Originally posted by Nietzschean
i cant believe he posted a comic scan from Wolverine's 1st appearance for his argument. that was an era when the comic code was at the height of its power and many comics didnt depict blood and core.
Are you people for real? I posted that scan about Wolverine saying he cant kill Wendigo. I even explained it in the sentence before the link 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-I didnt lie the Wendigo cant be killed. They tend resurrect. but, they do temp die/ko.
Are you people for real? I posted that scan about Wolverine saying he cant kill Wendigo. I even explained it in the sentence before the link 😬
We seen Wendigo's die more than once on panel by getting their hearts ripped out. sure technically the Wendigo isnt dead b/c he comes back to life but for all intent and purposes the Wendigo is dead at that moment and lost the fight.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
I didnt lie the Wendigo cant be killed. They tend resurrect. but, they do temp die/ko.We seen Wendigo's die more than once on panel by getting their hearts ripped out. sure technically the Wendigo isnt dead b/c he comes back to life but for all intent and purposes the Wendigo is dead at that moment and lost the fight.
Temp ko, but here it was said he DIED in a Sabretooth bio and from the author himself (Was on Alphaflight.net, but site got hacked).
Once again he didn't die there, if that's the case you could say anyone with a healing factor dies every time they take damage. There's a reason the Wendigo is called IMMORTAL!
Originally posted by -K-M-Wolverine, Thor, Hercules have all bn called immortal, so what?
Temp ko, but here it was said he DIED in a Sabretooth bio and from the author himself (Was on Alphaflight.net, but site got hacked).Once again he didn't die there, if that's the case you could say anyone with a healing factor dies every time they take damage. There's a reason the Wendigo is called IMMORTAL!
your argument is semantics at its best. a missing heart, mushed brains unable to move for several panels equal dead/ko at least till the magic resurrects and heals him..
🙄
Originally posted by -K-M-
Are you people for real? I posted that scan about Wolverine saying he cant kill Wendigo. I even explained it in the sentence before the link 😬
It because your not being clear in soem cases. He was referring to this part of your statement
Originally posted by -K-M-
and in the example you mentioned they said he wasnt as durable as Hulk, but there was no visable damage when Wolverine attacked.
Which i agree with him is a silly arguement.
Sorry folks this is mylast post for awhile.
Originally posted by jinzin
Again, you're referencing comics from the 70's and early 80's can we not pretend like that doesn't matter? Do you really think they would showcase a enormous amount of bloodshed in those books? Comic code and all? No way. Just didn't happen back then, which is why I was talking about artistic interpretations.I mean shit, just look at the way the Hulk181 fight has been refernced, Wolverine a mangled mess after the Hulk punch, the Hulk actually getting cut and diced up. The retcons of the fight, show almost a completely different thing than what was on panel, but half of that is just because they can get away with so much more violence on panel than they ever would or could back then, let's not pretend that doesn't matter.
It does matter, but when has a Wolverine battle with Wendigo every been as bloddy or as raw as the battle with Sabretooth? Never. That's what I have been saying. I'm not even just talking about the 70 and 80 fights I'm really talking about all their fights. Any damage he has done Wendigo has quickly recovered from. I have no problem with Wolverine or Sabretooth hurting or beating Wendigo but killing and skinning? Silly.
Originally posted by jinzin
For the first part, read above, for the second, I don't think I've ever argued against this.
You came in late that was being argued.
Originally posted by jinzin
Not because he couldn't.
In Hulk 181 he put a one sided ass kicking on Wendigo (one of the stronger incarnations too) and Wendigo was on the ropes, just because Hulk interrupted doesn't mean Wolverine needed his help, it's just what happened, while Wolverine was in the middle of thrashing him, before Wolverine put him out for A WHILE anyway.
One-sided ass beating? When does a few hits become an ass beating? He wasnt even groaning out in pain. Was Wendigo seriously hurt here or even close to being ko'ed or beaten before Hulk got into the fight? Definetly not 😬 Was he weakening? Sure, but still strong enough to rock Hulk with a punch when he jumped in
1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-01.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-02.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-03.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-04.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-05.jpg
6. [url]http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-06.jpg[/url
Originally posted by jinzin
UXM140 Same thing, Wolverine made short work of Wendigo and if he had been written with a FRACTION of the stamina he normally is, or hell ANY SUPERHERO worth half a spit normally is, he could have continued his assault on the KO'd Wendi.
Made short work sure, but as noted it definetly wasnt easy for him. Then shortly afterwards Wendigo recovered and quickly ko'ed Wolverine. He even admitted AT BEST he could only stun him and Wendigo quickly recovered so you think Wolverine could have skinned him before the time he recovered? I definetly dont.
Originally posted by jinzin
And finally, again Sabretooth> Wolverine. Wendigo couldn't last 5 minutes against a berserker Wolverine, Sabretooth pushes Wolverine into berserker mode because he thinks it's fun, literally. I wouldn't call Sabretooth's performance>>>>> Wolverine, but if it was I could definitely understand why.
Sabretooth and Wolverine have balanced out in power, before there was a clear difference but Wolverine has been getting the better of him more often times then not. Also he has on other times. I repeat....NOTHING WRONG WITH SABRETOOTH WINNING. It's the skinning and killing I don't like.
Originally posted by jinzin
And we have seen him laid out for an extensive period during Wolverine's first appearance too. You're talking about characters who are so fast and precise with their claws that they can shed skintight body armor in the blink of an eye, and have done so on panel more than once. Sabretooth's claws are noted as being about 6 inches in length i believe, he's got 10 of them, and he's far more proficient with them than you or I could EVER be. Not to mention they've been noted as being sharper than surgical instruments. Have we ever seen what happens to a Wendigo when he's limbs are ripped off? How long does it take to recover from that? Who knows. And what we saw was underwater, which doesn't dictate everything took place underwater, doesn't mean it didn't, but even if it did, we're once again talking about characters who have been noted as having the ability to stay submerged for over an hour.
and as I said smaller then a skinning knife and somebear hides can take over an hour and with two people working on it at once. Now the Wendigo's hide is stronger, bigger and has a healing factor that has shown to recover instantly in a matter of minutes or shorter
Which goes back with what I said earlier, we don't know what happened as it was off-panel. Then you guys started to argue these tangents, but from Sabretooth talking to the family before and after the fight sure didnt seem like it was a long time. Once again nothing wrong with Sabretooth winning, but durabilities were being downplayed in that story. Hell look at Sasquatch he got the worst of it.
Originally posted by jinzin
No Wendigo has taken Wolverine's attack like it was nothing. 😐There's nothing silly about a character who's multiples superior to Wolverine beating Wendigo in a more brutal fashion than Wolverine has when Wolverine has beaten on some of the strongest incarnations of Wendigo rather easily even IN SPITE of being down-written himself. I'm sorry but again, it just looks like your pleading to have us ignore the feat based on some assumed issue of a lack of durability which just isn't at any point proven. People downplay the feat purely based on the fact that it was Sabretooth who did it, which is ridiculous. I'm not saying that's what you're doing, but this kind of crap certainly adds to the stigma.
In the regards to what Sabretooth did? Darn right they have.
Once again do you understand the logistics of actually skinning something? No I never said ignore the feat I said the opposite in fact so dont try to pull that card please. As I said I have no problem with Sabretooth winning, but killing and skinning the immortal Wendigo? that's something I don't agree with.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
Wolverine, Thor, Hercules have all bn called immortal, so what?your argument is semantics at its best. a missing heart, mushed brains unable to move for several panels equal dead/ko at least till the magic resurrects and heals him..
🙄
Because as noted Wendigo's immortality is different then theirs. Wolverine had immortality but lost it and admitted he can die again.
No that is a KO not death as we even see the Wendigo is fine in the crimson bands shortly after
Originally posted by -K-M-And again, your plea towards bloodshed is seriously grasping when we've seen Wolverine easily incap some of the most powerful versions of Wendigo more easily than Sabretooth did against one you're assuming was weaker. You're arguing for artistic interpretation.
It does matter, but when has a Wolverine battle with Wendigo every been as bloddy or as raw as the battle with Sabretooth? Never. That's what I have been saying. I'm not even just talking about the 70 and 80 fights I'm really talking about all their fights. Any damage he has done Wendigo has quickly recovered from. I have no problem with Wolverine or Sabretooth hurting or beating Wendigo but killing and skinning? Silly.
But to be clear, we've seen Bone Claw wolverine leave serious gashes across Wendigo's face with nubs for claws, we've seen him de-limb a Wendigo. You're argument suggests that just because we haven't seen as bloody a fight between these characters that we should ignore the results. But they matter, and bloodshed or no Wolverine's put a much worse woopin on Wendigo than Sabretooth did, Sabretooth just KEPT going when his fight was done. Which is something we haven't seen Wolverine do.
Originally posted by -K-M-
You came in late that was being argued.
Originally posted by -K-M-
One-sided ass beating? When does a few hits become an ass beating? He wasnt even groaning out in pain. Was Wendigo seriously hurt here or even close to being ko'ed or beaten before Hulk got into the fight? Definetly not 😬1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-01.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-02.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-03.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-04.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-05.jpg
6. [url]http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/TheIncredibleHulkv2-181-06.jpg[/url
What IS definite? That Wolverine after three attacks already surmised that Wendi was weakening. That he was landing unanswered shots on Wendigo. And that he was literally booting him down a mountainside while doing it. That together with the fact that Wolverine's put Wendigo down by himself in UXM later on?
And yeah, it was a one sided ass beating, and no, he probably didn't need Hulk to finish the job. Because, y'know he didn't the next time they met.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Made short work sure, but as noted it definetly wasnt easy for him. Then shortly afterwards Wendigo recovered and quickly ko'ed Wolverine. He even admitted AT BEST he could only stun him and Wendigo quickly recovered so you think Wolverine could have skinned him before the time he recovered? I definetly dont.
And again, we've never seen Wolverine continue an assault on a KO'ed Wendigo so who knows. Why you assume that he would have to go straight to skinning instead of taking out vitals, removing them, de-limbing him... Shit this would be standard procedure to take out anyone who is virtually unkillable...kinda like how he was doing it against all the unkillables in the best there is arc.. 😕
Originally posted by -K-M-Pretty much a myth, already been confirmed Sabretooth toys with Logan because he thinks it's fun. He's hardly ever taken their fights seriously. He thinks it's playtime.
Sabretooth and Wolverine have balanced out in power, before there was a clear difference but Wolverine has been getting the better of him more often times then not. Also he has on other times. I repeat....NOTHING WRONG WITH SABRETOOTH WINNING. It's the skinning and killing I don't like.
Just for the record, I was never convinced Wendigo was out and out dead, but temporarily put down like usual. Maybe longer than usual, but not dead.
As for the skinning part, that's only because you're viewing it through a funnel to take away from the possibility of it happening.
Originally posted by -K-M-Again... you're comparing a skinning knife to ten of Sabretooth's stronger than steel, sharper than razor sharp claws wielded by a creature faster and more experienced than a guy who shredded skin tight armor faster than it took to say a single sentence. 😐
and as I said smaller then a skinning knife and somebear hides can take over an hour and with two people working on it at once. Now the Wendigo's hide is stronger, bigger and has a healing factor that has shown to recover instantly in a matter of minutes or shorter
Originally posted by -K-M-You can argue for Sas' durability sure (sometimes), but Wendigo? No! There's nothing to suggest he had poor durability other than being diced by Sabretooth, who has cut through metals, rock, organic steel, class 100's and has displayed the strength to rip things apart that are Adamantium resistant, at a time where the writer may have very well been under the impression that Sabretooth still had Adamantium claws. There's nothing there that supports your notion.
Which goes back with what I said earlier, we don't know what happened as it was off-panel. Then you guys started to argue these tangents, but from Sabretooth talking to the family before and after the fight sure didnt seem like it was a long time. Once again nothing wrong with Sabretooth winning, but durabilities were being downplayed in that story. Hell look at Sasquatch he got the worst of it.
Originally posted by -K-M-
In the regards to what Sabretooth did? Darn right they have.Once again do you understand the logistics of actually skinning something? No I never said ignore the feat I said the opposite in fact so dont try to pull that card please. As I said I have no problem with Sabretooth winning, but killing and skinning the immortal Wendigo? that's something I don't agree with.
Artistic representation, we don't have to beat this dead horse anymore.
Once again, do you understand the fail in comparing what you or I can do to a comic character?
You don't have to agree with it, but there's plenty of reasons to do so, and at the end of the day it's what happened.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Because as noted Wendigo's immortality is different then theirs. Wolverine had immortality but lost it and admitted he can die again.
