Sasquatch was severely weakened from the wooden spikes and getting shot in the gut (seperate instances) and then Wendigo sneak attacked him when he was still recovering and was outside trying to help the Wendigo not fight him. Meh!
We also never saw on-panel the fight between Wendigo and Sabretooth (well how it ended).
Originally posted by -K-M-
Sasquatch was severely weakened from the wooden spikes and getting shot in the gut (seperate instances) and then Wendigo sneak attacked him when he was still recovering and was outside trying to help the Wendigo not fight him. Meh!We also never saw on-panel the fight between Wendigo and Sabretooth (well how it ended).
they fell in the water Sabretooth clawed and bit him in the throat. we later see Sabretooth surface. I dont know, it seemed pretty clear to me with how it ended with sabretooth walking around with a new coat.
I highly doubt Sabretooth pulled out a magic spell or high tech gun for the win.
He won on his own merit. 😮💨
Originally posted by -K-M-you can temporarily kill a Wendigo they just dont stay that way.
We see them surface much later so we dont know what actually happened. That's the problem with off-panel fights.Also silly story anyways as you can't kill Wendigo, and to skin a Wendigo in the manner? He also would have had to do that underwater as well. Hmmmhmmm...
Jen and Logan ripped the heart out of one as well for a temp kill.
I simply assumed Sabretooth throat rip and drowning temp killed it long enough for Sabe to massacre it since we know Sabretooth doesnt stop till his enemy is dead if he isnt saddled with pis for a story.
Sabretooth could have easily kept ripping it apart after all he knew what he was facing hence was prepared to face it.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
you can temporarily kill a Wendigo they just dont stay that way.
Wolverine killed one by turning its face to mush, the problem was it recovered a few panels later while Logan was distracted.Jen and Logan ripped the heart out of one as well for a temp kill.
I simply assumed Sabretooth throat rip and drowning temp killed it long enough for Sabe to massacre it since we know Sabretooth doesnt stop till his enemy is dead if he isnt saddled with pis for a story.
Sabretooth could have easily kept ripping it apart after all he knew what he was facing hence was prepared to face it.
It was stated Sabretooth did (i.e not return...dead)
The Wolverine instance he didnt kill Wendigo. You talking about UXM #140? If so he even admits he would merely stun him.
He didnt die as noted.
Like I said off-panel so we just dont know. For all we know is when Sabretooth bit his throat it caused Wendigo to suffocate in the water...we just dont know.
Wolverine's claws have struggled to make serious damage to his hide, while here Sabretooth easily perfectly skins him and underwater too? Naaaaa...silly story
Originally posted by -K-M-
It was stated Sabretooth did (i.e not return...dead)The Wolverine instance he didnt kill Wendigo. You talking about UXM #140? If so he even admits he would merely stun him.
He didnt die as noted.
Like I said off-panel so we just dont know. For all we know is when Sabretooth bit his throat it caused Wendigo to suffocate in the water...we just dont know.
Wolverine's claws have struggled to make serious damage to his hide, while here Sabretooth easily perfectly skins him and underwater too? Naaaaa...silly story
Wolverine's never had a problem doing any amount of damage to Wendigo with his claws Adamantium or no. 😕
Taking away Sabretooth's victory over Wendigo? Is that what things have really come down to? 😐
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine's never had a problem doing any amount of damage to Wendigo with his claws Adamantium or no. 😕Taking away Sabretooth's victory over Wendigo? Is that what things have really come down to? 😐
When has Wolverine ever did that level of damage to Wendigo that quickly and easily as well?
Only thing to me that would possibly make sense is the Wendigo host that fought Sabretooth didnt have very good durability, and we have seen with each host their powers and abilities vary so it's plausable.
Oh no it happened, you cant take that away from Sabretooth. Just the overall story wasnt very great and downplayed several characters (especially Sasquatch), but no you CANT take anything away.
SIDENOTE: Jinzin have they explained how Sabretooth came back? Ive read a few of his apperances since his return but they never said HOW he came back. Have they yet?
Originally posted by -K-M-
When has Wolverine ever did that level of damage to Wendigo that quickly and easily as well?
Quickly? the fight took place off pannel. there no indication of time given.
Also that fact it was easier does not discredit the feat. Sabre-tooth has physical advantages over Wolverine which would make him more formidable against Wendigo then Wolverine would.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Only thing to me that would possibly make sense is the Wendigo host that fought Sabretooth didnt have very good durability, and we have seen with each host their powers and abilities vary so it's plausable.
Originally posted by -K-M-
SIDENOTE: Jinzin have they explained how Sabretooth came back? Ive read a few of his apperances since his return but they never said HOW he came back. Have they yet?
To my knowledge no explanation has been given. Perhaps it not the real deal (though i not sure this is correct because most clones of sabre-tooth have no had healing factors or if they did not strong ones and the sabre-tooth that recently fought Wolverine took claw to the brain and survived.)
Originally posted by -K-M-We've seen Wolverine knock Wendigo out with a claw smash to the face. We've seen him claw Wendigo with bone claws. We've seen him dice his face open with an axe.
When has Wolverine ever did that level of damage to Wendigo that quickly and easily as well?
Wolverine flat out said that he was attacking Wendigo in their first encounter specifically because Wendigo's hyde couldn't take it.
Let's not pretend he hasn't done significant damage to Wendigo just because of artistic representations.
"That quickly and easily"? Haven't you been sitting here telling us you don't know what happened, how do you know if was quick or easy? Looked like a bloodbath to me, and Sabretooth> Wolverine. Wolverine's made quick work of Wendigo in a berserker rage but for whatever reason exhausted himself in a few minutes doing so... Do you think THAT somehow is GOOD writing for his character? 😕 The guy who's has fought for days on end with no stop in sight, the guy who fought Omega Red for 17 hours, who spends hours in the danger room on max? REALLY?! Honestly it's the only time I've ever seen him tire from minutes of combat and frankly it's ridiculous. Let's pretend he was written like he is 99% of the time, and what's to keep him from continuing to claw Wendigo up while Wendigo's knocked out? Because like it was already pointed out, Sabretooth knowing full well what he was hunting, would do just that, and he wouldn't be tired after a few minutes of combat.
Originally posted by -K-M-Their powers and abilities vary to a certain extent yes. NO Wendigo has had this invulnerable-ish hyde you're suggesting. And none of them would just take Sabretooth's attacks like nothing. I'm not sure what you were expecting. Wendigo to no sell his claws? His claws have cut through metal, rock, organic steel, and other class 100's. 😐
Only thing to me that would possibly make sense is the Wendigo host that fought Sabretooth didnt have very good durability, and we have seen with each host their powers and abilities vary so it's plausable.
Not to mention the fact that at the time Sabretooth having Adamantium claws really was a toss up at that point, have no idea what the writer intended for him.
Originally posted by -K-M-I really don't think they have. ATM they're treating it like it's just something that happened and takes back seat to the story. I don't know what the hells going on lol
Oh no it happened, you cant take that away from Sabretooth. Just the overall story wasnt very great and downplayed several characters (especially Sasquatch), but no you CANT take anything away.SIDENOTE: Jinzin have they explained how Sabretooth came back? Ive read a few of his apperances since his return but they never said HOW he came back. Have they yet?
Originally posted by jinzin
We've seen Wolverine knock Wendigo out with a claw smash to the face. We've seen him claw Wendigo with bone claws. We've seen him dice his face open with an axe.
We also seen him not do much physical damage from a claw swipe too, which goes back to my point that different hosts vary in power levels and as I said Wolverine never came close to skinning a Wendigo alive.
Another instance (and Wendigo was up shortly after)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/uxm140pg13.jpg
Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine flat out said that he was attacking Wendigo in their first encounter specifically because Wendigo's hyde couldn't take it. [/b
Let's not pretend he hasn't done significant damage to Wendigo just because of artistic representations.
and in the example you mentioned they said he wasnt as durable as Hulk, but there was no visable damage when Wolverine attacked. With the help from the Hulk he merely ko'ed Wendigo but he even admitted you cant kill him
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-06.jpg
So has Wolverine done anything close to the level of Sabretooth did? No he definetly hasnt
Originally posted by jinzin
[B] "That quickly and easily"? Haven't you been sitting here telling us you don't know what happened, how do you know if was quick or easy? Looked like a bloodbath to me, and Sabretooth> Wolverine. Wolverine's made quick work of Wendigo in a berserker rage but for whatever reason exhausted himself in a few minutes doing so... Do you think THAT somehow is GOOD writing for his character? 😕 The guy who's has fought for days on end with no stop in sight, the guy who fought Omega Red for 17 hours, who spends hours in the danger room on max? REALLY?! Honestly it's the only time I've ever seen him tire from minutes of combat and frankly it's ridiculous. Let's pretend he was written like he is 99% of the time, and what's to keep him from continuing to claw Wendigo up while Wendigo's knocked out? Because like it was already pointed out, Sabretooth knowing full well what he was hunting, would do just that, and he wouldn't be tired after a few minutes of combat.
My comment was in referal to what was said earlier as I said we don't know what actually happened. The rest is your ranting and don't care to address. To your last comment have you tried skinning a large animal? It's a long process, and not only is Wendigo bigger then a bear but he also has a healing factor so to say Sabretooth could easily skin him out before he revives is pushing it. Not only is his claws shorter then a standard skinning blade, which would take longer, his hide is far larger and as mentioned his healing factor allows him to recover very quickly AND he did that all while underwater too. As we have seen several times it can even take a few panels for the Wendigo to recover
Originally posted by jinzin
Their powers and abilities vary to a certain extent yes. NO Wendigo has had this invulnerable-ish hyde you're suggesting. And none of them would just take Sabretooth's attacks like nothing. I'm not sure what you were expecting. Wendigo to no sell his claws? His claws have cut through metal, rock, organic steel, and other class 100's. 😐Not to mention the fact that at the time Sabretooth having Adamantium claws really was a toss up at that point, have no idea what the writer intended for him.
Never said he was invulnerable (well some people claim he is), but some are definetly far more durable then others and more stronger. Some Wendigo's have taken Wolverine's attack like they were nothing, so goes back to my comment that Wendigo durability wasnt anything special. Cutting him is one thing, but overall skin and kill him? Come on now that's silly
I don't have a problem with Sabretooth beating a Wendigo (As Wolverine has), but to skin and kill it in that manner? Silly.
Originally posted by -K-M-
We also seen him not do much physical damage from a claw swipe too,
When has Wolverine fought Wendigo and was not able to do damage to wendigo?
Originally posted by -K-M-
which goes back to my point that different hosts vary in power levels and as I said Wolverine never came close to skinning a Wendigo alive.
When has he tried to skinn a Wendigo?
Also you leaving out the fact most of the time he does not want to even fight the wendigo and is merely fighting Wendigo to A) protect other or B) protect him self. He almost never wants to kill the wendigo. So I not really sure this arguement holds much weight.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Another instance (and Wendigo was up shortly after)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/uxm140pg13.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
and in the example you mentioned they said he wasnt as durable as Hulk, but there was no visable damage when Wolverine attacked. With the help from the Hulk he merely ko'ed Wendigo but he even admitted you cant kill himhttp://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-06.jpg
KM are you kidding me? Are you really trying to indicate that Wolverine did not do any damage because of artist representation? He was clearly shown stabbing Wendigo and Wendigo be caused pain. The fact the artist did not show damage well does not over shadow the fact he clearly was doing damage. Many artist during this time had similar representations in which damage and blood were not shown yet it was clearly implied the person was taking significant damage from the attacks. I think such arguements are not only silly but nit picking.
this arguement seems like it reaching.
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Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
When has Wolverine fought Wendigo and was not able to do damage to wendigo?
On the level of what Sabretooth did? Never.
Now why do I have a feeling Dum Dum thinks I said Wolverine never hurt Wendigo? Which isnt the case.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
When has he tried to skinn a Wendigo?Also you leaving out the fact most of the time he does not want to even fight the wendigo and is merely fighting Wendigo to A) protect other or B) protect him self. He almost never wants to kill the wendigo. So I not really sure this arguement holds much weight.
What is this scan suppose to prove?
Never but even Wolverine as said was going all out and couldn't do much damage other then temp KO him which he even said. That's what the scan is supposed to show, as shortly after Wendigo was fine and then quickly ko'ed Wolverine
What times did he not want to fight Wendigo? haha what? Wendigo is stated to outright be UNKILLABLE even by Wolverine himself and in his basic bio. Almost never wants to kill him? He has tried and failed and said he could only stun him as in the scan I already posted.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
KM are you kidding me? Are you really trying to indicate that Wolverine did not do any damage because of artist representation? He was clearly shown stabbing Wendigo and Wendigo be caused pain. The fact the artist did not show damage well does not over shadow the fact he clear was doing damage. Many artist during this time had similar representations in which damage and blood were not shown yet it was clearly implied the person was taking significant damage from the attacks.this arguement seems like it reaching.
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Ummm...yeah, the artist representation is to show what's going on. I think you want me to see something that isn't there as you wish it was. The fact of the matter Wolverine can cut Wendigo, but on the level of Sabretooth? Never done anything like that. Also to skin and kill him underwater? Silly. The rest is you being confused and not understanding what i was saying.
Nothing wrong with Sabretooth beating Wendigo, but skinning and killing it? Silly. I go what is stated and shown in the comics...nuff said.
Originally posted by -K-M-Again, you're referencing comics from the 70's and early 80's can we not pretend like that doesn't matter? Do you really think they would showcase a enormous amount of bloodshed in those books? Comic code and all? No way. Just didn't happen back then, which is why I was talking about artistic interpretations.
We also seen him not do much physical damage from a claw swipe too, which goes back to my point that different hosts vary in power levels and as I said Wolverine never came close to skinning a Wendigo alive.Another instance (and Wendigo was up shortly after)
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/uxm140pg13.jpg
I mean shit, just look at the way the Hulk181 fight has been refernced, Wolverine a mangled mess after the Hulk punch, the Hulk actually getting cut and diced up. The retcons of the fight, show almost a completely different thing than what was on panel, but half of that is just because they can get away with so much more violence on panel than they ever would or could back then, let's not pretend that doesn't matter.
Originally posted by -K-M-
and in the example you mentioned they said he wasnt as durable as Hulk, but there was no visable damage when Wolverine attacked. With the help from the Hulk he merely ko'ed Wendigo but he even admitted you cant kill himhttp://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-06.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-Not because he couldn't.
So has Wolverine done anything close to the level of Sabretooth did? No he definetly hasnt
UXM140 Same thing, Wolverine made short work of Wendigo and if he had been written with a FRACTION of the stamina he normally is, or hell ANY SUPERHERO worth half a spit normally is, he could have continued his assault on the KO'd Wendi.
And finally, again Sabretooth> Wolverine. Wendigo couldn't last 5 minutes against a berserker Wolverine, Sabretooth pushes Wolverine into berserker mode because he thinks it's fun, literally. I wouldn't call Sabretooth's performance>>>>> Wolverine, but if it was I could definitely understand why.
Originally posted by -K-M-And we have seen him laid out for an extensive period during Wolverine's first appearance too. You're talking about characters who are so fast and precise with their claws that they can shed skintight body armor in the blink of an eye, and have done so on panel more than once. Sabretooth's claws are noted as being about 6 inches in length i believe, he's got 10 of them, and he's far more proficient with them than you or I could EVER be with a knife regardless of practice or years spent. Not to mention they've been noted as being sharper than surgical instruments. Have we ever seen what happens to a Wendigo when he's limbs are ripped off? How long does it take to recover from that? Who knows. And what we saw was underwater, which doesn't dictate everything took place underwater, doesn't mean it didn't, but even if it did, we're once again talking about characters who have been noted as having the ability to stay submerged for over an hour.
My comment was in referal to what was said earlier as I said we don't know what actually happened. The rest is your ranting and don't care to address. To your last comment have you tried skinning a large animal? It's a long process, and not only is Wendigo bigger then a bear but he also has a healing factor so to say Sabretooth could easily skin him out before he revives is pushing it. Not only is his claws shorter then a standard skinning blade, which would take longer, his hide is far larger and as mentioned his healing factor allows him to recover very quickly AND he did that all while underwater too. As we have seen several times it can even take a few panels for the Wendigo to recover
Originally posted by -K-M-No Wendigo has taken Wolverine's attack like it was nothing. 😐
Never said he was invulnerable (well some people claim he is), but some are definetly far more durable then others and more stronger. Some Wendigo's have taken Wolverine's attack like they were nothing, so goes back to my comment that Wendigo durability wasnt anything special. Cutting him is one thing, but overall skin and kill him? Come on now that's sillyI don't have a problem with Sabretooth beating a Wendigo (As Wolverine has), but to skin and kill it in that manner? Silly.
There's nothing silly about a character who's multiples superior to Wolverine beating Wendigo in a more brutal fashion than Wolverine has when Wolverine has beaten on some of the strongest incarnations of Wendigo rather easily even IN SPITE of being down-written himself. I'm sorry but again, it just looks like your pleading to have us ignore the feat based on some assumed issue of a lack of durability which just isn't at any point proven. People downplay the feat purely based on the fact that it was Sabretooth who did it, which is ridiculous. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but this kind of crap certainly adds to the stigma.
