Jesus

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yes, I like the Mormon perspective on this. In fact, I thought this was throughout the whole Christian denomination- the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost.

Some evangelicals do. However, the New Testament makes it quite clear that the Gift of the Holy Ghost had to be given by one having authority.

Acts 8:12-24

12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19 Saying, Give me also this apower, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.

21 Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

22 Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

23 For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.

24 Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

So it would appear that the Holy Ghost had to be conferred upon people. Mormons distinguish this as "the Gift of the Holy Ghost."

We also see that Phillip had the authority to baptize in the name of God, but did not have the authority to confer the Holy Ghost because he called for the Apostles to give the Holy Ghost.

Mormons break up the priesthood into two main portions:

Aaronic Priesthood
Melchizedek Priesthood.

They, of course, have a much longer regular name, each. But we do not call them by those names to avoid the repetition of God's and Christ's names..out of respect.

So, Phillip had the Aaronic Priesthood which is authority to baptize in the name of God. But he did not have the higher priesthood.

So he called for the apostles who had the Melchizedek priesthood.

The tribe of Levi held the Aaronic priesthood. It is called the Aaronic Priesthood after Aaron, Moses' brother.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Just to make sure, Holy ghost and Holy Spirit are the same thing, right? Just a different name?

Yup, you are correct.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
We all have prejudices, of course. Even if we claim otherwise. Therefore, practising compassion and non-judgemental attitude isn't something random Jesus was all up on. He knew and understood and preached how conflict or fitna (I know it's an Arabic term, but it fits here so well) can be avoided for the benefit of all.

Therefore, any fitna that arises between people should in fact, not ever come from Christians if they are to truly follow and understand the words of Jesus.
His philosophy was a lot more complex than ''I am the Son of God'', despite what many would like to believe.

Okay, where is Lil B and who is this Pastor imposter posting with your account. 😐

But, yes, ditto to everything. Even the secular world can benefit from some of Christ's teachings.

That's something everyone overlooks. To most people, either God is nothing but love, or He's nothing but wrath. Neither viewpoint is true. God is balanced. He loves all of us, but He hates sin. Homosexuality is a sin. So those idiots that say "God hates homos" are just that: idiots. But that doesn't mean God is a-ok with homosexuality.

Strong claims about the omnipotent one, regard that his only law, evolution, is often disregarded. It rewards adultery, cheating and perpetuates what you'd call sinful behavior, even in animals homosexuality occurs.

Ask when a MAN's claims contradict PHYSICAL LAW, reality, they CONTRADICT THE ONE TRUE GOD. Your claims contradict God's own laws, so they stand to break, for that which contradicts truth can be founded on nothing but lies, and an edifice of lies crumbles when faced with the sword of truth. Nothing is but TRUTH, and TRUTH cannot be denied, it can only be embraced.

It's just like someone who designs a computer program. They have a vested interest in the way that program is used and what it's used for.

People tend to overlook many things about Jesus himself.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
...I wonder if some secret code or text was found showing Jesus to be gay himself, what would christian's do?

There is one of the gnostic text that strongly suggests that. However, I can't remember which one.

Originally posted by En Sabah Nur X
Strong claims about the omnipotent one, regard that his only law, evolution, is often disregarded. It rewards adultery, cheating and perpetuates what you'd call sinful behavior, even in animals homosexuality occurs.

Ask when a MAN's claims contradict PHYSICAL LAW, reality, they CONTRADICT THE ONE TRUE GOD. Your claims contradict God's own laws, so they stand to break, for that which contradicts truth can be founded on nothing but lies, and an edifice of lies crumbles when faced with the sword of truth. Nothing is but TRUTH, and TRUTH cannot be denied, it can only be embraced.

If the program speaks one way, if physical laws say one thing, and man comments in contradiction, than man errs in his comments... and his religious comments have to be swallowed or taken back.

I wonder if some secret code or text was found showing Jesus to be gay himself, what would christian's do?

Which would mean what exactly in terms of philosophies? If Jesus was gay, what then?
Freud was a coke addict. Changes accomplished: 0.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Which would mean what exactly in terms of philosophies? If Jesus was gay, what then?
Freud was a coke addict. Changes accomplished: 0.

It means nothing to us, but just imagine what that would do to a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It means nothing to us, but just imagine what that would do to a fundamentalist Christian or Muslim.

Noone would believe it anyway.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Noone would believe it anyway.

It would explain a lot.

If Jesus was gay, that's okay. It does not appear that he acted on that and remained celibate.

IMO, that's unreasonable for most people as most people lack the self-control to not act on those urges. Some say that the atonement is there to pick up the slack. Well, okay, I guess. It just seems there's a better way.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
It would explain a lot.

Originally posted by Mindship
Certainly why Mary didn't know how to love him, what to do, how to move him...

I had an old 70's song pop into my head, but I can't remember the name. 😠