of them the way they are interpreted in this very thread.

Which I already rebuked, and now I provided even more context that clarifies that Daniel Rand was actually dead when he was turned into a ghost.

None of your astral projection nonsense. Which didn't hold any water to begin with because astral projection was never mentioned. Only ghosts, the afterlife, and resurrection. Heck, in the same story-line Daniel Rand's mother is brought back to life before dying again.

Originally posted by Sharivan
If you live on an alien world where reasoning isn't the same as ours, sure.

You dug this up days after it was finished, and didn't address any of my posts. Then proceeded to spam a bunch of extra large scans yourself.

You bleeding hypocrite.

Which I already rebuked, and now I provided even more context that clarifies that Daniel Rand was actually dead when he was turned into a ghost.

None of your astral projection nonsense. Which didn't hold any water to begin with because astral projection was never mentioned. Only ghosts, the afterlife, and resurrection. Heck, in the same story-line Daniel Rand's mother is brought back to life before dying again.

You talking about the Claremont story in Deadly Hands?

Yeah, Danny was dead. Anyone who read the story knows him being killed was kind of an important plot element, to chase after a hell lord that can switch freely between the living and dead worlds..

The plan backfired when the warrior mage hell lord simply fled from the afterlife to the living world, making him untouchable to spirits. And Danny was desperate enough to channel the Iron Fist and try to bridge back into the world of the living. Which he did, complete with a new body and clothes.

It took every ounce of energy and concentration he had, and it was only a temporary state, but it's still a tremendous feat. (As for why the hell lord didn't simply flee back to hell, he probably didn't know this had a time limit on it, or couldn't be repeated indefinately.)

Originally posted by cdtm
You talking about the Claremont story in Deadly Hands?

Yeah, Danny was dead. Anyone who read the story knows him being killed was kind of an important plot element, to chase after a hell lord that can switch freely between the living and dead worlds..

The plan backfired when the warrior mage hell lord simply fled from the afterlife to the living world, making him untouchable to spirits. And Danny was desperate enough to channel the Iron Fist and try to bridge back into the world of the living. Which he did, complete with a new body and clothes.

It took every ounce of energy and concentration he had, and it was only a temporary state, but it's still a tremendous feat. (As for why the hell lord didn't simply flee back to hell, he probably didn't know this had a time limit on it, or couldn't be repeated indefinately.)

Yeah, that's the one.

Originally posted by cdtm
You talking about the Claremont story in Deadly Hands?

Yeah, Danny was dead. Anyone who read the story knows him being killed was kind of an important plot element, to chase after a hell lord that can switch freely between the living and dead worlds..

Switching between two dimensions.

The plan backfired when the warrior mage hell lord simply fled from the afterlife to the living world, making him untouchable to spirits. And Danny was desperate enough to channel the Iron Fist and try to bridge back into the world of the living. Which he did, complete with a new body and clothes.

It took every ounce of energy and concentration he had, and it was only a temporary state, but it's still a tremendous feat. (As for why the hell lord didn't simply flee back to hell, he probably didn't know this had a time limit on it, or couldn't be repeated indefinately.)

I'm sorry but it looks like Danny is simply trapped in another plane of existence instead of dead which explain why he can return:

That's exactly the same thing than moving from the Astral Plane to ours and vice-versa:

The Immortal Weapons aren't immortal at all.

He was killed from behind, on panel, by Lancelot. Not dimension lost, most definately dead.

Originally posted by cdtm
He was killed from behind, on panel, by Lancelot. Not dimension lost, most definately dead.

Nope.

Dasha Khan blasted him with the Soulgem, switching Danny from one Dimension to another.

You own scan says "And return the dead... to life."

Plus, Danny was run through by a sword. Master Khan had nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by cdtm
You own scan says "And return the dead... to life."

Plus, Danny was run through by a sword. Master Khan had nothing to do with it.

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

I'm refering to Dasha Khan here and not Master Khan.

It's in Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu #23 and he uses the Soulgem to switch Danny from one plane to another.

He uses the gem to change the aspect of New York just after, it's hardly a kill but more a Dimensional Banishment.

Edit: Hang on.

Damned mobile devices..

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Switching between two dimensions.

Nope, he is quite clearly dead.

I'll just repeat what I said earlier.

Once again.

I am referring to Iron Fist being able to transform back into a human being (sort of) after being reduced to a ghost, and giving said ghost substance again after bridging the dimensional gap in the afterlife.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #23

http://i.imgur.com/fWatTco.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lcVDjfn.jpg

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #24

http://i.imgur.com/Bhcpmeo.png
http://i.imgur.com/xfpa0vX.jpg

It's only after this that he makes a complete resurrection though.

http://i.imgur.com/Ypzaeec.jpg

So, it's more like using his ghost to substitute his body.

I'm sorry but it looks like Danny is simply trapped in another plane of existence instead of dead which explain why he can return:

No, you're omitting context in the very scan that you cut up here. It even freaking notes "and bring what's dead back to life" next to the very inner monologue bubble that you circled. How can you miss that?

Then there is this. Where it's once again clarified.

That's exactly the same thing than moving from the Astral Plane to ours and vice-versa:

No, it isn't.

This isn't the astral plane. It's the freaking afterlife. I will circle it for you since apparently your eyesight is very poor.

The Immortal Weapons aren't immortal at all.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21

Daniel Rand was dead, and he bridged the dimensional gap then gave his ghost substance using his chi.

Once again you show how little you even know about this story-line.

Thanks. 🙂

Put up the previous page where they talk about killing him to fight a spirit, if anyone still has doubts.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

I'm refering to Dasha Khan here and not Master Khan.

It's in Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu #23 and he uses the Soulgem to switch Danny from one plane to another.

He uses the gem to change the aspect of New York just after, it's hardly a kill but more a Dimensional Banishment.

Nope, you're omitting context here. What happened here is that Daniel Rand was transported to earth. Which is why he was a ghost because he died earlier. What the helllord did was transport them all to a battleground of his choosing. He even says so in the very scan you just stole from me.

Originally posted by cdtm
Thanks. 🙂

Put up the previous page where they talk about killing him to fight a spirit, if anyone still has doubts.

You're welcome, and I shall.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21

The fact is that's completely a story about being trapped in one dimension and switching to another as Danny Rand can't come back from being killed:

0 hope to come back without the Soulgem despite the ability to briefly shift the Dimensional plane.

That's why the Iron Fist kept being butchered with no hope to come back at their 33 years old birthday.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The fact is that's completely a story about being trapped in one dimension and switching to another as Danny Rand can't come back from being killed:

The fact it's a story about Daniel Rand being murdered, and reduced to a ghost. Then being dragged into earth later where he fights a helllord. At which point he bridges the dimensional gap, and gives his ghost substance so he can fight said helllord.

I made this clear.

0 hope to come back without the Soulgem despite the ability to briefly shift the Dimensional plane.

That's why the Iron Fist kept being butchered with no hope to come back at their 33 years old birthday. [/B]

I already made it clear that Daniel Rand can bridge the dimensional gap, and give his ghost substance. He did this without the soul gem by using his chi. I already posted all the relevant evidence, and made that clear.

Now read it, and stop feigning ignorance.

Fine I acknowledge that Bowman killed him in the first place, however:

1) Dasha Khan teleported both to Earth.

2) Danny was bound to the Realm of the Dead and had to switch between the two Dimensions.

3) He has no meaning to do so without being transported by Dasha Khan on Earth in the first place.

4) He has no meaning to stay "alive" without the use of the Soulgem

Daniel Rand when dead stay dead.

The context is quite clear here.

That's not a feat he can replicate if he is killed so using him as an argument in a battle thread is completely fishy.

Here Danny Rand shitting in his pants in fear of Death and calling his friends to save him:

I guess that the minion whom attacked Iron Fist does Nuke-level punches but only against Danny, right ? LOL

I wonder if someone would Battlezone me.

Kenshiro (HNK or SNK, whatever) against Iron Fist (Danny Rand).

Sounds fair ?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Fine I acknowledge that Bowman killed him in the first place, however:

1) Dasha Khan teleported both to Earth.

Which you lied about earlier, and you tried to say Dasha Khan simply transformed him into an astral form.

2) Danny was bound to the Realm of the Dead and had to switch between the two Dimensions.

Yes, but you're missing the part where he gave his ghost substance with his chi. Which gave it a human form.

3) He has no meaning to do so without being transported by Dasha Khan on Earth in the first place.

Yes, he does he specifically bridged the dimensional gap and gave his spirit substance with chi. The reason he did that was because Dasha Khan and Jade were on Earth, and he needed to reach them through the difference of dimensional physics.

Feng-Tu is a realm where a ghost has substance already. Earth is another case entirely where it's formless.

Daniel Rand was already in Feng-Tu when he died that's why he was there to begin with.

4) He has no meaning to stay "alive" without the use of the Soulgem

As I already made clear he can substitute his body with his ghost, and to further cement this Daniel Rand was already in Feng Tu when he died. So, he was already in the land of the dead. This was before he was murdered.

Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu #21

http://imgur.com/a/C3GeH

He didn't actually move anywhere when he died. So, if he dies on Earth his ghost would remain there rather than in Feng-Tu.

Daniel Rand when dead stay dead.

Note what I said above. The reason Daniel Rand was in Feng-Tu was because he went there before he died.

The context is quite clear here.

No, it isn't. As I just clarified for you. The only reason Daniel Rand's ghost was in Feng-Tu was because he was already there when he was alive.

That's not a feat he can replicate if he is killed so using him as an argument in a battle thread is completely fishy.

No, it isn't as the only reason he was in Feng-Tu to begin with was because he was murdered there. That's why his ghost is already in Feng-Tu when he wakes up.

Here Danny Rand shitting in his pants in fear of Death and calling his friends to save him:

This is because Daniel Rand only replace his body with his ghost by giving it substance. It's not a true resurrection it's being able to fight on as a spirit. As I already made clear several times.

I guess that the minion whom attacked Iron Fist does Nuke-level punches but only against Danny, right ? LOL

We have been over this showings over other characters do not supersede individual showings. As the former is incredibly inconsistent, and unreliable in comic books.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Which you lied about earlier, and you tried to say Dasha Khan simply transformed him into an astral form.

Yes, but you're missing the part where he gave his ghost substance with his chi. Which gave it a human form.

Yes, he does he specifically bridged the dimensional gap and gave his spirit substance with chi. The reason he did that was because Dasha Khan and Jade were on Earth, and he needed to reach them through the difference of dimensional physics.

Feng-Tu is a realm where a ghost has substance already. Earth is another case entirely where it's formless.

Daniel Rand was already in Feng-Tu when he died that's why he was there to begin with.

As I already made clear he can substitute his body with his ghost, and to further cement this Daniel Rand was already in Feng Tu when he died. So, he was already in the land of the dead. This was before he was murdered.

Deadly Hands of Kung-Fu #21

http://imgur.com/a/C3GeH

He didn't actually move anywhere when he died. So, if he dies on Earth his ghost would remain there rather than in Feng-Tu.

Note what I said above. The reason Daniel Rand was in Feng-Tu was because he went there before he died.

No, it isn't. As I just clarified for you. The only reason Daniel Rand's ghost was in Feng-Tu was because he was already there when he was alive.

No, it isn't as the only reason he was in Feng-Tu to begin with was because he was murdered there. That's why his ghost is already in Feng-Tu when he wakes up.

This is because Daniel Rand only replace his body with his ghost by giving it substance. It's not a true resurrection it's being able to fight on as a spirit. As I already made clear several times.

We have been over this showings over other characters do not supersede individual showings. As the former is incredibly inconsistent, and unreliable in comic books.

In order to seal our debate once and for all I propose you to face me in a Battlezone:

Kenshiro Vs Iron Fist.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
In order to seal our debate once and for all I propose you to face me in a Battlezone:

Kenshiro Vs Iron Fist.

After everything? I am freaking exhausted. I have been debating in multiple threads, against multiple people at once. Made typos as a result that are now annoying me. I have spent the last couple of days furious and now I have a headache. This has been no fun at all, and I don't imagine if I take to the battlezone that it will become any more fun.