Silver Surfer vs Blue Marvel *Twist*

Originally posted by carver9
What's the best? What does he need to do? He has creamed high Heralds with a couple of blows...tackled teams...punched someone out of orbit through a titanium ship in space. Moved state size objects. What needs to be added to this cosmic? He even defeated a being that ran through the Avengers with ease.

He beat up Sentry, which is good.

I'd say that based on his showings thus far, he's intended to be Upper-Mid to High Herald class. But in the elite class with Superman/Thor? Not imo. Namor said in all his years, the only people who ever hit him as hard as Adam were Thor and Hulk, which doesn't put BM over either of them.

Furthermore, you have Grevioux (sp?), the creator of Blue Marvel, specifically state that he doesn't feel that BM is beyond that tier, just a solid member inside of them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He beat up Sentry, which is good.

I'd say that based on his showings thus far, he's intended to be Upper-Mid to High Herald class. But in the elite class with Superman/Thor? Not imo. Namor said in all his years, the only people who ever hit him as hard as Adam were Thor and Hulk, which doesn't put BM over either of them.

Furthermore, you have Grevioux (sp?), the creator of Blue Marvel, specifically state that he doesn't feel that BM is beyond that tier, just a solid member inside of them.

I don't think he is beyond them either but I do think he hold advantages over them...he hits extremely hard and is hard as hell to take down.

Namor statement makes it even much better since BM tends to hold hack tremendously...even against Villains.

Originally posted by carver9
I don't think he is beyond them either but I do think he hold advantages over them...he hits extremely hard and is hard as hell to take down.

Namor statement makes it even much better since BM tends to hold hack tremendously...even against Villains.

Originally posted by carver9
He is easily Thor and Supes level physically and from what I've seen, he might hit harder than both.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Lol...just because someone hits harder doesn't put them over high Herald. I think Savage Hulk hits harder than both Supes and Thor but he is still in their tier.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...just because someone hits harder doesn't put them over high Herald. I think Savage Hulk hits harder than both Supes and Thor but he is still I'm.their tier.

So what did Blue Marvel do to give you the idea that he might hit harder than Thor/Superman? Even though the only comparison directly given to him was the fact that only Thor and Hulk hit as hard as he did? And considering Namor isn't dead, we can assume they were still holding back?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So what did Blue Marvel do to give you the idea that he might hit harder than Thor/Superman? Even though the only comparison directly given to him was the fact that only Thor and Hulk hit as hard as he did? And considering Namor isn't dead, we can assume they were still holding back?

Similar fights give me the idea. Thor has fought Hyperion and has never done him the way BM did an amped Hyperion...King Hyperion. Then Thor has also faced Sentry and the same...BM knocked his a** out of orbit "while taking on the team of other Avengers". Then lets not forget that Antman was working the Avengers as well and Blue Marvel wrecked him as well. This is why imo I give him the props I give him.

Originally posted by carver9
Similar fights give me the idea. Thor has fought Hyperion and has never done him the way BM did an amped Hyperion...King Hyperion. Then Thor has also faced Sentry and the same...BM knocked his a** out of orbit "while taking on the team of other Avengers". Then lets not forget that Antman was working the Avengers as well and Blue Marvel wrecked him as well. This is why imo I give him the props I give him.

King Hyperion is overrated. And Thor's punked out Hyperion before. Thor fought a less inhibited Sentry and held his own until the Void influence took over. If Thor would have fought Sentry earlier in his career, he would have worked him over as bad, if not worse, than BM did. Thor fights team wreckers all the time and holds his own, if not wins.

I'm not saying Blue Marvel isn't powerful or formidable, but I don't see how you can look at his appearances and come to the conclusion that he might hit harder or be more formidable than people like Thor...when statements from characters and the writer himself clearly state that at best, he's an equal.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So what did Blue Marvel do to give you the idea that he might hit harder than Thor/Superman? Even though the only comparison directly given to him was the fact that only Thor and Hulk hit as hard as he did? And considering Namor isn't dead, we can assume they were still holding back?

Who has Thor ko'd with his hands that's as impressive?

Surfer would murder the Blue Marvel.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
King Hyperion is overrated. And Thor's punked out Hyperion before. Thor fought a less inhibited Sentry and held his own until the Void influence took over. If Thor would have fought Sentry earlier in his career, he would have worked him over as bad, if not worse, than BM did. Thor fights team wreckers all the time and holds his own, if not wins.

I'm not saying Blue Marvel isn't powerful or formidable, but I don't see how you can look at his appearances and come to the conclusion that he might hit harder or be more formidable than people like Thor...when statements from characters and the writer himself clearly state that at best, he's an equal.

I agree, BM is in their tier. Even though BM punch harder doesn't mean he is above them. It has been mentioned that Hulk hit harder than Thor but you still don't put Hulk above him...do ya.

King Hyperion took on and had the advantage against two Hyperions and the exiles as the same time....one has given Thor a good fight, Thor would get creamed by two of them and again, KH had the advantage over both. Blue Marvel worked this same Hyperion which is a helleva showing.

I doubt Blue Marvel punches harder than Hulk or Thor, he doesn't hit harder either. There exists no evidence to conclusively support your stance Carver. The creator of the character, the guy who's written all of his appearances will tell you that you're wrong by the way. Though I doubt this will discourage you.

Hulk doesn't hit harder than Thor either. Punching harder when sufficiently enraged though is reasonable.

King Hyperion is such an overrated little shit by the way. If he ever pops up in the 616 again and takes on Hulk, Thor, Surfer or someone, he'll get his ass handed to him.

The crazy thing about Blue Marvel and his power punches, is that he has the ability to hit an opponent with anti matter impacts. Now he's already at least a high class 100 on his own. Imagine how hard or how much damage he could bring with anti matter?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I doubt Blue Marvel punches harder than Hulk or Thor, he doesn't hit harder either. There exists no evidence to conclusively support your stance Carver. The creator of the character, the guy who's written all of his appearances will tell you that you're wrong by the way. Though I doubt this will discourage you.

Hulk doesn't hit harder than Thor either. Punching harder when sufficiently enraged though is reasonable.

King Hyperion is such an overrated little shit by the way. If he ever pops up in the 616 again and takes on Hulk, Thor, Surfer or someone, he'll get his ass handed to him.

Shaking my head.

Seriously... Is anyone voting for Blue Marvel here?

Originally posted by dmills
Who has Thor ko'd with his hands that's as impressive?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Well, he KO'ed Namor with a punch while it was raining... and BM didn't

Classic Namor? SERIOUSLY?

Originally posted by carver9
Classic Namor? SERIOUSLY?

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Invaders_33_03.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Invaders_33_04.jpg

I know of the encounter. I said that because current Namor is a different beast than his classic counterpart.

Originally posted by carver9
I know of the encounter. I said that because current Namor is a different beast than his classic counterpart.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
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why

Because Spiderman showing against Classic Namor is better than Sentry, Ironman, and Blue Marvel showing against Current Namor.