Ron Paul choice of the troops march on the white house

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I dont use Wikipedia unless its some sort of wikia for a game. stoned

There is a difference between watching interviews on youtube and the tv? NO way. You mean I have to be there in person right next to the guys while they interview and discuss topics and debates instead of watching in from youtube? No WAY

given your own admitted distrust of the American media, I don't see why you would think substantive political discourse would come out of the interviews anyways...

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Just showing my right to bear arms my friend. What good is a gun without a nice stack of ammo? We live in a dangerous world, its fact, not paranoia.

do you live in a dangerous world, or does your living style make the world dangerous?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

since you don't read wiki, let me explain, deaths by firearm are twice that of Canada in America, with over 4 times as many homicides and nearly twice as many suicides. But sure, guns make you safe. What a valuable right you have.

God I love your constitution. There is never anything I could accomplish in my life that would be as damaging to America as people's blind dedication to a piece of paper. most. perfect. document. ever.

Originally posted by inimalist
given your own admitted distrust of the American media, I don't see why you would think substantive political discourse would come out of the interviews anyways...

Originally posted by inimalist
do you live in a dangerous world, or does your living style make the world dangerous?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

since you don't read wiki, let me explain, deaths by firearm are twice that of Canada in America, with over 4 times as many homicides and nearly twice as many suicides. But sure, guns make you safe. What a valuable right you have.

God I love your constitution. There is never anything I could accomplish in my life that would be as damaging to America as people's blind dedication to a piece of paper. most. perfect. document. ever.

ooo wikipedia.

What is your point and what do you suggest? My owning a firearm makes the world more dangerous? Nope. But me not owning a firearm would prevent me from protecting myself.

Its actually not a perfect document. We were probably better off under the articles of confederation.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Uh. You dont care about politics yet you keep coming in here to discuss it. How is that being an elitist? If I dont care about religion i stay out of the religion forum. Are you just trying to argue? Lol

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Your opinion based off what? You claim there are differences then you later on stated that you dont even know enough to know if there are any because you're into religion, not politics.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
If you pay close attention you'll notice that I didn't.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
I cant see how you can trust any political opinion seeing how you dont seem to know jack shit about politics period. Explain how Ive been radical and please state anything I have said that isnt true when discussing Obama and Romney.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
You like Romney because I don't like Romney. Do you not see how ****ing retarded that is? haermm

Originally posted by Mairuzu
At least I know now not to take you serious anymore lol. You're being a complete fool now.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Long enough? I dont see what this has to do with anything.

Oh god, Why do i bother

Originally posted by Mairuzu
You must have not seen the abudant amount of Paul interviews.

not particularly, no

though, this is unsurprising as I don't really consider such things research or interesting

Originally posted by Mairuzu
What is your point

the second amendment does far, far, far more harm than good. any politician who puts the second amendment above pragmatic policy, constitution or no, is terrible

Originally posted by Mairuzu
and what do you suggest?

re-interpreting the second amendment such that you can institute even a modicum of gun control, maybe to bring your murder rate down to the level of Costa Rica, Slovakia or Peru.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Its actually not a perfect document. We were probably better off under the articles of confederation.

then... then how could you possibly support someone who says ending slavery might not have been a good idea because it may have violated slave-holders property rights? Why re-negotiate civil rights as state issues, if you aren't beholden to the document?

Like... wtf? "we need to follow the constitution when it will lead to the oppression of blacks, gays and women (in line with Christian doctrine [sic]), but in other things, you know, it wasn't perfect. but **** them queers and women, and especially them blacks".

Like, being willing to abandon the constitution when it is wrong seems 100% antithetical to your own expressed positions and to Paul's expressed opinions.

Originally posted by inimalist
God I love your constitution. There is never anything I could accomplish in my life that would be as damaging to America as people's blind dedication to a piece of paper. most. perfect. document. ever.

I believe you were the one who repurposed Jefferson's quote that "The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants." to refer to the constitution.

What I've never understood about the people who worship the Constitution is why they're ever opposed to the rulings of the Supreme Court about what it means.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I believe you were the one who repurposed Jefferson's quote that "The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants." to refer to the constitution.

I wouldn't take credit for it, it is basically the same idea as "the constitution isn't a suicide pact", but basically, ya, I feel the constitution simply replaces a king with an unchanging document. That almost makes being a "constitutionalist" closer to being a "theocrat" than someone who provides policy options.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What I've never understood about the people who worship the Constitution is why they're ever opposed to the rulings of the Supreme Court about what it means.

they'd need some standard though, wouldn't they? I mean, the other option would be different groups arguing amongst themselves, basically becoming sects. Actually, it wouldn't surprise me if such groups exist, just because of how splintered they would be, they would get very little exposure.

Hey, this is a little off topic, but does anyone know if it would still be called a referendum if you had a system where propositions forwarded by a chief executive were voted on by an electorate of representatives chosen by the populace? Or is it only referendum when it's direct voting?

Originally posted by Mairuzu

Just showing my right to bear arms my friend. What good is a gun without a nice stack of ammo? We live in a dangerous world, its fact, not paranoia.

You must not understand what Pauls movement is about then. Already, his supporters are taking spots in their local offices. Its much bigger than the election. Spreading brushfires of liberty in the minds of man stoned

But if you dont like liberty and you dont like freedom and if you love being the wage slave that you are. Ignore Paul stoned

Sounds paranoid-ish to me.

And I said "enjoy your rebellion", so clearly I do.

Perfect, so if I'm not all over Ron Paul, I'm therefore against liberty,freedom and love being a "wage slave" (cos Ron Paul will make me not need a job/source of income or possibly I'll be my own boss. Go Ron Paul!). Excellent reasoning and not at all linear.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hey, this is a little off topic, but does anyone know if it would still be called a referendum if you had a system where propositions forwarded by a chief executive were voted on by an electorate of representatives chosen by the populace? Or is it only referendum when it's direct voting?

I think it would depend most on how the representatives were chosen. If they were simply the people who showed up with no limit in number, it would probably be a referendum. Otherwise it seems like more of a representational thing, which I think is mutually exclusive with the idea of a referendum.

The whole idea originated in Rome apparently, but I'm not sure if all people were part of the plebeian council or if it was some series of representatives, or how relevant that is to modern definitions anyways.

Originally posted by inimalist
I think it would depend most on how the representatives were chosen. If they were simply the people who showed up with no limit in number, it would probably be a referendum. Otherwise it seems like more of a representational thing, which I think is mutually exclusive with the idea of a referendum.

The whole idea originated in Rome apparently, but I'm not sure if all people were part of the plebeian council or if it was some series of representatives, or how relevant that is to modern definitions anyways.

At the end of every year a referendum would come up where the electorate would vote whether to reinstate the King for another year or not. Electors would have reelections every six months, which wouldn't be much of a problem considering they'd represent small sections of the populace (several thousand people at most).

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The main issue with anyone who would want to stop American interventionism cold turkey isn't that our "enemies" would gain a second wind and take the fight to us,

I agree with your point, here. I "hear" the experts say that the "fights" would almost stop and the reasons for their Jihads would almost completely cease.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Oh god, Why do i bother

Voting for Ron Paul?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Voting for Ron Paul?

what are you talking about? He might not get in office because the establishment and mainstream media are going to pull out everything to try and keep him out in the fact they fear him getting in.

They are ignoing him constantly and editing out the appluse he gets from his crowds.The are making up lies trying to slander him saying he has dropped out which is complete B.S. He might not get in,but at least he caes about his country.any TRUE american would vote for him.

I dont know about you,but i hate living in this police state we live in losing more and more of our freedoms and liberites all the time with all these candidates getting elected that dont believe in the constitution and more interested in serving Israel and wall street instead of us who spit on the constitution and have the mindset WE should serve the government lije we do now instead of the government serving us like they are suppose to. thats why he is voting for ron paul.it may not do any good but someones got to try and change things and he is our only hope of that ever happeing at the moment.wakey wakey.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
what are you talking about? He might not get in office because the establishment and mainstream media are going to pull out everything to try and keep him out in the fact they fear him getting in.

They are ignoing him constantly and editing out the appluse he gets from his crowds.The are making up lies trying to slander him saying he has dropped out which is complete B.S. He might not get in,but at least he caes about his country.any TRUE american would vote for him.

I dont know about you,but i hate living in this police state we live in losing more and more of our freedoms and liberites all the time with all these candidates getting elected that dont believe in the constitution and more interested in serving Israel and wall street instead of us who spit on the constitution and have the mindset WE should serve the government lije we do now instead of the government serving us like they are suppose to. thats why he is voting for ron paul.it may not do any good but someones got to try and change things and he is our only hope of that ever happeing at the moment.wakey wakey.

Ron Paul is toast.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
This is not a political forum. This is a general discussion forum. Debate is the point of this forum.

Generally: I wasn’t talking about a particular opinion.
You can’t play both sides of the street. It is meaningless.

Then it was stupid. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I have the feeling you can’t see a lot of things.
I can’t post all of your posts. :-)

I never said I liked Romney. I’ve never met him.

You seem to thank anyone who disagrees with you is a fool. I’m feel sorry for you.

There is the theoretical and then there is reality. I live in reality.

HE cant see things? He isnt the one ignoring the evidence and facts that most posters here do that all the canidates except paul are here to serve wall street and israel instead of us. 🙄 anyone who cant see that fact about Paul IS a fool. 🙄

why do you think Obamas and Romneys crowds have such tiny turnouts where Pauls are packed to the capacity? There is a huge awakening going on and those americans are patriots.They are true americans who care about this country we live in and want their country back
and realise that at the moment Paul is our only chance of steering towards the right direction.you want to be a slave to the establishment and keep giving them your money they steal from you?

glad you like being a slave to the system and enjoy losing more and more freedoms and liberties all the time and enjoy this police state we live.I personally hate it and hate the government stealing MY money I make.If you love that and you enjoy living in this police state we live in and want to keep living in it then there is something seriously wrong with you.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
HE cant see things? He isnt the one ignoring the evidence and facts that most posters here do that all the canidates except paul are here to serve wall street and israel instead of us. 🙄 anyone who cant see that fact about Paul IS a fool. 🙄

why do you think Obamas and Romneys crowds have such tiny turnouts where Pauls are packed to the capacity? There is a huge awakening going on and those americans are patriots.They are true americans who care about this country we live in and want their country backand realise that at the momentPaul is our only chance of steering towards the right direction.you want to be a slave to the establishment and keep giving them your money they steal from you?

glad you like being a slave to the system and enjoy losing more and more freedoms and liberties all the time and enjoy this police state we live.I personally hate it and hate the government stealing MY money I make.If you love that and you enjoy living in this police state we live in and want to keep living in it then there is something seriously wrong with you.

I don't know why you guys are so obsessed over Ron Paul. He is not going to be the president of the USA. Get over it already. He is not going to win, and it has nothing to do with corruption. He lost, ok? I know you are disappointed.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

Probably the most condescending post Ive seen so far haermm

Havent you heard? having a conversation with Robtard on politics is about as effective as trying to paint a house and get it done that day with just using your tongue. 🙄 You would have better luck trying to get through a new born baby.I gave up on him years ago.