Mr majestic/Apollo vs superman/Martian manhunter

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Give Apollo sometime, I bet he's in Superman's class now. He was said to be Superman class or possibly in Stormwatch.

Yep, in Stormwatch issue 1 it was said that he's a Superman level meta.

That being said, Team 2 wins simply because of the Martian's telepathy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't see it in the respect thread. Can you give me the issue number?

My collection is in another state atm, so no. But I can post the feat. It's the Cthulu one:

Originally posted by Digi
Big fragging monster.
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Big fragging monster go Boom!
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…simply by speedblitzing the Earth, Apollo creates a massive shockwave and explosion to take the thing out, and is fine afterwards.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure, but it wasn't shown how much time he took for that either. He was amped for it anyway.

Define amped. It was within his power set. There were no special circumstances that gave him a boost. Amped implies something exterior to his natural powers. You might as well say every one of his dozens of good feats is "amped."

Originally posted by abhilegend
That whole arc was a mess, changing characters' powers and personalities on a whim. I don't take anything in that arc seriously but its cannon, so to hell with it.

Your own words give me my answer here:

Originally posted by abhilegend
if you have feats you are more powerful

So are you still claiming that he's Thing-level in some way? I feel like you tried to move the point of discussion here, because it seems like you're treating Apollo like the low-to-mid herald leveler he actually is.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sure but fractions of nano-seconds are faster than nano-seconds and superman has done it twice. There goes the theory that majestic uses speed more than superman. That's not how it goesin forums, if you have feats you are more powerful.

I think you've successfully proved that they are on roughly equal footing. Kudos. I didn't doubt Superman possessed such feats, I had just never seen them. Skill remains, however.

And as long as we're comparing feats, Majestic does about 1000x more in the "fly to earth, build impossibly advanced tech, fly back" scan than Kal does in any of his. The difficulty and length of the feat performed has to be considered along with the timeframe itself. I don't necessarily have a rooting interest in their matchup, I just think we should look at all aspects of the conflict. Given this evidence, I'll actually happily concede the slightest of edges to Superman in combat speed, though when dealing with such infinitessimal [sic] fractions of time, for practical purposes we're looking at a push.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I can sense your pain, I think that superman should be a skyfather level being but alas!!sadwalk

He's clearly not. And the "sense your pain" comment is a nice linguistic jab, common enough on the forums, intended to create a sense of weakness in one's opponent....either actual weakness if they respond to the comment, or just in the perception of their argument as viewed by others on the forum. The truth, however, is that there's no pain. I feel I've sufficiently defended my position on Apollo, I learned some new feats of Superman, and hopefully imparted some knowledge on these characters to you as well.

Originally posted by deathlife
Yep, in Stormwatch issue 1 it was said that he's a Superman level meta.

That being said, Team 2 wins simply because of the Martian's telepathy.

I forgot about his telepathy. Please make your considerations on only a physical confrontation level.

Both on the Wildstorm team have displayed telepathic resistance. I don't remember the details of the Majestic feat, but I think it's in his respect thread. From what I remember it was quite impressive. Apollo's was against Jackson King, and not as impressive, but still exists.

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My bad, by the way, with part of my earlier post. The "Big Fraggin' Monster" scan did not originate in space. However, Apollo does have a re-entry feat where smashes into earth in a similar manner. I can picture the exact panel in my head where he walks away from it casually. Apparently it's not listed in his thread, which I'm surprised at. But meh, I can't catch 'em all apparently.

Team 2 takes majority, Apollo is the weak link. With prep Team 1 takes it because of Majestros superior intellect.

Originally posted by Digi
Both on the Wildstorm team have displayed telepathic resistance. I don't remember the details of the Majestic feat, but I think it's in his respect thread. From what I remember it was quite impressive.

Maj also resisted Brainchild's TP.

Spllit or a slightn advantage to team 2. Mr M can match Superman and Apollo most likely MM, but MM versatility will give them an edge.

Originally posted by Galan007
Majestic resisted an attempt from numerous alternate reality Daemonites that tried to take over his mind/body... That is especially impressive because those Daemonites were MORE powerful than the ones Majestic was accustomed to--they had already overtaken every sentient being in their universe, and overtaken nearly every sentient on Majestic's earth (inc. Spartan.)

Maj also resisted Brainchild's TP.