Originally posted by Fifthchild
He had both arms when he started fighting them though one of them had been cut at the wrist IIRC by Wolverine. After the battle it was torn off at the upper bicep.Also, though this always causes controversy, Jurgens was asked in an interview about if it was normal Thor who fought Hulk and Thing or if he still had some Odinforce and he indicated that this Thor still had at least some Odinforce. You can take that as something that directly contradicts the story, something that clarifies the story, or whatever.
As for this fight I think WWH has a very decent shot at it, depending on what parts of continuity you want to emphasise (esp Jurgens stuff vs more recent JMS stuff). King Thor never looked that great against Rulk even early in the fight where i dont imagine much if any draining of the Odinpower had happened yet. In fact Rulk took his opening two handed Mjolnir smash to the face with a smile.
King Thor didn't fight Rulk it was Odinforce Thor after his relaunch.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor still had some of the OF in him.The Destroyer has been damaged so much that I am not impressed. Didn't.a weakened Hulk fight the Destroyer and ripped it to shreds? I think that did happen. Let me look to make sure.
Who did KT beat down with his fist when he had possession of the OF to make you think he could take out Hulk?
Damaging the Hulk isn't all that hard to do...its KEEPING him damage that is the hard ordeal. Keeping him from healing. That healing factor is insane.
Sentry didn't burn him out. His eyes proved this right after the fight. Wolverine cut KT arm off. WWH grabs KT arm and rip it off...hulk strength>>Adamantium.
WWH wins 7/10
Hulk had to enter the destroyer to wrestle control from Maestro. Prior to that Hulk was getting dog walked. King Thor 9/10.
Originally posted by carver9No, he didn't his access to the Odinforce was cut off. You have no basis for pretty much everything you say. You don't read these comics.
Thor still had some of the OF in him.The Destroyer has been damaged so much that I am not impressed. Didn't.a weakened Hulk fight the Destroyer and ripped it to shreds? I think that did happen. Let me look to make sure.
Who did KT beat down with his fist when he had possession of the OF to make you think he could take out Hulk?
Damaging the Hulk isn't all that hard to do...its KEEPING him damage that is the hard ordeal. Keeping him from healing. That healing factor is insane.
Sentry didn't burn him out. His eyes proved this right after the fight. Wolverine cut KT arm off. WWH grabs KT arm and rip it off...hulk strength>>Adamantium.
WWH wins 7/10
Hulk has been damaged far more often and by far weaker opponents than the Destroyer has. I mean the Sentry wrecked the WW Hulk's body. Wolverine was carving him up, etc.
King Thor is far more powerful and he has his hammer here. I don't need to cite fists alone since he has access to his hammer, kiddo. Sentry burned him out. Sentry exhausted his power. 😂
Yes, the Sentry did he needed further anger motivation and once that was done he did come back to be taken out by an Iron Man satellite.
King Thor stomps. Your ignorance isn't an excuse carver. You really don't read comics.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, he didn't his access to the Odinforce was cut off. You have no basis for pretty much everything you say. You don't read these comics.Hulk has been damaged far more often and by far weaker opponents than the Destroyer has. I mean the Sentry wrecked the WW Hulk's body. Wolverine was carving him up, etc.
King Thor is far more powerful and he has his hammer here. I don't need to cite fists alone since he has access to his hammer, kiddo. Sentry burned him out. Sentry exhausted his power. 😂
Yes, the Sentry did he needed further anger motivation and once that was done he did come back to be taken out by an Iron Man satellite.
King Thor stomps. Your ignorance isn't an excuse carver. You really don't read comics.
He had stored OF within him.
I know Hulk has been damaged...his healing factor is the hard thing to bypass. You might can bypass his durability but he healing factor is there to stitch him up immediately. KT doesn't have this luxury...thats why he got ripped through by Wolverine and his arm snatched off by Hulk and Thing.
A hammer toss isn't taking WWH out. WWH isn't the Destroyer armor, he is more formidable. I cant remember the last time the Destroyer actually got a win over someone. It's usually a punching bag or a display to show how powerful someone is.
Do you know what "burned out" mean? If Hulk was BURNED OUT, no matter what would have taken place, he still would not have been capable of going to his WWH levels immediately. Look up the word "burned out" before using it since he clearly wasn't BURNED OUT. You are terrible at this Quan.
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Hulk lost to a prepped Satelite by Reed, Tony, and Strange...I'm not mad.at that since he allowed it to happen and since it took some of the most powerful brains on the planet to put something together to stop Hulk when everything else failed. KT didnt allow Wolverine to slice his hand off of Thing and Hulk to rip his arm off, it just happened.
KT loses 7/10 by someone that has crushed Uru and ripped adamantium to shreds and bust High Heralds face open with a single punch.
Originally posted by carver9It was cut off from him. That means he had nothing in him since it was cut off. Nothing supports your theory but then again this is par for the carver course.
He had stored OF within him.I know Hulk has been damaged...his healing factor is the hard thing to bypass. You might can bypass his durability but he healing factor is there to stitch him up immediately. KT doesn't have this luxury...thats why he got ripped through by Wolverine and his arm snatched off by Hulk and Thing.
A hammer toss isn't taking WWH out. WWH isn't the Destroyer armor, he is more formidable. I cant remember the last time the Destroyer actually got a win over someone. It's usually a punching bag or a display to show how powerful someone is.
Do you know what "burned out" mean? If Hulk was BURNED OUT, no matter what would have taken place, he still would not have been capable of going to his WWH levels immediately. Look up the word "burned out" before using it since he clearly wasn't BURNED OUT. You are terrible at this Quan.
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Hulk lost to a prepped Satelite by Reed, Tony, and Strange...I'm not mad.at that since he allowed it to happen and since it took some of the most powerful brains on the planet to put something together to stop Hulk when everything else failed. KT didnt allow Wolverine to slice his hand off of Thing and Hulk to rip his arm off, it just happened.
KT loses 7/10 by someone that has crushed Uru and ripped adamantium to shreds and bust High Heralds face open with a single punch.
King Thor didn't lose his arm until after his Odinforce was cut off. He killed Wolverine easily and at classic levels beat the life from the Hulk and the Thing.
To even suggest WW Hulk is more formidable than the Destroyer armor especially coupled with someone immune to godly energies is one of the more stupid things you've said in a while.
WW Hulk was burned out until he got angry again. He needed an outside event to trigger the emotion called anger. Look anger up you seem to struggle with simple words but then again you're just a simple man.
Wolverine didn't slice his arm off reread or I should say just read the arc. We both know you didn't. Last week you didn't even know who King Thor was.
When did WW Hulk crush uru ? King Thor slagged the Destroyer with someone occupying it immune to godly energies.
Have a little self respect carver from now on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It was cut off from him. That means he had nothing in him since it was cut off. Nothing supports your theory but then again this is par for the carver course.King Thor didn't lose his arm until after his Odinforce was cut off. He killed Wolverine easily and at classic levels beat the life from the Hulk and the Thing.
To even suggest WW Hulk is more formidable than the Destroyer armor especially coupled with someone immune to godly energies is one of the more stupid things you've said in a while.
WW Hulk was burned out until he got angry again. He needed an outside event to trigger the emotion called anger. Look anger up you seem to struggle with simple words but then again you're just a simple man.
Wolverine didn't slice his arm off reread or I should say just read the arc. We both know you didn't. Last week you didn't even know who King Thor was.
When did WW Hulk crush uru ? King Thor slagged the Destroyer with someone occupying it immune to godly energies.
Have a little self respect carver from now on.
Everything supports my argument.
He got his hand cut off by Wolverine and then got his arm snatched off by Hulk and Thing. This wouldn't have happened to WWH.
A weakened Hulk stalemated Maestro in the Destroyer armor. I'm not impressed with the Destroyer armor.
If WWH was BURNED out Quan, no matter what would have happened, he would be incapable of reverting back to Hulk. Learn what burn out mean. Him turning to WWH and staying like that and even getting more powerful than any previous incarnation proves he was not burned out. Come on Quan, use that noggin of yours. I'll get the definition of burned out for you...one sec.
Lol...I've always knew who KT was/is...you just out words in my mouth like you tend to do. KT loses 7/10 against a weaker Hulk than WBH.
Hulk grabs KT hammer and crumbles it and then grab him and rip him up like he did adamantium.
Originally posted by carver9Nothing does. It isn't exclusive to this thread either.
Everything supports my argument.He got his hand cut off by Wolverine and then got his arm snatched off by Hulk and Thing. This wouldn't have happened to WWH.
A weakened Hulk stalemated Maestro in the Destroyer armor. I'm not impressed with the Destroyer armor.
If WWH was BURNED out Quan, no matter what would have happened, he would be incapable of reverting back to Hulk. Learn what burn out mean. Him turning to WWH and staying like that and even getting more powerful than any previous incarnation proves he was not burned out. Come on Quan, use that noggin of yours. I'll get the definition of burned out for you...one sec.
Lol...I've always knew who KT was/is...you just out words in my mouth like you tend to do. KT loses 7/10 against a weaker Hulk than WBH.
Hulk grabs KT hammer and crumbles it and then grab him and rip him up like he did adamantium.
He never loses his arm until after he fights the Hulk and the Thing minus the Odinforce. Read the arc.
Due to using it's own power against it not going to happen against the destroyer armor with Desak in it. Desak would crush any Hulk ever conceived either.
Hulk needed rage to reignite. Without that event he was stuck in human form.
King Thor's power is far beyond anything we've seen from any Hulk let alone one who failed to even really harm the Ghost Rider or Juggernaut.
Saying stupid things like he crumbles Thor's hammer is why you're a child. You just say silly things you dream up in your head.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nothing does. It isn't exclusive to this thread either.He never loses his arm until after he fights the Hulk and the Thing minus the Odinforce. Read the arc.
Due to using it's own power against it not going to happen against the destroyer armor with Desak in it. Desak would crush any Hulk ever conceived either.
Hulk needed rage to reignite. Without that event he was stuck in human form.
King Thor's power is far beyond anything we've seen from any Hulk let alone one who failed to even really harm the Ghost Rider or Juggernaut.
Saying stupid things like he crumbles Thor's hammer is why you're a child. You just say silly things you dream up in your head.
Wolverine had him holding his arm after slicing him.
I'm not impressed with the Destroyer and Hulk stalemated the Destroyer that was powered by Maestro.
Lol...Hulk knocked GR out...lol. Hulk bfred Juggernaut.
Hulk wasn't burned out during the Sentry fight which was proof when he turned back to WWH the next panel.
Hulk has crushed Uru with his hands. Not childish when.this has happened.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Actually, the question Jurgens was asked included Wolverine and Thor still had access to the OP when he easily killed Wolverine.
Heres the question and answer:
"RC: Take the recent Thor fight against Hulk, Wolverine, Thing and other Marvel characters-wherein Thor absolutely dominates his competition. People want to know . . . how the hell did Thor pull that off? Did he have the Odin-power at the time?
DAN JURGENS: It was still an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be."
I think its pretty obvious that the question is asking about the Hulk/Thing vs Thor bit - it doesnt make sense otherwise. Why would we wonder if Thor had the Odinpower before Dr Strange supposedly took it away? You can disagree with what Jurgens is saying here, or say it doesnt count given what the book shows but trying to make out that when he says "It was still an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be." he was only talking about when he fought Wolverine just doesnt fly.
As for Thor vs Hulk/Thing, the comic stated that Thor didn't have access to the OP when he killed them.
In the comic Dr Strange says "The OdinPower...is no longer yours".
Its possible that Thor was prevented from using the OdinPower offensively as he had against Wolverine but it still boosted his stats. Thor said he would have been killed by one of Bors blows if he didnt have the OdinPower at the time. Alternatively it may have just dampened, rather than totally removed Thors access to it. Or you could just view it as Jurgens contradicting himself.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Wolverine being able to cut Thor means what here?Why aren't you impressed with the Destroyer?
He thunderclapped GR, and then Zarathos took over, which would have resulted in a very different outcome if he decided Hulk was guilty.
King Thor would merc Sentry.
Classic Thor's crushed Uru, too.
I'm doing what Quan doing, bring up damage fts.
The Destroyer is a title...nothing more.
Hulk beat GR by pummeling him into the ground. We don't know how Hulk would have dealt with the real GR since his hellfire couldn't damage Hulk.
I agree, KT would merc sentry.
A carved Uru...not the same.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Heres the question and answer:"RC: Take the recent Thor fight against Hulk, Wolverine, Thing and other Marvel characters-wherein Thor absolutely dominates his competition. People want to know . . . how the hell did Thor pull that off? Did he have the Odin-power at the time?
DAN JURGENS: It was still an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be."
I think its pretty obvious that the question is asking about the Hulk/Thing vs Thor bit - it doesnt make sense otherwise. Why would we wonder if Thor had the Odinpower before Dr Strange supposedly took it away? You can disagree with what Jurgens is saying here, or say it doesnt count given what the book shows but trying to make out that when he says "It was [B]still
an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be." he was only talking about when he fought Wolverine just doesnt fly.In the comic Dr Strange says "The OdinPower...is no longer yours".
Its possible that Thor was prevented from using the OdinPower offensively as he had against Wolverine but it still boosted his stats. Thor said he would have been killed by one of Bors blows if he didnt have the OdinPower at the time. Alternatively it may have just dampened, rather than totally removed Thors access to it. Or you could just view it as Jurgens contradicting himself. [/B]
Thor's physical prowess is the result of his birth from Odin and Gaea. That had nothing to do with the Odin Force. The Odin Force being removed stopped Thor from using his eyebeams of death, his preferred method of dispatching the heroes sent to stop him. Jurgens stating he still had the Odin Force is likely just meaning that yes, Thor still possessed the energy, but was unable to utilize it thanks to the amulet Strange placed on him. In any case, said statement does contradict what's shown in the comics if we assume that Thor still had x% of Odin Force left over, which was what allowed him to beat Hulk and Thing. Looking at his classic levels of strength and durability, I have no reason to doubt that Thor could beat the both of them. Thing would have likely been killed early on as he's really no match for Thor on any level, leaving the majority of the fight to be between Hulk and Thor. Considering Thor was defending his family and kingdom and was pissed beyond belief, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Thor, after hours of extending combat, could finally beat the Hulk.
In any case, whether he had the Odin Force or not and to what degree is inconsequential to this fight. With the Odin Force, King Thor, even relegated to only melee fighting with Mjolnir, is beyond WWH.
Originally posted by Fifthchild
Heres the question and answer:"RC: Take the recent Thor fight against Hulk, Wolverine, Thing and other Marvel characters-wherein Thor absolutely dominates his competition. People want to know . . . how the hell did Thor pull that off? Did he have the Odin-power at the time?
DAN JURGENS: It was still an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be."
I think its pretty obvious that the question is asking about the Hulk/Thing vs Thor bit - it doesnt make sense otherwise. Why would we wonder if Thor had the Odinpower before Dr Strange supposedly took it away? You can disagree with what Jurgens is saying here, or say it doesnt count given what the book shows but trying to make out that when he says "It was [B]still
an Odin-powered Thor. It had to be." he was only talking about when he fought Wolverine just doesnt fly.In the comic Dr Strange says "The OdinPower...is no longer yours".
Its possible that Thor was prevented from using the OdinPower offensively as he had against Wolverine but it still boosted his stats. Thor said he would have been killed by one of Bors blows if he didnt have the OdinPower at the time. Alternatively it may have just dampened, rather than totally removed Thors access to it. Or you could just view it as Jurgens contradicting himself. [/B]
The book never states or implies that Thor retained any of the OF.
