Mr majestic/Apollo vs superman/Martian manhunter
Wildatorm has become convinced that the only way to protect the earth is with and iron fist. Dc believes there must be another way.
Mr majestic believes that to save the earth the superhumans must rule with an iron fist.
Obviously superman sees It differently
They fight on war world after superman has discovered Mongol has been killed by the other team.
Originally posted by abhilegend
ha-som
Seriously, apollo is out of his league here and kal takes majestros for 6/10.
Well, yes, Apollo is the reason his team loses. My point is that it wouldn't be a stomp. The forum has, in its history, had a very overwhelming tendency to consider ONLY his lowest showings. Very few on KMC are afforded such an initial handicap. There are those who claim he'd lose to High Meta bricks like Namor or Thing. Which is ridiculous, of course, but indicative of my point.
Majestros is also the most skilled and arguably (very strongly imo) the fastest in the fight.
Originally posted by Digi
Well, yes, Apollo is the reason his team loses. My point is that it wouldn't be a stomp. The forum has, in its history, had a very overwhelming tendency to consider ONLY his lowest showings. Very few on KMC are afforded such an initial handicap. There are those who claim he'd lose to High Meta bricks like Namor or Thing. Which is ridiculous, of course, but indicative of my point.Majestros is also the most skilled and arguably (very strongly imo) the fastest in the fight.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, I've been to his respect thread and nothing I saw makes me believe he's much above thing in strength. Skill I would give you that, but superman is strongest, fastest, most durable character here.
See, I never understood this. Lifting skyscrapers, scouring the entire moon in under a minute with heat vision, slamming into the earth (including re-entry) at Mach speeds and creating a hole the size of a building and walking away from it like it's nothing. Taking Cpt. Atom to school before being tricked into getting overloaded on power. One-shotting a (literally) planet-sized space station. That's off the top of my head. There's probably a dozen others in there that Ben couldn't replicate. What feats were you looking at?
Also, the whole "Superman is the strongest, fastest, etc." thing... I do actually think the burden of proof is on Superman to prove he's faster or more skilled than Majestic. Majestic's best speed feats rival things only the Flash has done. And he's a Kherubim warlord on a planet of beings with elite level MA skills and superhuman powers, and he's the best of them. He's also moved planets with his strength (the telekinetic gloves he used were not an amp, as has been shown definitively, they just held the planets together). I'll grant Kal's stronger and more durable, but a legit (non fan-voted "Superman has to win"😉 fight between them, given their feats, is damn close.
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Here's the link to my Authority thread. There's more total links in the separate Apollo thread, but also more filler imo. I just browsed through the Apollo post to jog my memory, and I doubt Ben could replicate 1/5 of these feats, even if we just consider strength and ignore all the other attributes and powers that put Apollo above him considerably.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10566848#post10566848
...again, it's just an odd bias against him. He goes around wrecking sh*t like the Superman knock-off he is, then has I think 2 instances of losing his charge quickly (in very mitigating circumstances) and people think he fizzles after like 2 punches. He's honestly my least favorite character in the Authority, but the only one I really have to defend on the forums. The rest get their due, and it's usually not much more or less than they deserve.
Originally posted by Digi
See, I never understood this. Lifting skyscrapers, scouring the entire moon in under a minute with heat vision, slamming into the earth (including re-entry) at Mach speeds and creating a hole the size of a building and walking away from it like it's nothing. Taking Cpt. Atom to school before being tricked into getting overloaded on power. One-shotting a (literally) planet-sized space station. That's off the top of my head. There's probably a dozen others in there that Ben couldn't replicate. What feats were you looking at?Also, the whole "Superman is the strongest, fastest, etc." thing... I do actually think the burden of proof is on Superman to prove he's faster or more skilled than Majestic. Majestic's best speed feats rival things only the Flash has done. And he's a Kherubim warlord on a planet of beings with elite level MA skills and superhuman powers, and he's the best of them. He's also moved planets with his strength (the telekinetic gloves he used were not an amp, as has been shown definitively, they just held the planets together). I'll grant Kal's stronger and more durable, but a legit (non fan-voted "Superman has to win"😉 fight between them, given their feats, is damn close.
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Here's the link to my Authority thread. There's more total links in the separate Apollo thread, but also more filler imo. I just browsed through the Apollo post to jog my memory, and I doubt Ben could replicate 1/5 of these feats, even if we just consider strength and ignore all the other attributes and powers that put Apollo above him considerably.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10566848#post10566848
...again, it's just an odd bias against him. He goes around wrecking sh*t like the Superman knock-off he is, then has I think 2 instances of losing his charge quickly (in very mitigating circumstances) and people think he fizzles after like 2 punches. He's honestly my least favorite character in the Authority, but the only one I really have to defend on the forums. The rest get their due, and it's usually not much more or less than they deserve.
The fts on the top paragraph, who did all of that? Apollo? I would say Superman and Majestic are peers strength and durability...I would give Maj the edge in speed and put Superman heat vision above Majestics.
Originally posted by Digi
See, I never understood this. Lifting skyscrapers, scouring the entire moon in under a minute with heat vision, slamming into the earth (including re-entry) at Mach speeds and creating a hole the size of a building and walking away from it like it's nothing. Taking Cpt. Atom to school before being tricked into getting overloaded on power. One-shotting a (literally) planet-sized space station. That's off the top of my head. There's probably a dozen others in there that Ben couldn't replicate. What feats were you looking at?
I said "not much stronger than thing", not "as strong as thing". He was sundipped when he cleaned the moon and where was it mentioned that it was under a minute? I didn't see the re-entry feat into his respect thread. Majestros was dying in that series and he was taken by surprise, later he manhandled atom by one hand. Really digi
http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=113rd.jpg
http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=123dm.jpg
Also, the whole "Superman is the strongest, fastest, etc." thing... I do actually think the burden of proof is on Superman to prove he's faster or more skilled than Majestic. Majestic's best speed feats rival things only the Flash has done. And he's a Kherubim warlord on a planet of beings with elite level MA skills and superhuman powers, and he's the best of them. He's also moved planets with his strength (the telekinetic gloves he used were not an amp, as has been shown definitively, they just held the planets together). I'll grant Kal's stronger and more durable, but a legit (non fan-voted "Superman has to win"😉 fight between them, given their feats, is damn close.
I never said superman is "as skilled as majestic" but he's certainly faster
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]"For a fraction of a nanosecond, an instant suspended between eternities of past and future", Superman interacted with hal without any discomfort or problem.
He also stops Professor Zoom in mid-blitz
Superman has also moved a planet and aginst an opposing force nonetheless, heck he's pushed a ship towing both earth and moon through hyperspace in byrne era for more than 10 minutes. He's beaten and stalemated planet movers before like pocket-dimension superboy, Mon-el etc. I never said it wouldn't be close, majestic is a beast but you know superman is superman.
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Here's the link to my Authority thread. There's more total links in the separate Apollo thread, but also more filler imo. I just browsed through the Apollo post to jog my memory, and I doubt Ben could replicate 1/5 of these feats, even if we just consider strength and ignore all the other attributes and powers that put Apollo above him considerably.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=10566848#post10566848
...again, it's just an odd bias against him. He goes around wrecking sh*t like the Superman knock-off he is, then has I think 2 instances of losing his charge quickly (in very mitigating circumstances) and people think he fizzles after like 2 punches. He's honestly my least favorite character in the Authority, but the only one I really have to defend on the forums. The rest get their due, and it's usually not much more or less than they deserve. [/B]
I don't think ben can replicate those feats, but someone stronger than him but not quite simon and namor level can do it. Good respect thread, but I never once brought up any losing charge instance, did I? I give him his due, but he's out of his class here.
Originally posted by carver9
The fts on the top paragraph, who did all of that? Apollo?
Yes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I said "not much stronger than thing", not "as strong as thing". He was sundipped when he cleaned the moon and where was it mentioned that it was under a minute? I didn't see the re-entry feat into his respect thread. Majestros was dying in that series and he was taken by surprise, later he manhandled atom by one hand. Really digi
The one where he one-shots the Cthulu monster by flying into it started in space. The whole thing isn't posted in the respect thread, just the impact itself.
The under a minute thing was a mis-recollection on my part. Still, look at the scans. He wasn't taking his time with it.
Majestic's wonky showings in that arc aside, it's all canon for both companies, and Apollo looked awesome in 3 separate feats against CA, durability, strength, and heat vision. But I'm sure he's just a little above Thing. 🙄
Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said superman is "as skilled as majestic" but he's certainly faster
What year is that comic from? Looks dangerously close to PC.
I'd counter with this:
Originally posted by Galan007
Majestic can react on a nanosecond-by-nanosecond basis:
Or a feat that is strangely absent from his respect thread, but is also his best speed feat ever. He flies from space to earth, builds a Reed-esque tech device, and flies back to space, in literally a nanosecond iirc. Even with that Superman feat (all popular characters have their share of lunacy in the feats department) we're looking at a push for fight purposes.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has also moved a planet and aginst an opposing force nonetheless, heck he's pushed a ship towing both earth and moon through hyperspace in byrne era for more than 10 minutes. He's beaten and stalemated planet movers before like pocket-dimension superboy, Mon-el etc. I never said it wouldn't be close, majestic is a beast but you know superman is superman.
I know Superman is a planet-mover, just letting you know they're on equal terms in pretty much every category, and I actually think Majestic has him in 1-2.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think ben can replicate those feats, but someone stronger than him but not quite simon and namor level can do it. Good respect thread, but I never once brought up any losing charge instance, did I? I give him his due, but he's out of his class here.
My point is that any comparison to Ben, even saying he's only a little stronger than him, is laughable. I haven't seen anything dissuade me from that opinion, either feats or in the form of logic. He's the least powerful in this fight, but he'd also hold his own for a while. My guess is that eventually he'll go head to head with some big gun in DC and everyone will say "Oh, Apollo got an upgrade." And I'll be the one shaking my head. Apparently toppling skyscrapers, elder gods, and planet-sized ships is just barely enough to warrant low herald consideration.
Originally posted by Digi
Yes.The one where he one-shots the Cthulu monster by flying into it started in space. The whole thing isn't posted in the respect thread, just the impact itself.
I don't see it in the respect thread. Can you give me the issue number?
The under a minute thing was a mis-recollection on my part. Still, look at the scans. He wasn't taking his time with it.
Sure, but it wasn't shown how much time he took for that either. He was amped for it anyway.
Majestic's wonky showings in that arc aside, it's all canon for both companies, and Apollo looked awesome in 3 separate feats against CA, durability, strength, and heat vision. But I'm sure he's just a little above Thing. 🙄
That whole arc was a mess, changing characters' powers and personalities on a whim. I don't take anything in that arc seriously but its cannon, so to hell with it. That's one outlier for apollo, but hey ben has toppled galactus.😛
What year is that comic from? Looks dangerously close to PC.
Action comics 642.
I'd counter with this:
I'd counter that with this
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/superman_nano_second_reaction.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/as603p19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/as603p20.jpg
Or a feat that is strangely absent from his respect thread, but is also his best speed feat ever. He flies from space to earth, builds a Reed-esque tech device, and flies back to space, in literally a nanosecond iirc. Even with that Superman feat (all popular characters have their share of lunacy in the feats department) we're looking at a push for fight purposes.
Sure but fractions of nano-seconds are faster than nano-seconds and superman has done it twice. There goes the theory that majestic uses speed more than superman. That's not how it goesin forums, if you have feats you are more powerful.
I know Superman is a planet-mover, just letting you know they're on equal terms in pretty much every category, and I actually think Majestic has him in 1-2.
Sure they are, untill kal goes all out.
My point is that any comparison to Ben, even saying he's only a little stronger than him, is laughable. I haven't seen anything dissuade me from that opinion, either feats or in the form of logic. He's the least powerful in this fight, but he'd also hold his own for a while. My guess is that eventually he'll go head to head with some big gun in DC and everyone will say "Oh, Apollo got an upgrade." And I'll be the one shaking my head. Apparently toppling skyscrapers, elder gods, and planet-sized ships is just barely enough to warrant low herald consideration.
I can sense your pain, I think that superman should be a skyfather level being but alas!!sadwalk
