Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Woah woah woah (sweet child o mine!!!)So you're either saying Ms Marvel, frickin' War Machine, Spiderman, Reed and IW are more powerful than Savage Hulk????? Really???
Spiderman??? War Machine, the guy who has lasers and guns? The Reed that we saw in WWH (i.e. the Reed who doesn't pull out Galactus hurting weapons, but instead builds a love ray)??
I said SKAAR is more powerful than Savage Hulk and the rest is more powerful than Thing.
Originally posted by carver9
But you are missing my point. This version of Thor got stalemated for hours against people weaker than this team. The team that was in front of WWH didnt even have the courage to approach him.By the way, I would still give this version of Skaar the majority against any Herald (watch someone make a thread with this Skaar since I said this...I'm so loved).
I'm not; your logic just isn't as solid as you think it is, and ABC logic is against the debating template, which you're supposed to know.
Originally posted by jalek moye
He fought Hulk and Thing after losing his amp, and with one arm. If he had his full power, he would have punched right through them
He had both arms when he started fighting them though one of them had been cut at the wrist IIRC by Wolverine. After the battle it was torn off at the upper bicep.
Also, though this always causes controversy, Jurgens was asked in an interview about if it was normal Thor who fought Hulk and Thing or if he still had some Odinforce and he indicated that this Thor still had at least some Odinforce. You can take that as something that directly contradicts the story, something that clarifies the story, or whatever.
As for this fight I think WWH has a very decent shot at it, depending on what parts of continuity you want to emphasise (esp Jurgens stuff vs more recent JMS stuff). King Thor never looked that great against Rulk even early in the fight where i dont imagine much if any draining of the Odinpower had happened yet. In fact Rulk took his opening two handed Mjolnir smash to the face with a smile.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Woah woah woah (sweet child o mine!!!)So you're either saying Ms Marvel, frickin' War Machine, Spiderman, Reed and IW are more powerful than Savage Hulk????? Really???
Spiderman??? War Machine, the guy who has lasers and guns? The Reed that we saw in WWH (i.e. the Reed who doesn't pull out Galactus hurting weapons, but instead builds a love ray)??
All I saw was:
Originally posted by carver9
An amped Skaar and the entire Avengers that consisted of...Ms. Marvel
War Machine
Thing
Spiderman
Reed
Invisible Woman.These peeps are more powerful than Savage Hulk and Thing.
And:
Originally posted by carver9
WWH had people resembling/more powerful than those two in fear of even touching him. Then WWH told them right in their face that they can't stop him. [/B]
And:
Originally posted by carver9
Thing was on the team that I named and that version of Skaar would give Savage Hulk a HELL of a fight. I don't think Savage Hulk would have been awake from the first punch WWH withstood.
Nothing about Skaar-Hulk and Thing-Team matchups, but I guess you could argue that one had to read between the lines. But since you included Thing on the team list, then yes, Team incl. Ben > Ben on his own, hell, Aunt May+Ben would be more poweful physically than Ben on his own.....
Hence why I assumed it was Team>Savage Hulk, and the two Ben's cancelling each other out.
And no, I don't think I'm underestimating Rhodey's chances. Especially agaisnt Savage Hulk here.
Originally posted by carver9That was King Thor minus the Odinpower. King Thor also didn't just take on Hulk and he still came out on top while being depowered to classic levels and injured.
Being stronger. This version of Thor stalemated for hrs against Savage Hulk and Thing, WWH had people resembling/more powerful than those two in fear of even touching him. Then WWH told them right in their face that they can't stop him.
King Thor at full power killed Wolverine easily. WW Hulk had to hit him repeatedly to do anything.
King Thor also didn't have his war hammer at the time of the Hulk/Thing attack.
He has his war hammer and the odinforce.
King Thor can behead him any time he wants.
WW Hulk couldn't hold King Thor's jockstrap.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That was King Thor [B]minus the Odinpower. King Thor also didn't just take on Hulk and he still came out on top while being depowered to classic levels and injured.King Thor at full power killed Wolverine easily. WW Hulk had to hit him repeatedly to do anything.
King Thor also didn't have his war hammer at the time of the Hulk/Thing attack.
He has his war hammer and the odinforce.
King Thor can behead him any time he wants.
WW Hulk couldn't hold King Thor's jockstrap. [/B]
He wasn't depowered to his classic levels.
He blasted Wolverine...he didn't punch him. Blasting isn't allowed in this fight Quan.
King Thor got stalemated for hours by SH and Thing and lost an arm during the process. Wolverine also sliced him and after this, that arm was unusable and this happened when he had the OF.
Who has beheaded Hulk for you to think KT can? A high end Skyfather had to pound on Hulk to get him to stop fighting. Hes not beheading Hulk.
Hulk wins 7/10
Originally posted by carver9Thor minus the odinforce is his classic levels. Carver you have no idea what you're talking about as per the norm.
He wasn't depowered to his classic levels.He blasted Wolverine...he didn't punch him. Blasting isn't allowed in this fight Quan.
King Thor got stalemated for hours by SH and Thing and lost an arm during the process. Wolverine also sliced him and after this, that arm was unusable and this happened when he had the OF.
Who has beheaded Hulk for you to think KT can? A high end Skyfather had to pound on Hulk to get him to stop fighting. Hes not beheading Hulk.
Hulk wins 7/10
His hammer went through the Destroyer. His hammer is included in this fight, kiddo.
Quit repeating yourself he was minus the odinforce. This Thor isn't and minus the odinforce he'd still beat the snot out of WW Hulk.
The Destroyer is far more durable than WW Hulk. The friggin xmen were carving him up and the Sentry burned him out. Try actually knowing something that's why no one respects you.
King Thor stomps all Hulks ever created at the same time coming for him.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
He had both arms when he started fighting them though one of them had been cut at the wrist IIRC by Wolverine. After the battle it was torn off at the upper bicep.Also, though this always causes controversy, Jurgens was asked in an interview about if it was normal Thor who fought Hulk and Thing or if he still had some Odinforce and he indicated that this Thor still had at least some Odinforce. You can take that as something that directly contradicts the story, something that clarifies the story, or whatever.
As for this fight I think WWH has a very decent shot at it, depending on what parts of continuity you want to emphasise (esp Jurgens stuff vs more recent JMS stuff). King Thor never looked that great against Rulk even early in the fight where i dont imagine much if any draining of the Odinpower had happened yet. In fact Rulk took his opening two handed Mjolnir smash to the face with a smile.
Actually, the question Jurgens was asked included Wolverine and Thor still had access to the OP when he easily killed Wolverine.
As for Thor vs Hulk/Thing, the comic stated that Thor didn't have access to the OP when he killed them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor minus the odinforce is his classic levels. Carver you have no idea what you're talking about as per the norm.His hammer went through the Destroyer. His hammer is included in this fight, kiddo.
Quit repeating yourself he was minus the odinforce. This Thor isn't and minus the odinforce he'd still beat the snot out of WW Hulk.
The Destroyer is far more durable than WW Hulk. The friggin xmen were carving him up and the Sentry burned him out. Try actually knowing something that's why no one respects you.
King Thor stomps all Hulks ever created at the same time coming for him.
Thor still had some of the OF in him.
The Destroyer has been damaged so much that I am not impressed. Didn't.a weakened Hulk fight the Destroyer and ripped it to shreds? I think that did happen. Let me look to make sure.
Who did KT beat down with his fist when he had possession of the OF to make you think he could take out Hulk?
Damaging the Hulk isn't all that hard to do...its KEEPING him damage that is the hard ordeal. Keeping him from healing. That healing factor is insane.
Sentry didn't burn him out. His eyes proved this right after the fight. Wolverine cut KT arm off. WWH grabs KT arm and rip it off...hulk strength>>Adamantium.
WWH wins 7/10