Originally posted by CosmicComet
Spiderman is anywhere form mid meta to trans though.
Lol...ok, I can do better. A pissed Thor hammer tossed Namor back in 2002 and hit him in the back of the head full force...basically a sneak attack and Namor got right back up after this. A charged hammer toss coming at Namor at full speed from a pissed Thor that snuck attacked him. Current Namor is a different beast.
Originally posted by carver9Classic Namor knocked Hulk human.
Because Spiderman showing against Classic Namor is better than Sentry, Ironman, and Blue Marvel showing against Current Namor.
Spider-Man gives everyone problems at one point in their life. Knocked out Hulk, gave Thor trouble, knocked out Firelord, gave Surfer trouble. Hell, I think he even managed to effect Iron Fist.
Originally posted by carver9
Because Spiderman showing against Classic Namor is better than Sentry, Ironman, and Blue Marvel showing against Current Namor.
What atrocious reasoning. You don't get to arbitrarily claim that there's a difference in power just because Namor had a meh showing against Spider-Man.
There's never been any noticeable difference in power between Namor in the past and today's. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever seen someone use the classic/current distinction for Namor. Anyone who's read up on the character will tell you that you're full of shit. Namor has his good days and his bad, all characters do.
You can press the issue if you want but I've ready every noticeable thing the character has done, his highs before the 2000 year mark are just as good as after.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...ok, I can do better. A pissed Thor hammer tossed Namor back in 2002 and hit him in the back of the head full force...basically a sneak attack and Namor got right back up after this. A charged hammer toss coming at Namor at full speed from a pissed Thor that snuck attacked him. Current Namor is a different beast.
1. Prove that it was a full force hammer attack.
2. It was the Heroes Reborn universe.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What atrocious reasoning. You don't get to arbitrarily claim that there's a difference in power just because Namor had a meh showing against Spider-Man.There's never been any noticeable difference in power between Namor in the past and today's. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever seen someone use the classic/current distinction for Namor. Anyone who's read up on the character will tell you that you're full of shit. Namor, has his good days and his bad, all characters do.
1. Prove that it was a full force hammer attack.
2. It was the Heroes Reborn universe.
Even though its a good showing for Thor and is within his power to one shot Heralds...I think using that as a norm for Namor is downplaying the character. Things doesn't happen like that with current Namor and you would be hard pressed to find a Herald one shotting him.
This is the hammer toss I am talking about and yes, it is from heroes reborn. Thor wasn't a happy camper during this fight...seemed pissed to me.
Originally posted by carver9
Even though its a good showing for Thor and is within his power to one shot Heralds...I think using that as a norm for Namor is downplaying the character. Things doesn't happen like that with current Namor and you would be hard pressed to find a Herald one shotting him.This is the hammer toss I am talking about and yes, it is from heroes reborn. Thor wasn't a happy camper during this fight...seemed pissed to me.
First of all, I didn't even bring up the showing, that was Bran mocking you. I've pretty much given up on that (There's no evidence to support you so why bother?), I was however pointing out that modern day Namor is not more powerful. That still hasn't changed by the way.
I'm not saying Thor's going to go around dropping Namor like that often, stop straw manning. Also, this was lol worthy after you mentioning Spider-Man as support for your stance.
You're a grown man Carver, there should be no excuse for the reasoning you use constantly unless you're trolling.
So you knowingly referenced a Heroes Reborn comic?
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Good showing for Namor no doubt, but you still haven't proven it was a full force throw. Thor's strongest throw to the back of the head would kill practically all Heralds for the record.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
First of all, I didn't even bring up the showing, that was Bran mocking you. I've pretty much given up on that (There's no evidence to support you so why bother?), I was however pointing out that modern day Namor is not more powerful. That still hasn't changed by the way.I'm not saying Thor's going to go around dropping Namor like that often, stop straw manning. Also, this was lol worthy after you mentioning Spider-Man as the reasoning for your side.
You're a grown man Carver, there should be no excuse for the reasoning you use constantly unless you're trolling.
So you knowingly referenced a Heroes Reborn comic?
ermm
Good showing for Namor no doubt, but you still haven't proven it was a full force throw. Thor's strongest throw to the back of the head would kill practically all Heralds for the record.
I'm not saying Namor is more powerful but what I am saying is Marvel has given Namor more respect as a character...they have even stated he can shake planets while fighting.
I agree, Thor can wreck Heralds...not my argument.
Originally posted by carver9
I'm not saying Namor is more powerful but what I am saying is Marvel has given Namor more respect as a character...they have even stated he can shake planets while fighting.I agree, Thor can wreck Heralds...not my argument.
Originally posted by carver9
I know of the encounter. I said that because current Namor is a different beast than his classic counterpart.
Lol, I'm hoping you aren't referring to Namor's encounter with the Behemoth from back in the day unless there's a more recent reference. Also, even if former scene didn't exist but the latter did, it still wouldn't prove your point. If something like that was mentioned though, I'd appreciate an issue number.
I'm starting to think you don't have any argument.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Certainly seemed like what you were going for with this:Do you have evidence to support that? We can compare Namor's highest feats before and after the year 2000 mark if you want.
Lol, I'm hoping you aren't referring to Namor's encounter with the Behemoth from back in the day unless there's a more recent reference. Also, even if former scene didn't exist but the latter did, it still wouldn't prove your point. If something like that was mentioned though, I'd appreciate an issue number.
I'm starting to think you don't have any argument.
Namor has literally fought almost every Herald in MU and has been holding his own. His current showings are far more impressive imo.
What scans are you asking for?
Originally posted by carver9
Namor has literally fought almost every Herald in MU and has been holding his own. His current showings are far more impressive imo.What scans are you asking for?
You say that like it's some kind of recent development, do you not know anything about the character? List his current showings that are superior to what his done in the past.
The issue that referenced this:
Originally posted by carver9
they have even stated he can shake planets while fighting.
I'm assuming it happened recently. Unless you made it up.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You say that like it's some kind of recent development, do you not know anything about the character? List his current showings that are superior to what his done in the past.The issue that referenced this:
I'm assuming it happened recently. Unless you made it up.
I'll look for the scan for you but it did happen recently (I never make stuff up).
You know of Namor fts recently. Why would I need to list them?
Originally posted by carver9
I'll look for the scan for you but it did happen recently (I never make stuff up).You know of Namor fts recently. Why would I need to list them?
Okay then.
I though I was aware of all of Namor's notable showings, which is why I've been constantly telling you that your argument is flawed. Of course, it's possible that I've missed a ton of impressive showings, so please list the instances you had in mind when you said this:
Originally posted by carver9
His current showings are far more impressive imo.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAny character you like... Carver is more well versed in all the time. He's seen some things man
Okay then.I though I was aware of all of Namor's notable showings, which is why I've been constantly telling you that your argument is flawed. Of course, it's possible that I've missed a ton of impressive showings, so please list the instances you had in mind when you said this:
His comparable and is clearly intended to be a high end strong man. My problem is with Carver's claims of superiority.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Any character you like... Carver is more well versed in all the time. He's seen some things man
Well he did say that he knows more about Thor than me, and sees he never makes things up, it must be true.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Surfer would murder the Blue Marvel.
I can't believe people think that a prolonged fight would somehow be to Surfer's detriment. The guy can take Savage Hulk's assaults without flinching, he can take Bannerless Hulk's assaults, what's BM gonna do that's anywhere close to the destructive force of either of them?
Originally posted by janus77
best and most reasonable post so far.I can't believe people think that a prolonged fight would somehow be to Surfer's detriment. The guy can take Savage Hulk's assaults without flinching, he can take Bannerless Hulk's assaults, what's BM gonna do that's anywhere close to the destructive force of either of them?
It's not just that.
It's also the fact that Surfer is more powerful. End of the story.
He was the most powerful on a team which some member would also shit all over Blue Marvel (Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill...) Two dudes that Surfer completly owned in the past.
Blue Marvel couldn't prevail on Sentry, what are his chance against aguarbly the most powerful herald out there? (with only Thor being discussed to be equal or above him)
